alexruiz
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alexruiz
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I have to ask,
has anyone here USED a SSD with a SATA II system?
Yes, I mean used in real life, not read all the babbling on the web about "half the speed"
Ok, if you have used a SDD with a SATA II system (that discards most of the armchair CTOs) How would you compare it to a system system with SATA III?
It makes practically no difference! The SSD biggest advantage over the HDDs is seek times, and regardless of SATA II or SATA III, the seek times stay the same.
SATA III vs SATA II with SSD matters only if transfering a lot of files from SSD to SSD, which again most of the armchair CTOs are not doing. Heck, those doing a lot of SSD to SSD transfer are using thousand-of-dollars PCI-E SSDs!
The talk of AM3+ being obsolete is blown out of proportion. Yes, it is not up to date in features, but how many of those features really hamper performance?
* PCI-e 3.0? Proven at 2% or so with a R9 290X vs PCI-E 2.0
* No native USB 3.0? True, but the third parties have solutions as good as the A75/A85/A78/A88 chipsets.
* No SATA express? True, but how many are using it?
* No M.2 native. Who uses a M.2 SSD in a desktop?
Furthermore, even the motherboards with SB710 (SATA II) vs the SB950 (SATA III) the performance difference for SATA is practically academic. It will make a difference when we get 1TB SSD for $100, but for now, a SSD on SATA II vs SATA III is virtually the same.
Would we like to have a AM3+ platform fully up to date? Absolutely!
Is it a deal breaker? No, not at all, not in 970/990FX motherboards. In the 760G boards, the issue is not even SATA II vs SATA III, it is the DX10 HD3000 graphics. You either FM2+, or need to get a discrete GPU for anything other than office work.
On the original topic, looking forward to the discounts
I was actually thinking about this yesterday. I have sata 3Gbps SSD's in my FX right now (motherboard does 6Gbps), I would be shocked if anyone who isn't doing anything other than comparing storage benches would be able to tell. The big benefit of an SSD for me is how responsive it is, not sustained file xfer bandwidth.
WhoBeDaPlaya
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Yo. I have also used everything from a Sandisk Ultra Plus to a 840 Pro and don't notice much of a difference between them. They all blow mechanical drives out of the water.
Well, basically thisDid they let you buy more than one?
I know right -- I've got to upgrade my FX 8320 to a Celeron G1820... STAT
Obviously.... it's an Intel Haswell, so it's automatically faster at everything.
/Sarcasm off
Leyawiin
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I really don't think my switch warrants sarcasm. Regardless, first Intel in over 10 years of PC building - not like I haven't given AMD a proper chance.
Any thoughts on the 3 new fx 8 chips? Perhaps one of them will be similar to 8320/50 with 95w? Similar lower/higher clockspeeds? Sounds like progress even if its not much.
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One of them seems to be the (re)introduction of the FX8300. An OEM model from 2012.
Phynaz
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Possibly. There were some process improvements at the Fab that lead to the 9000 series of FX. Maybe they have been able to apply those same kinds of tricks to reduce power consumption? I'd be curious if we get something like a "8310" clocked @ 3.2 or 3.3 Ghz?
Hilariously, the single threaded performance of the G1820 would be as fast if not faster than a module from Piledriver. FX offers nothing except if you are in the US and want lots of cheap but slow modules on an antique platform. APUs are a tiny niche on the desktop and AMD in laptops have gone, er, nowhere. Now Intel will push Broadwell aggressively on the mobile side and AMD has had nothing on the desktop side CPU wise for a long while now. AMD may as well go all GPU and APU and forget about the rest.
This was totally unnecessary. What's your point? Core i5 4690K is a significant improvement over FX6300. Expect to see lots of FX users updrading to Haswell, Broadwell and Skylake in the next two years. That's a logical upgrade path for those seeking a newer platform, lower power consumption, stellar ST and MT performance. Some people simply don't want to wait for AMD's next non-CMT architecture or downgrade/sidegrade to a dual-core/quad-core APU, that doesn't make them fanboys.
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Hilarous how our team has 2.8 million points on the World Community Grid (With just 2 guys that joined the grid last year -- and we're already in the Top 7500 out of 40,000 Teams) -- it would take at least 2 to 3 G1820's to equal our 1 FX 8320. Probably because we actually do the research with the real hardware and not buy into propoganda of misleading benchmarks. We know this because I also run a Pentium G2020 (similar to a G1820) on the grid it doesn't come anywhere close to the FX daily numbers (2 threads vs 8). I think many Intel fans are starting to feel insecure since AMD locked up all 3 game consoles. Seriously, GeForce, Radeons, Intel and AMD components all have their pros and cons.
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The point is at least he is making an actual upgrade. A lot of people are upgrading based on perceptions and not reality. I actually knew someone who did "upgrade" from an FX 6300 to a G1820 which is why I made the joke.... Because he bought into the constant "Intel Is Always Better" mantra that is rampant on this forum.... He spent $120 "upgrading" to a slower system (He had to get an "enthusiast motherboard" for his Celeron). I guess at least he has a better upgrade path now for swapping the CPU -- but he wasted the money IMO.... he should have bought a newer GPU (the guy is trying to run modern games on a Radeon 3870) since his goal was a better gaming experience. Mis-information can lead to bad decisions. Investing money on a better GPU would have been way smarter than trying to buying into the hype.
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frozentundra123456
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VirtualLarry
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More than likely, yes. Anyways, burning through 25% of an SSD's life in 1-2 months isn't my kind of fun.
Agreed. I don't think there is any performance advantage to running an SSD over a traditional hard drive on the world community grid, either. I've never personally seen anything to indicate it,anyways.
Essence_of_War
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I sure can't.
Spinners are "fast enough" for MOST sequential workloads. SSDs stretch their legs when they can make a mockery of access times.
gotta love how the thread went from 'AMD slashing prices' to a pissing contest of 'SSD vs Mechanical' harddrives... WOOT!
DrMrLordX
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It's vaguely related (platform sort of restricted to SATA II support). All that aside, the thought of a discounted FX is mildly tempting, though the cited cuts aren't all that special unless you're looking at the 9590. It should be interesting to see what other price cuts are made in the FX lineup, particularly to the 8320 and 8350.
The first thing that came to my mind was: is AMD trying to push stock out of the door to make room for new chips in Q4 2014/Q1 2015?
The first thing that came to my mind was: is AMD trying to push stock out of the door to make room for new chips in Q4 2014/Q1 2015?
Intel is generally a better buy for most people including the the typical computer gamer. And its not fair to say that Intel's advantage is due to "propaganda of misleading benchmarks" when Haswell's are generally faster in typical apps and games giving it better value for the same price. AMD only has an advantage in relatively niche cases.
Going to ditch my 4,5GHz FX6300 for Haswell pentium tomorrow. Thanks for the advice!
JimKiler
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As a pro AMD nerd I don't think there is that much inventory to push out the door.
Probably quite the opposite, dumping prices in order to not choke with inventory in Q4. Expect another drop in CPU revenues by that time.
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