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AMD to launch 20nm and a brand new architecture for GPUs this year

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3DVagabond said:
Depends on what you call true next gen. 20nm GCN2.0 should be a "true next gen" improvement. It appears as though they cancelled their 28nm refresh and moved 20nm forward. I don't know whether or not it caught nVidia by surprise, but it sure surprises me.
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A GPUs that forces MS to release Shader Model 6. 😉
 
I am not discounting AMD's Chekib Akrout, Senior Vice President & Business Transformation Officer
Simply because he never said those words.

I am discounting the info that from the guy that's with AMD for sightseeing and traveling expenses 😉
The info that save for FUDZ no one ran with.


3dcenter has


both AMD and nVidia in the summer / fall 2014, depending on when the 20nm manufacturing by contract manufacturer TSMC


http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/der-lange-weg-zu-den-ersten-20nm-grafikkarten
 
f1sherman said:
I am not discounting AMD's Chekib Akrout, Senior Vice President & Business Transformation Officer
Simply because he never said those words.

I am discounting the info that from the guy that's with AMD for sightseeing and traveling expenses 😉
The info that save for FUDZ no one ran with.


3dcenter has


both AMD and nVidia in the summer / fall 2014, depending on when the 20nm manufacturing by contract manufacturer TSMC


http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/der-lange-weg-zu-den-ersten-20nm-grafikkarten
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Who are you saying said it? The interviewer? Sorry for trying to get you to be clear on this. I don't want to misunderstand your position.
 
3DVagabond said:
Who are you saying said it? The interviewer? Sorry for trying to get you to be clear on this. I don't want to misunderstand your position.
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I would not call him the interviewer. Simply because there is no interview.
I am talking about the author of the article.

The guy who got things mixed up a bit. One generation/nod or so.
But tbh it's not easy to follow AMD's islands/GCNs roadmaps recently.
 
f1sherman said:
I would not call him the interviewer. Simply because there is no interview.
I am talking about the author of the article.

The guy who got things mixed up a bit. One generation/nod or so.
But tbh it's not easy to follow AMD's islands/GCNs roadmaps recently.
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Yes, he wrote an article based on his interview with these two guys. You feel he misspoke about VI this year.

Just noticed too that nowhere in that article is 20nm mentioned. That was wccftech and that guy is just a geek who scours the internet and calls what he finds news.
 
AtenRa said:
I believe its too early for 20nm for a 2013 launch even late Q4.
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3DVagabond said:
Yes, after reading further I agree. Too bad, it was looking pretty exciting.
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20nm is going to be available in volume production by July or August of this year, but just because it's available doesn't mean products from vendors are ready for production. AMD's time to market between it's first 40nm (cypress) and first 28nm (Tahiti) was right at 28 months (September 2009, January 2012). If AMD's product development mirrors that, then it will be 24-28 months after Tahiti, so that would put it between January and May of next year.
 
Lets also not forget Apple and its buddies are buying out all production of 20nm... could be a long wait til PC gamers get a sniff of 20nm nextgen.
 
tviceman said:
20nm is going to be available in volume production by July or August of this year, but just because it's available doesn't mean products from vendors are ready for production. AMD's time to market between it's first 40nm (cypress) and first 28nm (Tahiti) was right at 28 months (September 2009, January 2012). If AMD's product development mirrors that, then it will be 24-28 months after Tahiti, so that would put it between January and May of next year.
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AMD's first 40nm gpu was the 4770, way back in April 2009.

The 8000 series cards are coming at the end of this year, but they are 28nm. It's unlikely that we'll see any high performance 20nm cards until later 2014, but maybe a pipe cleaner like the 4770 will be seen before then.
 
AnandThenMan said:
No need? Need meaning profit, sure they have a need and will sell the flagship card for grand if the market will tolerate it.
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Let me rephrase:

I don't think AMD could sell a $1000 single GPU graphics card unless it was legitimately more powerful than Titan by a very large margin. The thing I wonder is at $600 or $700 could AMD sell that much more of these "Titan killers" than they would at $1000, as to make more profit from selling at the lower price point?

I think AMD's current base of customers are unwilling to spend such a large amount of money, unless the Titan Killer was so good that it took some of the top end buyers from Nvidia.
 
I don't think NV cares about the pricing of Titan, because limited supply, they can price it obscene and still sell everything they make (which didn't make the cut on HPC cards).

But if AMD release a flagship, if its anything like the $550 7970, its not going down well. Now, if its very fast then we'll see.
 
SiliconWars said:
AMD's first 40nm gpu was the 4770, way back in April 2009.

The 8000 series cards are coming at the end of this year, but they are 28nm. It's unlikely that we'll see any high performance 20nm cards until later 2014, but maybe a pipe cleaner like the 4770 will be seen before then.
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8000 series cards are rebrands and are already out (They are also OEM only). VI will most likely be 9000 series.
 
SiliconWars said:
AMD's first 40nm gpu was the 4770, way back in April 2009.

The 8000 series cards are coming at the end of this year, but they are 28nm. It's unlikely that we'll see any high performance 20nm cards until later 2014, but maybe a pipe cleaner like the 4770 will be seen before then.
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I stand corrected, and Nvidia also had a 40nm chip out significantly sooner than GF100. My point still remains with regards to new architectures on new nodes.
 
When I look at how the launch of 28nm cards went, I don't think they were worth the average person buying for a few months because of price gouging.
 
georgec84 said:
Interesting article about how AMD wants to transform itself into a gaming company.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/07/amd-driving-to-transform-itself-into-a-gaming-company/
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Lmao. Intel gets the high margin server business, NV gets high-margin pro graphics, and both are trying for mobile (incl. mobile gaming.. very fast growth) and supercomputing (high margin). NV is also trying for cloud gaming a lot harder than AMD, right now.

Meanwhile, AMD gets the flat-to-declining low-margin console market and part of the declining PC gaming market??? I guess that's all they have left considering their post-Phenom II CPUs have failed to gain traction up to this point. (I have an AM3+ board so hopefully Steamroller is compatible and does much better than Piledriver/Bulldozer... but I was forced to go Intel for my last three builds due to power consumption and IPC.)

This is almost comical from a financial perspective. But as a PC gamer, thank you for existing, AMD, however long that may be. Love the TressFX initiative and can't wait for more.
 
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blastingcap said:
Lmao. Intel gets the high margin server business, NV gets high-margin pro graphics, and both are trying for mobile (incl. mobile gaming.. very fast growth) and supercomputing (high margin). NV is also trying for cloud gaming a lot harder than AMD, right now.

Meanwhile, AMD gets the flat-to-declining low-margin console market and part of the declining PC gaming market??? I guess that's all they have left considering their post-Phenom II CPUs have failed to gain traction up to this point. (I have an AM3+ board so hopefully Steamroller is compatible and does much better than Piledriver/Bulldozer... but I was forced to go Intel for my last three builds due to power consumption and IPC.)

This is almost comical from a financial perspective. But as a PC gamer, thank you for existing, AMD, however long that may be. Love the TressFX initiative and can't wait for more.
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PC gaming isnt in decline.
 
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