AMD Sempron (Kabini) Quad Core AM1 @ $37

[Sinthoras]

I would have to disagree with that. Too many things either directly or indirectly use iGPU on typical user case scenarios now.

And the single thread is only marginally better.

This is Geekbench 3 of a J1800 / 2.4Ghz Bay Trail vs a 1.5Ghz a4-5000 Kabini.

J1800 / 2.4Ghz
Geekbench 3.1.5 Tryout for Windows x86 (32-bit)
Single-Core Score Multi-Core Score
993 1727

A4-5000 / 1.5Ghz
Geekbench 3.1.5 Tryout for Windows x86 (32-bit)
Single-Core Score Multi-Core Score
845 2654

Seems like AMD did a great job on kabini, since it's so much faster clock-per-clock than the bay trail cpu.

 

[Abwx]

Seems like AMD did a great job on kabini, since it's so much faster clock-per-clock than the bay trail cpu.

Looking at theses benches Kabini has 56% better IPC for FP
and almost 38% for integer.

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Netbook-Evolved-ASUS-Transformer-Book-Windows-8-Hybrid/?page=3

 

[SammichPG]

The biggest competition to these kabini chips is baytrail.

Baytrail is soldered onto the mobo but that allows for lower costs.

But honestly the pricing looks like pricing to fail. The price of cheap Celerons + Mobo are maybe $70. Sure the TDP is higher but the power usage is going to be very similar. How much power does two 1.8 ghz non HT IVB cores use?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135350

$37 leaves $32 for a mobo. Possible but unlikely. When you get to the more expensive kabini parts it looks even more unattractive. $60 for top end Kabini is ludicrous.

Really think AMD should have gone embedded with kabini. On a system this cheap, low powered, and low performance few people are going to upgrade. I think AMD went this way so that they can get a bigger cut by selling individually.

Celerons don't have virtualization extensions.
Want that feature? Buy i3 or higher doubling your costs no matter your cpu requirements.

With Intel you're enslaved to their marketing segmentation.

ARM boards for the desktop/small server markets can't come soon enough.

 

[daveybrat]

This MSI Mini-ITX board looks nice:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...59&ignorebbr=1

MSI AM1I AM1 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX AMD Motherboard

And it's only $34.99!

 

[JDG1980]

Kabini's IPC is pretty close to Steamroller, even though Kabini only has a dual-wide front end (Steamroller and Haswell are both 4-wide) and Kabini is also missing some other optimizations found on big cores (Anandtech's review mentioned the lack of a decoded micro-op cache). This raises the question of why AMD doesn't ditch the 'construction equipment' cores and use a modified, beefed-up 'cat core' design for their next large-die CPUs and APUs. They could then have the same basic architecture for both lines, saving development costs. And performance and efficiency on the big cores would probably go up.

 

[JDG1980]

And unlike Kabini/Baytrail, the Haswell can actually handle most codecs without full support. And it wouldnt be a turd to use for daily usage.

Don't be silly. Any of these systems will be fine for daily usage for non-demanding users. Keep in mind that there are still lots of people (and businesses!) out there with Core 2 Duo-based systems. For web browsing, Office, and other day-to-day tasks, these work just fine. Kabini's IPC is roughly on par with C2D, so it will work fine too. Neither Kabini nor Baytrail will do very well in, say, intensive Photoshop work or heavy 3D gaming, but these aren't the target markets and everyone knows it.

What kind of non-hardware-accelerated videos do you envision the average user watching? Virtually everything on the web is H.264. The other DVD and Blu-ray codecs (MPEG-2 and VC1) are also covered. Even if someone runs across an oddball codec on an old video from BitTorrent or something (maybe RealMedia), most of these videos will be standard definition or even lower resolution, and Kabini and Baytrail will be able to handle that without dropping frames. The only place I've ever seen HD videos that aren't subject to hardware acceleration is with anime - some groups inexplicably encode at 10bpp, even though the original source is only 8bpp, and the hardware can't handle this. But that's a very niche case, and the average user will never see it.

 

[AtenRa]

Kabini's IPC is pretty close to Steamroller, even though Kabini only has a dual-wide front end (Steamroller and Haswell are both 4-wide) and Kabini is also missing some other optimizations found on big cores (Anandtech's review mentioned the lack of a decoded micro-op cache). This raises the question of why AMD doesn't ditch the 'construction equipment' cores and use a modified, beefed-up 'cat core' design for their next large-die CPUs and APUs. They could then have the same basic architecture for both lines, saving development costs. And performance and efficiency on the big cores would probably go up.

Not that simple, do we know if Jaguar can scale up to 3-4GHz ??

 

[Abwx]

Fot thoses concerned by codecs :

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-AM1-Athlon-5350-Reviewed-Low-Power-Low-Price-APU-Masses

 

[TeknoBug]

Looking at theses benches Kabini has 56% better IPC for FP
and almost 38% for integer.

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Netbook-Evolved-ASUS-Transformer-Book-Windows-8-Hybrid/?page=3

Pretty good benches, my laptop's A4 5000 isn't bad after all.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Kabini's IPC is pretty close to Steamroller, even though Kabini only has a dual-wide front end (Steamroller and Haswell are both 4-wide) and Kabini is also missing some other optimizations found on big cores (Anandtech's review mentioned the lack of a decoded micro-op cache). This raises the question of why AMD doesn't ditch the 'construction equipment' cores and use a modified, beefed-up 'cat core' design for their next large-die CPUs and APUs. They could then have the same basic architecture for both lines, saving development costs. And performance and efficiency on the big cores would probably go up.

That my thoughts as well. Remember Intel did more or less the same with the Pentium M to Core 2. We're essentially running heavily modified and upgraded Pentium Ms on the Intel side today. There is no reason to suspect AMD couldn't do something similar with the "-cat" core. (except the R&D budget perhaps, but that's another discussion)

Not that simple, do we know if Jaguar can scale up to 3-4GHz ??

I don't think it can. But it could properly be upgraded to do it with an appropriate process. David Kanter did a very nice write-up on the Bobcat/Jaguar-architecture not long ago:

http://www.realworldtech.com/jaguar/

It certainly answered a few question-marks on the "-cat" cores for me...

 

[Abwx]

Not that simple, do we know if Jaguar can scale up to 3-4GHz ??

3GHz would require something like 40W if not more, hence a 7600 Kaveri configured at 45W would be much more relevant at theses power levels, of course price wise it would be a quite different segment since it s currently 129$.

 

[Enigmoid]

Pretty good benches, my laptop's A4 5000 isn't bad after all.

Until you realize how the competition stacks up.

1 haswell core at 3 ghz has the same performance as the a4-5000 on four cores. And what haswell ULT chips can you get in a 15W envelope?

Kabini is a nice chip, don't get me wrong. But its low powered, very low powered. It has price going for it but not much else.

 

[Abwx]

Until you realize how the competition stacks up.

1 haswell core at 3 ghz has the same performance as the a4-5000 on four cores. And what haswell ULT chips can you get in a 15W envelope?

Kabini is a nice chip, don't get me wrong. But its low powered, very low powered. It has price going for it but not much else.

With a single thread running at 3ghz an HW plateform use at least 60W,
the whole point is about perf/watt/price.

 

[Sweepr]

With a single thread running at 3ghz an HW plateform use at least 60W,
the whole point is about perf/watt/price.

Citation needed.

 

[AtenRa]

Until you realize how the competition stacks up.

1 haswell core at 3 ghz has the same performance as the a4-5000 on four cores. And what haswell ULT chips can you get in a 15W envelope?

Kabini is a nice chip, don't get me wrong. But its low powered, very low powered. It has price going for it but not much else.

Well that is the reason of its existence, Low Power and Low Price. People here always only looking at performance alone, why not everyone have bought a 6-Core Core i7 then ???
Kabini compete against ATOM based Celerons/Pentium, haswell has no business in that segment.

 

[TeknoBug]

It's OK, you get more options for about the same price going with an 1155 board and a Celeron G1620 and later upgrading to an i3 or i5 if you want.

 

[Enigmoid]

With a single thread running at 3ghz an HW plateform use at least 60W,
the whole point is about perf/watt/price.

Lol what?

There are 15W haswell chips with turbo to 3 ghz. Thats dual core + HT.

My whole 3630qm laptop uses ~60-65W with 4 cores at 3.2 ghz + HT with a monitor under MT loads.

Well that is the reason of its existence, Low Power and Low Price. People here always only looking at performance alone, why not everyone have bought a 6-Core Core i7 then ???
Kabini compete against ATOM based Celerons/Pentium, haswell has no business in that segment.

A haswell celeron or pentium uses ridiculously low amounts of power (compared to Kaveri or i3/i5/i7, FX) and is quite cheap.

You can't discount that.

 

[AtenRa]

Lol what?

There are 15W haswell chips with turbo to 3 ghz. Thats dual core + HT.

My whole 3630qm laptop uses ~60-65W with 4 cores at 3.2 ghz + HT with a monitor under MT loads.

What is the price of that 15W Haswell ??? Those Haswell SKUs are not in the same segment as Kabini.

A haswell celeron or pentium uses ridiculously low amounts of power (compared to Kaveri or i3/i5/i7, FX) and is quite cheap.

You can't discount that.

They may have lower power than Kaveri or Core i SKUs but they have 50% more power consumption than Kabini. Not in the same segment.

 

[TreVader]

Haswell Celerons are great but you're going to spend anywhere from 110-160 for a decent Mobo and even just a G1820. And there is a HUGE gap between the cheapest Haswell celerons and even the cheapest i3. Ask me how I know.

 

[Shivansps]

Sorry but even the cheap Asrock H81M-DGS ($49) is already a lot better than AM1 can offer. That and a G1820 we are talking about $103.

The cheaper AM1 5350 combo is $93, not a lot of price difference there.

Now mITX gona be cheaper on AM1, yeah.

On H81 you have full PCI-E, more satas and upgrade up to an I7...

 

[TeknoBug]

Where is the G1820 $103? I'm looking at them at NCIX.ca for $55.

Oh nevermind, $103 for both CPU and motherboard?

 

[Shivansps]

yes, $103 for Asrock H81M-DGS + G1820 on Newegg..

Personally i whant to see the 5350 compared to J1900, G1820 and A4-4000, the Anadtech review is shameful at best, no G1820, no A4-4000, the J1900 is missing on half the test, no power... i cant belive it

 

[monstercameron]

yes, $103 for Asrock H81M-DGS + G1820 on Newegg..

Personally i whant to see the 5350 compared to J1900, G1820 and A4-4000, the Anadtech review is shameful at best, no G1820, no A4-4000, the J1900 is missing on half the test, no power... i cant belive it

enjoy
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36245503&postcount=77

 

[TreVader]

Sorry but even the cheap Asrock H81M-DGS ($49) is already a lot better than AM1 can offer. That and a G1820 we are talking about $103.

The cheaper AM1 5350 combo is $93, not a lot of price difference there.

Now mITX gona be cheaper on AM1, yeah.

On H81 you have full PCI-E, more satas and upgrade up to an I7...

There are things you lose with H81, and it doesn't change the fact that the cheapest haswell celeron/mobo combo is still more expensive than the most expensive kabini/mobo combo.



Kabinis competition is Bay Trail, and Bay Trail is overpriced and underpowered. Haswell Celerons aren't even in the same ballpark. They're talking $50 for cpu/mobo combo. Please show me the Haswell/mobo combo that's $50.

 

[Shivansps]

The 5350+AM1 is $93, and thats what im talking here, the Sempron Quad+AM1 mb is about $74, Sempron dual will be at 50 or something?

VS 5350

-J1900 is about the same on CPU, uses less power and its pasive, about the same price too, but inferior in gaming.
-G1820 is better all around, but uses more power, it also cost about $10 more.

enjoy
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36245503&postcount=77

Only the pclab review is good.