AMD to show fusion tomorrow

[alyarb]

Llano is kind of the perfect device for apple. Earlier I was wondering why enthusiasts would want such a halfway solution.

 

[Triskain]

Earlier I was wondering why enthusiasts would want such a halfway solution.

They don't and they aren't supposed to. Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge on Socket R are what the enthusiasts will want. Neither AMD nor Intel target their "Fusion" - Solutions at the high-end market.

 

[Idontcare]

AMD wants the future to be fusion but plan on getting there by not targeting the high-end?

Now there's a plan only an Itanium project manager could love :wub:

 

[Triskain]

It is impossible to target the high-end with Fusion right away because of die-size and power constraints.
Also, you need a software environment first, before you can do anything fancy with that GPU. That alone will probably take at least five years until it has really arrived and is mainstream.

 

[alyarb]

enthusiast was definitely the wrong word. Llano is in an awkward position, though. the "midrange" segment is going to become less important as the 10-watt parts begin to encroach on their territory. those stupid all-in-ones and iMacs are good starting points though. so far Llano is sounding like a sidegrade compared to arrandale with a superfluously large IGP. nobody needs 480 shaders unless they're gaming, but if you're gaming you want at least 640 shaders and fast RAM. It's just an awkward little chip especially without a vector ISA for the shaders.

i'm particularly skeptical about the power claims. they have quoted both high frequencies and a 59W tdp, meaning they would need a huge reduction in power consumption compared to propus. HKMG can account for some of this, but all of it?

 

[grimpr]

Design wins and millions of fusion chips in mobile devices flooding the market will help the company create the ecosystem necessary for further expansion. OpenCL and DirectCompute just got a *lot* more serious with developers.

 

[alyarb]

design wins for what? no one is making any tablets or phones or netbooks with Llano. and who wants to buy a game console in 2012 that can only play games at 720p? I think bobcat will have better adoption than llano but I don't see bobcat bolstering Llano sales.

Llano is for midrange notebooks and integrated desktops and it is neither low power nor high performance so it had better be damn cheap if there is going to be a "flood."

maybe apple will do a mini ITX HTPC.

 

[VirtualLarry]

design wins for what? no one is making any tablets or phones or netbooks with Llano. and who wants to buy a game console in 2012 that can only play games at 720p?

Llano is for midrange notebooks and integrated desktops and it is neither low power nor high performance so it had better be damn cheap if there is going to be a "flood."

maybe apple will do a mini ITX HTPC.

I think that you will see HPs at Staples with this chip inside of it. (Desktop PC I mean.)