AMD To Buy Transmeta?

Rado

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Cut and pasted from Electic Tech:

AMD has asked the SEC for 2 Billion dollars in securities possibly for the purchase of Transmeta:

"Some sources speculated that AMD might be interested in buying Transmeta Corp., the new startup processor company that is starting to get its very low-power chips designed into notebook PCs and Internet-access devices. However, last month, AMD president Hector Ruiz told EBN that the two IC companies were tentatively discussing technology cooperation and nothing more than that."

Read on..
http://electic.com/webnews.shtml#968454828

I think it would be great if Transmeta becomes part of AMD:)
 

Sephiroth_IX

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AMD would be a force to be reckoned with if they got Transmeta, because right now they have very little laptop space, and this would open it wide open.

Corvette or a transmeta tho? :Q
 

Remnant2

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Shoot, Reuters news (very reliable source!) is indicating that Transmeta may be attempting to buy AMD! The reason why this would even be possible is that AMD's shareprice is down to the $30 range from its high of $90ish before, and when Transmeto goes IPO its market cap will probably be greater than AMD's, due to the insane optimism of anything technology and internet related.

I don't have the link, but they're talking about it on JC's BBS
 

Aznbruin

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Remnant2: Amd's share price is not down to 30 from the high of 90. AMD split which accounts for the lower price.
 

DaveJ

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Remnant: AMD's stock split on August 22, hence the lower share price... :) It would actually be trading around 68-75 pre-split prices...

I saw over at AMDZone that the story (Transmeta buying AMD) should probably be considered a hoax, and that the reverse is probably true...

Dave
 

Midnight Rambler

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AMD's credit rating is still horrendous. There is ZERO chance of them buying Transmeta. Check with Moody's if you need proof ...
 

ABT

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If AMD was to purchase Transmeta, I would hope for Intel's sake that they have something up their corporate sleeve. Even with them sharing technology Intel could be in trouble with regards to the notebook market. I for one am waiting to buy a laptop until the Crusoe is released. Needless to say, I think we would all agree that AMD has been spanking Intel like a cheap prostitute lately. :Q We'll just have to wait and watch.

ABT.
 

OneEng

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Midnight Rambler,
AMD has doubled their revenue each quarter since the release of the K7 core. They are rated as a Buy or Strong Buy by nearly every brokerage firm. I think that the money they asked for is either:
  1. To create FAB35 with
  2. To purchase Transmetta with

Either usage of the money will be trouble for Intel.
 

Vrangel

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It would be foolish for AMD to buy anything for cash.
Everybody pays in stock these days.They probably need cash for a new fab.

Either way I wouldnt expect AMD stock to go higher.

 

Midnight Rambler

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OneEng,

Obviously you did not check Moody's. A coupla quarters of good earnings is not enough to erase their past history, which is what their credit rating is based upon. I have owned stock in this company for over three years now so don't get the idea I am trying to discredit them, I'm as glad as anyone to see them doing better, esp. after enduring their CEO's lies for most of that time period. Thankfully, he is retiring next year. Finally, your are incorrect about their stock's current "rating". They were downgraded by several brokerages a few weeks ago, and most of their ratings are now either Buy, Hold, or Neutral (Hold=Neutral, just different brokerage house's terminology). Example - Ashok Kumar of Piper Jaffrey downgraded them to Neutral. He also just downgraded Intel this week, but that was from Strong Buy to Buy. Both stocks still have some Strong Buy supporters, but neither company is as strong as they were.

Personally, I would tend to believe that the money is for expansion in Dresden. Last report I read, plant space utilization there is only at about 30-35%.

As for Transmeta taking over the notebook and portables market, I don't think it will happen. No one knows for sure until we see exactly what kind of performance the Crusoe line will produce, as software emulation will no doubt cause some hit in performance. And Intel is not exactly playing around while waiting - they have their StrongARM product(s) on the way, a new DSP (in conjunction with Analog Devices) to debut very soon, and continuing revs of their Speed-Step.

 

OneEng

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Hmmm.

Well, as far as brokerage firms are concerned, everything about a company can be seen in its statistics (ie PE ratio, debt... things you can find in a quarterly earnings report). This is what they use to determine their status. It may well take more than a few quarters of good revenue for AMD to excel in the stock market, but only because not everyone knows what many of us know.

AMD has a 1 year technology lead over Intel:
  1. Copper interconnect technology in volume shippments
  2. .15um processing without any major changes to the tooling
  3. .13um processing by using phase shift techniques with existing tooling
  4. Proven K7 core with room for tweaks
  5. Growing 3rd party industry support from expanding partnerships
  6. Smaller, more efficient die size than P4
  7. On chip multiprocessing technology with Sledgehammer
  8. The first 64bit x86 processor with Sledgehammer

Adding Transmetta's super low power capabilities to this impressive list of technological advancements would be just another feather in AMD's hat.

AMD will continue to double its revenue every quarter for at least the next year. Intel will not be able to keep up with their existing technology. New process technology will need to be put into their plants (in process now for .13um copper) but this will take quite a bit of time. In addition to taking time out of much needed production for Intel, the process upgrade will also reduce yields until they get it ironed out. This will further starve the market in the high end desktop market forcing more companies to use a higher percentage of AMD processors in their desktop offerings.

The P4 in .18um weighs in at 217mm2 and draws enough power to light up your house (not really, but it does require the use of non-widely availible parts to work). This size of a die will prohibit volume productions and will not be a threat to AMD until Intel makes the die shrink to .13um. That isn't scheduled until Q2 next year. At that time Intel will have the First of the .13um plants converted and on-line. This will allow only partial production of the part and availibility will be as low as it was (or lower) when Intel made the shift over to .18um with Coppermine.

If history is any indicator, Intel will not be able to supply reliable volume shipments of high speed P4 parts for 4-6months beyond the time the first plant is moved to the new process. This puts them near the end of 2001.

In 2001, P4 will no longer be competing against K7, it will be up against K8. etc, etc.

Intel is moving fast, but so is their competition. Intel will have to move faster, be more creative, and regain a technological lead in order to fend off AMD. They may well do this, but not this year and not next year.

Ok, off of my soap box.
 

Soccerman

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no actually AMD was planning on making a new FAB near dresden. large withdrawls are probably the beginning of construction.

it wouldn't cost much to get Dresden up and using all of it's space.

the next FAB is for even lower micron per transister levels (.13 and lower). Dresden is probably going to have some .13 equipment in it so that they can ramp the T-Bird, and Mustang variants, to compete, while the next FAB is being built (possibly for the sledghammer, like Dresden was for the Athlon?)
 

Mday

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transmeta is not "new" it's been around for years...

anyway...

amd would do well with transmeta, but it's gonna be strange having a 64bit x86 while having a non x86 (but x86 compatible) chip...

very strange...

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i am doubting transmeta will be bought any time soon... nor do i think transmeta won't be bought ever...
 

Midnight Rambler

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OneEng,

The point I was trying to make is that their credit rating, and thus their ability to get loans, is not based on a poll of Wall Street analyts, but rather on credit reports and history.

Also, I wouldn't get too excited by copper yet (massive new capital equipment costs), and no way does AMD have such a lead over Intel in shrinking transistor size.

Good points Soccerman ...
 

Eli

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Midnight- AMD IS ahead of Intel in process technology. Way ahead. AMD has a solid, proven Copper technology process, Intel does not. FAB35 can go to .15um and .13um without retoolng. Intel cannot. OneEng is right. AMD has a year's lead over Intel. The K8 (That means 8th generation x86, 80886) will be out when Intel's P4 (7th generation, 80786) is just getting to acceptable levels of existance.. Unless Sledgehammer is a total flop, Intel had better hurry up the Pentium5 before we start hearing things about AMD's Dog..


(K9 for you slow folks) :Q
 

OneEng

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Eli,
LMFAO! I guess I hadn't yet thought of the logical conclusion to a K? series processor and the code name it might incurr. They should call it "BullDog". It sort of goes along with "SledgeHammer".

I am surprised to find anyone that agrees with my point of view on the long range forcast of AMD.

Midnight,
You may well have a point on the credit rating, however, I am not sure that securities are the same thing as a loan. This certianly lies outside my relm of knoledge.