Discussion AMD SoC Halo series GPU discussion

[MS_AT]

https://webinar.amd.com/HP-Workstation-Performance seems on 27th March they are supposed to announce the launch date of HP's Halo products. [btw, why do they request registration for these...]

 

[adroc_thurston]

Those were still 128 bit configs .

And that is where the difference lies.

They had an eDRAM slab on the side in case you forgot that.

 

[fastandfurious6]

Love the nickname 'chungus' for Halo 😂 nvidia desktop gpu dies are still more than double size right 😂

 

[jpiniero]

AMD had been proposing big APUs for mobile for years, when Apple did it PC OEMs finally realised there is a market for them.

You mean "AI Hype"

I think the 'excitement' here is because people think AMD will sell this on desktop for $200. That's... not happening.

But we'll have to see what the market is for AI Hype laptops on Windows.

 

[branch_suggestion]

You mean "AI Hype"

Strix Halo has been roadmapped since before the bubble.

 

[adroc_thurston]

You mean "AI Hype"

Nope. You're fighting ghosts.

I think the 'excitement' here is because people think AMD will sell this on desktop for $200. That's... not happening

No, you're fighting ghosts.
It's just a very sleek and efficient product.

 

[jpiniero]

Strix Halo has been roadmapped since before the bubble.

I think it was designed/pitched as a dGPU Gaming Laptop alternative originally. But what got OEMs interested is the AI Hype.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I think it was designed/pitched as a dGPU Gaming Laptop alternative originally. But what got OEMs interested is the AI Hype.

No, what's got OEMs interested is Mx Pro compete.

 

[maddie]

I think it was designed/pitched as a dGPU Gaming Laptop alternative originally. But what got OEMs interested is the AI Hype.

So AMD spent all that money on designing Halo before the OEMs were interested and then the AI bubble saved it?

 

[marees]

So AMD spent all that money on designing Halo before the OEMs were interested and then the AI bubble saved it?

Apple created the market opportunity. AI will fuel it.

 

[Glo.]

You mean "AI Hype"

I think the 'excitement' here is because people think AMD will sell this on desktop for $200. That's... not happening.

But we'll have to see what the market is for AI Hype laptops on Windows.

Excitement is because thats where the tech will go, at least for mainstream. If there will be high demand, expect even larger designs.

 

[adroc_thurston]

AI will fuel it.

Uh. No? No one besides VC hypebeasts cares about any of that stuff.
It's just a good product, that's all there is to it.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Do you have any source on that? Notebookcheck's review is the only one I've found that compares Strix Halo to full power a 4060m or 4070m laptop.

Across their 7 game spread, a full power (140W) 4060m is 10% ahead.
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For gaming it's an almost perfect match for the RX 7600m XT, which won't make many waves. Good thing the AI hype came to the rescue.

 

[GTracing]

For gaming it's an almost perfect match for the RX 7600m XT, which won't make many waves. Good thing the AI hype came to the rescue.

Yeah, and n44 will probably be another 10% faster. Though the Ryzen AI Max+ hx 395 is a more appealing product overall. It would sell fine even without AI hype imo.

 

[MS_AT]

I think the 'excitement' here is because people think AMD will sell this on desktop for $200. That's... not happening

I would hope to get 64GB mini pc under 2500$, from a more reputable brand, I wonder if I that is possible.

 

[Joe NYC]

They could physically fit more GPU chiplets in future Halo parts if they 3D stacked the CPU chiplets on top or something.

If 3D stacked, there is no need for more than 1 GPU chiplet. Splitting Strix Halo between GPU chiplett alone on top die and everything else on bottom die would result in ~160 mm2 GPU chiplet.

So if that happens with Medusa Halo, the size is around 160 mm2 for both top and bottom die, and the top die is N3e, there is no reason to have more than that one chiplet at ~160 mm2

 

[igor_kavinski]

I would hope to get 64GB mini pc under 2500$, from a more reputable brand, I wonder if I that is possible.

Maybe wait 6 months and pay same price for 128GB one?

 

[Joe NYC]

whoever kept denying the big APU project needs to go... AMD still has bad suits calling shots

Looks like the Strix Halo project had a substantial cost to get off the ground. In the past, AMD did not have that kind of money to throw at a risky project that could have easily ended up as a commercial failure if not enough OEMs adopted it. And in the past, AMD's financial situation would bot have been able to withstand a failure like that.

 

[Joe NYC]

I would hope to get 64GB mini pc under 2500$, from a more reputable brand, I wonder if I that is possible.

I think you will be able to get one for much less than $2500 from company like MinisForum.

 

[misuspita]

I would expect a MiniPC from Beelink or Minisforum for just under 2k in 6 months. I'd wish 1500 but its a pipedream.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Yeah, and n44 will probably be another 10% faster. Though the Ryzen AI Max+ hx 395 is a more appealing product overall. It would sell fine even without AI hype imo.

Depends on pricing. People wanted big APU for a long time assuming it would be less expensive than CPU + dGPU. If it isn't, then I don't think there is much market outside of AI hype.

 

[gdansk]

If it had better 1T performance I don't think I'd care too much about the price so long as its comparable. The iGPU is right in the league of graphics performance I want in a laptop and it's more efficient than dGPU+CPU combination. But Zen 5 is something of a dud in client workloads so I can't justify 2500-3000$ on any Zen 5 laptop.

 

[igor_kavinski]

But Zen 5 is something of a dud in client workloads so I can't justify 2500-3000$ on any Zen 5 laptop.

Which workloads? There are very few specialized workloads (scientific/math workstation ones mostly) where Arrow Lake has an edge. Overall, I've seen Zen 5 coming out ahead a lot more and the additional bandwidth on Strix Halo should increase the multicore efficiency even more. Need TPU to review Strix Halo ASAP so we can have a good comparison with their earlier Zen 5 launch review to see how much things have improved since.

 

[jpiniero]

Depends on pricing. People wanted big APU for a long time assuming it would be less expensive than CPU + dGPU. If it isn't, then I don't think there is much market outside of AI hype.

Like I said, it's more that people thought AMD would sell it on desktop for $200.

 

[gdansk]

Like I said, it's more that people thought AMD would sell it on desktop for $200.

Arguing against a strawman is all good and fun. But no one is expecting even merely a 40 CU GPU at sub $400 or a 16 core CPU at sub $550.