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AMD to migrate all desktop CPUs to Socket M2

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EndGame

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Looks like 939 will be shorter lived than I had hoped. Going to need new ram to boot....


AMD to migrate all desktop CPUs to Socket M2, server CPUs to Socket F in 2006

Charles Chou, Taipei; Jessie Shen, DigiTimes.com [Monday 9 May 2005]


After Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) introduces its Socket M2 platform next year, all of its desktop processors, including single- and dual-core platforms, will adopt the 90nm M2 socket design, according to Taiwan PC and server makers that reviewed the latest AMD roadmap.

Despite motherboard makers originally expecting the M2 platform to use a 1,207-pin architecture, the M2 socket will be a 940-pin platform, the makers indicated. It will be AMD?s Socket F architecture that will feature a 1,207-pin design, the makers added. Socket F will be introduced early next year as well, and will be used for AMD?s Opteron lineup, except for the 100 series, which will migrate to the M2 platform, the makers explained.

Socket M2 and Socket F processors will both support dual-channel DDR2 memory, customers of AMD in Taiwan indicated. The move toward M2 and Socket F is expected to accelerate the industry?s migration from DDR to DDR2, the makers commented.

 
Aw. That's gonna mean more waiting for me. Settle on a socket, for once. And don't follow Intel. Please? 😛
 
Great (not!). I just bought a socket 939, and was hoping to upgrade to dual core in a year or two. I went with AMD rather than INTEL to avoid this crap. Next computer I get ain't gonna be an AMD. Hell, what advantage is 940 pins going to have over 939 pins!!! And I thought that A64's weren't even approaching a RAM bandwidth bottle neck, so why goto DDR2?!

Didn't first 64FX's run on 940 pins?

RoD
 
Originally posted by: rod
Great (not!). I just bought a socket 939, and was hoping to upgrade to dual core in a year or two. I went with AMD rather than INTEL to avoid this crap. Next computer I get ain't gonna be an AMD. Hell, what advantage is 940 pins going to have over 939 pins!!! And I thought that A64's weren't even approaching a RAM bandwidth bottle neck, so why goto DDR2?!

Didn't first 64FX's run on 940 pins?

RoD
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Simmer down rod 😀 the advantages of skt940 include multiple sockets, independent memory addressing, NUMA with supporting OS, the ability to populate more ram, PCI-X, integrated SCSI.

Yes, FX was skt940 because it is basically the same chip with unlocked multis and disabled coherent link. Seeing as X2 won't be out in numbers for months I'd say 939 is still a great upgrade path, don't see the 4800+ performance being weak for the next couple years. Heck, I was running skt754@2.4ghz 18months ago, and that is still plenty of performance for the desktop right now 😉


 
Ahhh, more validation for why I settled on my s754 system. I like the current s939 offerings and I have been tempted to migrate, but a quiet doubt kept me from doing it. I've been saying all along that I wanted to wait until Q2 of 2006 to upgrade to my next AMD system and it looks like I'll have lots to choose from.

I'm really excited about how the CPU/chipset market is going these days. Both Intel and AMD are showing lots of innovation and this is going to benefit us all no matter which kind of fanboy you are. :beer:
 
What are you guys whining about?? This has been known for months that switching to a DDR2 or DDR3 controller was coming and it would likely have to implement a new socket scheme.....fact vis the X2's will likely scale to 2.6-2.8ghz models on the X2's, Fx's will hit 59 at least, etc....We are talking about almost a year before those chips come out and then only the bleedin egde will need them and you whiners will find another reason not to upgrade..."something else is around the corner!!!".....You guys can sit back and wait then...I will have had my sckt 939 board for a 16 months by then and still likely to keep it for another 4 months after the new socket comes out.....

I have had Intels for the last 3 years and I can never say I did that......


Intel in less then a year went for 3 new sockets.....Some who bought early enough may have there sckt 939s for near 18-20 months....

 
Originally posted by: nycdude
So much for "Futureproofing". 😉 LOL

... and I just picked up a 939 MB too. 🙁
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Came on, you buy a X2 and hit 2.7ghz, do you really think you will neeed another CPU in the next 24-36months? I don't. If you do, then you are in a time=money situation that will pay you back upgrading again 🙂

 
Originally posted by: mrc777
hope they won't introduce another kind of socket after the release of the m2 and f
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What the hell are you talking about? Of course they will, what do you want, one socket to rule them all for eternity? They and Intel will continue to improve their cpus and when they reach a wall where they need a new socket in order to continue, they will do so. You have to remember that the computer industry is not built around do it yourselfers like us, it is built aroud the millions of pcs per day sold by the OEMs and they really dont care what socket it uses because they sell a complete solution. When cars move to alternative fuel, are you gonna be the person screaming "Dammit! I was gonna upgrade my gasoline engine in three years!"
 
I dont necessarily think a die shrinkage to 65nm will require a socket change so basically if the go DDR2 with the M2 design expect one when they go to DDR3 and if and when they go to quad cores they need more pins for more HTT links or what not....I imagine this M2 can hold for a year but then they will migrate to DDR3 rather quickly and will likely need a different sckt pin count....
 
Originally posted by: Vegitto
I hope this integrated SCSI rumor is true. Oh, the joy of a 15K RPM HD 😀.
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Clarification please. SCSI is already intergrated on some skt940 boards, if that is what you were after 🙂

 
Originally posted by: Duvie
I dont necessarily think a die shrinkage to 65nm will require a socket change so basically if the go DDR2 with the M2 design expect one when they go to DDR3 and if and when they go to quad cores they need more pins for more HTT links or what not....I imagine this M2 can hold for a year but then they will migrate to DDR3 rather quickly and will likely need a different sckt pin count....
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Last I checked DDR3 was nothing more than low-power DDR2. The socket afaik is identical.
 
Originally posted by: rgreen83
Originally posted by: mrc777
hope they won't introduce another kind of socket after the release of the m2 and f
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What the hell are you talking about? Of course they will, what do you want, one socket to rule them all for eternity? They and Intel will continue to improve their cpus and when they reach a wall where they need a new socket in order to continue, they will do so. You have to remember that the computer industry is not built around do it yourselfers like us, it is built aroud the millions of pcs per day sold by the OEMs and they really dont care what socket it uses because they sell a complete solution. When cars move to alternative fuel, are you gonna be the person screaming "Dammit! I was gonna upgrade my gasoline engine in three years!"
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sorry...guess i didnt say exactly what i meant...
i mean i hope they won't introduce a series of sockets one after the other like the 940-754-939 and now the m2 and f before the socket dies...
 
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: Duvie
I dont necessarily think a die shrinkage to 65nm will require a socket change so basically if the go DDR2 with the M2 design expect one when they go to DDR3 and if and when they go to quad cores they need more pins for more HTT links or what not....I imagine this M2 can hold for a year but then they will migrate to DDR3 rather quickly and will likely need a different sckt pin count....
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Last I checked DDR3 was nothing more than low-power DDR2. The socket afaik is identical.
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I think it may be a bit more then that, but I wouldn't refute it...I linked a good article a few weeks back that explained some more of the differences.....

DDR3 will have higher latencies but likely much faster speed and thus more bandwidth....Maybe if AMD can say ( a few days ago) that they will make the cores 500ddr cabable (250) with a bios change then maybe a bios change can set the timings and vdimm accordingly if the board allows....

I still think it is a bit more then that simplified....
 
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHERClarification please. SCSI is already intergrated on some skt940 boards, if that is what you were after 🙂
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IntEgrated. No extra R. Thank you very much.

SCSI is much better done on PCI-X or (soon) PCI-Express 4x links than on plain PCI ... and that means you want a socket-940 platform with a chipset that puts some focus on I/O bandwidth.
SCSI integrated into a core system chipset? That hasn't ever happened, not even at the times when SCSI was a much more widespread technology not only at the high end.
 
I don't think there is such thing as futureproofing. Socket change really causes ppl who don't think to whine.

What does socket change entail? Change of motherboard right? So think of it this way. How long are you gonna keep your motherboard anyways? FORGET THE SOCKET.

In my case.. I bought the KT7A-RAID like 2 months after it came out. No Palomino support I found out later. So I guess I still have my Athlon 1100. So even if I picked up the new one, guess what? No DDR, No 333, so Thoroughbreds own me. So what if Socket 462 survived until 2003/2004. I still lost.

What if you went Intel. Your 845 with DDR400 support and your Northwood 533 2.4B are dead. You can't support new Northwoods at 800 FSB, and you bought 1 stick of 1GB ram. With 865/875 you want dual channel.. so you're screwed. Well its still Socket 478 right? Well you're probably gonna throw out your 845 motherboard anyways, so who cares if its the same socket.

Even if 939 stayed, you're gonna want to switch to DDR2 or DDR3. You're going to want whatever new is out, so even if you can jam an AMD processor in 2007 into your DFI NF4 board, you're not going to use your DFI board anyways.

So why whine?
 
I think anyone out there would be well served for many years with an X2 and a pcie motherboard, recently cpu innovation has slowed to a crawl and video card upgrades are really the only thing needed to play new games. Since pcie will be here for a good long while, just get a pcie board with a a64 that can support for a long time to come and you are set. 🙂

And about ddr3 and ddr2, however similar they may look, they are completely different. Look here for an old but best to date overview of ddr3. They dont even use standing voltage anymore for activation and instead use driving current.

Personally I would rather see them skip ddr2 and ddr3 and go for a more revolutionary memory tech rather than evolutionary, like FB-DIMM or XDR. FB-DIMM offers memory bandwidth multiplied by the number of sticks of memory installed and much simplified motherboard design (read "cheaper"), and XDR has a data rate of 12.8GB/s in dual channel@400mhz, DDR# arent gonnna get you either of those.
 
Originally posted by: mrc777
i mean i hope they won't introduce a series of sockets one after the other like the 940-754-939 and now the m2 and f before the socket dies...
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Why was 940-754-939 a problem for you? The first thing I heard when I read about the 754 was that it was soon to be superseded by 939 (for us enthusiasts anyway). It is the budget model and always was. No surprises there!

A more relevant gripe would be targetted at those who develop memory technology. Why isn't DDR2 a clear successor to ordinary DDR? In many cases it was a step back...

 
Considering the emphasis the AMD platform puts on timings, moving to DDR2 is probably not much of an upgrade. With typical cas latencies around 4 on DDR2, and with DDR running similar bandwidth at cas 2.5 or 3, I can't see DDR2 being all that attractive unless they can bring the cas latencies down a lot and the price down accordingly.
 
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