AMD selling Athlon Kabinis

[cbn]

With the ASUS AM1M-A supporting ECC memory:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1495837/ecc-works-on-am1

Maybe these Athlons x4s will find a niche in some type of server role? Then combine with HD5450 which is about half the performance of the Athlon 5350/5150 iGPU, but can usually be found on sale for $10 after rebate.

 

[Abwx]

Still, not a great value considering a $30 Kabini quad (and a Kabini dual core APU currently runs about $40) + R240 is still ~$100, which is the same price as an A10-5800K or A8-6600K. Motherboards are a little cheaper for AM1 though.

Should be good enough for a 50-60$ dgfx, they better had released them at 2.2 and 2.4 to give some relevance compared to the APUs siblings, a board like the MSI ITX is very cheap, something like 30$ in the US, here in Europe it can be found at 29€ 20% VAT incl., this allow to mount razzor cost PCs with (basic) SSDs.

The 5350 is too weak to pair with a DGPU. As many results show many games will only hit 30 fps avg due to a CPU bottleneck and many will hit less.

What would you pair with a R240/250..?.

 

[Shivansps]

The point in this test is to show what can be extracted from a 750ti at 1080p with two vastly different CPUs, so what is biaised.??.

probably running on high details, 1920x1080, the 750TI is a real botteneck to the I7, i have a 750TI and i know what it can do.
You could probably compare it to a Quantum computer and see no diference, you will only make the 5350 look good by comparison, pointless. 5350 should be compared to celerons and pentiums, not even an I3.

 

[cbn]

What would you pair with a R240/250..?.

I would use a Celeron G1820 over a Athlon 5350 if needing a CPU to pair with R7 240.

 

[Sweepr]

The iGPU is pretty well matched for Kabini's CPU. If I'm remembering correctly, adding a discrete card doesn't really provide any more performance in games over the iGPU, and any discrete card will make it considerably more expensive than something with an integrated GPU, unless they're giving them away. I don't think AM1 has enough PCI-e lanes for render farms either?

Yup, look for a proper CPU and platform if you ever want to add a dGPU.

 

[Abwx]

probably running on high details, 1920x1080, the 750TI is a real botteneck to the I7, i have a 750TI and i know what it can do.
You could probably compare it to a Quantum computer and see no diference, you will only make the 5350 look good by comparison, pointless. 5350 should be compared to celerons and pentiums, not even an I3.

I think that you are missing the point, that s not a CPU comparison as per se, they used a i7 to saturate the 750ti such that we can see what the 5350 can extract from the GFX max throughput, but i guess that you only saw the 5350 shown in good light and that, well, didnt please you much apparently, to the point that you missed...the point.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The point is that a cpu as weak as Kabini is a terrible choice for gaming with a dgpu. I dont think shivansps missed the point at all.

 

[Abwx]

Yup, look for a proper CPU and platform if you ever want to add a dGPU.

I see that you did choose a representative sample of their games tests on this review....

We get a better picture this way...

http://pclab.pl/art57195-7.html

I would use a Celeron G1820 over a Athlon 5350 if needing a CPU to pair with R7 240.

You can compare the results above, there s games where the 5350 is adequate, besides the difference will be smaller with a 240..

 

[Sweepr]

I see that you did choose a representative sample of their games tests on this review....

We get a better picture this way...

Thanks for posting them. Athlon 5350 gets smacked in all titles (except Tomb Raider) by the slowest desktop Haswell chip using a <$100 dGPU. Honestly, a crappy choice to pair with a dGPU.

 

[Abwx]

Thanks for posting them. Except for Tomb Raider the Athlon 5350 gets smacked in all titles by the slowest desktop Haswell chip using a <$100 dGPU. Honestly, a crappy choice to pair with a dGPU.

But you could had posted them since you provided the first graphs...

Now one has to look at the total price, and for the crappy choice i could tell you as well that a CPU lacking AES is pointeless and shouldnt even be discussed for a modern build...

 

[Yuriman]

My father would be close to an ideal candidate for a Kabini quad. He's very happy with his Core2 Duo 21xx system, just uses it to browse the web and print, and already has a basically complete system with a SSD and discrete HD6670. If his motherboard were to go out I wouldn't have any issues with recommending an iGPU-less Kabini quad for his uses, so long as I could get it for half the price of a Celeron including RAM and motherboard. That'd be a tough target to hit though, considering a Haswell Celeron can be had for around $45 and 1150 boards start around $40. There would need to be some other incentive.

Building a system from scratch with Kabini would be harder to swallow, because the price difference in CPUs would be almost unnoticeable in the total cost.

 

[cbn]

My father would be close to an ideal candidate for a Kabini quad. He's very happy with his Core2 Duo 21xx system, just uses it to browse the web and print, and already has a basically complete system with a SSD and discrete HD6670. If his motherboard were to go out I wouldn't have any issues with recommending an iGPU-less Kabini quad for his uses, so long as I could get it for half the price of a Celeron including RAM and motherboard. That'd be a tough target to hit though, considering a Haswell Celeron can be had for around $45 and 1150 boards start around $40. There would need to be some other incentive.

Building a system from scratch with Kabini would be harder to swallow, because the price difference in CPUs would be almost unnoticeable in the total cost.

It would be nice to see some BOM lowering goodies (soldered on RAM, eMMC 5.0, etc) being used by some of the board makers. It doesn't have to show up on all models, but on the most extreme budget offerings I am sure it would probably help.

 

[Enigmoid]

I see that you did choose a representative sample of their games tests on this review....

We get a better picture this way...

http://pclab.pl/art57195-7.html

You can compare the results above, there s games where the 5350 is adequate, besides the difference will be smaller with a 240..

I agree. However, witcher 2 at 22 fps downright isn't playable.

Fifa runs fine on the igp anyway.

As Balla showed way back tomb raider benchmark isn't representative of gameplay.

The 5350 is good for a basic low usage build but without an igp its value decreases a lot.

 

[Abwx]

so long as I could get it for half the price of a Celeron including RAM and motherboard.

If you want it to be half the price then you have to accept that there s only half the memory, i dont see how you could pay let say 40$ for 4GB in a 1150 build and ask the AM1 plateform to get you thoses 4GB at 20$...

For the time we dont know the prices but if the 2.2 is at say 35$, the MB is 30$, that s 65$, (a GFX like the 240( or even 250?) is about this price i think), it s better to pour the 20$ difference with a 1150 plateform in a SSD.

I agree. However, witcher 2 at 22 fps downright isn't playable.

Fifa runs fine on the igp anyway.

As Balla showed way back tomb raider benchmark isn't representative of gameplay.

The 5350 is good for a basic low usage build but without an igp its value decreases a lot.

All the test above are at 1080p, do you think that it s a relevant res for R240/250.?.

 

[Enigmoid]

All the test above are at 1080p, do you think that it s a relevant res for R240/250.?.

No, but if its CPU bottlenecked to 22 fps its not going to do any better at 720p.

 

[cbn]

For the time we dont know the prices but if the 2.2 is at say 35$, the MB is 30$, that s 65$, (a GFX like the 240( or even 250?) is about this price i think), it s better to pour the 20$ difference with a 1150 plateform in a SSD.

A $20 price difference between AM1 uATX/Athlon x4 and LGA 1150 uATX/Celeron G1820 is not much to speak of (especially when 2.2 GHz Jaguar quad core is the top cpu, but the 1150 can go so much higher)

Even if we compare Mini-ITX using your $35 2.2 GHz Jaguar quad core example, the price gap only increases to $38 (using the lowest priced MSI boards for both AM1 and LGA 1150).

 

[Shivansps]

AMD should unlock these igp-less CPU, if they come unlocked it could be a good deal.

 

[Yuriman]

A $20 price difference between AM1 uATX/Athlon x4 and LGA 1150 uATX/Celeron G1820 is not much to speak of (especially when 2.2 GHz Jaguar quad core is the top cpu, but the 1150 can go so much higher)

Even if we compare Mini-ITX using your $35 2.2 GHz Jaguar quad core example, the price gap only increases to $38 (using the lowest priced MSI boards for both AM1 and LGA 1150).

Basically this.

"Pour the $20 into a SSD"

 

[Abwx]

A $20 price difference between AM1 uATX/Athlon x4 and LGA 1150 uATX/Celeron G1820 is not much to speak of (especially when 2.2 GHz Jaguar quad core is the top cpu, but the 1150 can go so much higher)

Even if we compare Mini-ITX using your $35 2.2 GHz Jaguar quad core example, the price gap only increases to $38 (using the lowest priced MSI boards for both AM1 and LGA 1150).

I m talking of the MSI ITX board and you re answering with uATX since it makes no doubt that mini ITX 1150 borads are not competitive in the comparison....

Here a H81 mini ITX is 65€ at least, a MSI AM1 mini ITX is 29-30€, that s already 35€ difference even before counting the CPU, if it s 35$ in the US it will be about 35€ here, a G1840 can be had for 36-38€ but the board pricing completely trash the price/perf ratio, oddly the 5350 cost 30-35% more than the G1840 and that s because the most sought parameter is power comsumption as a majority of the buyers here never power off their AM1 builds.

 

[Abwx]

A $20 price difference between AM1 uATX/Athlon x4 and LGA 1150 uATX/Celeron G1820 is not much to speak of (especially when 2.2 GHz Jaguar quad core is the top cpu, but the 1150 can go so much higher)

Even if we compare Mini-ITX using your $35 2.2 GHz Jaguar quad core example, the price gap only increases to $38 (using the lowest priced MSI boards for both AM1 and LGA 1150).

I m talking of the MSI ITX board and you re answering with uATX since it makes no doubt that mini ITX 1150 MBs are not competitive in the comparison but the picture in mini ITX is not that simple...

Here a H81 mini ITX is 65€ at least, a MSI AM1 mini ITX is 29-30€, that s already 35€ difference even before counting the CPU, if it s 35$ in the US it will be about 35€ here, a G1840 can be had for 36-38€ but the board pricing completely trash the price/perf ratio, oddly the 5350 cost 30-35% more than the G1840 and that s because the most sought parameter is power comsumption as a majority of the buyers here never power off their AM1 builds.

Basically this.

"Pour the $20 into a SSD"

I counted 40€/$ difference for the CPU + MB, how much is a 64GB SSD.?.

Edit : A 64gb sandisk is 39€....

http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/showdetl.cfm?product_id=4872846#moid:MO-22FB8M22462108

 

[cbn]

Instead of Athlon x4, I think AMD should have sold some quad cores with one CU disabled.

That would leave 64 stream processors for iGPU, which is enough for a server and helps lower idle power consumption compared to using discrete HD5450.

 

[Enigmoid]

I m talking of the MSI ITX board and you re answering with uATX since it makes no doubt that mini ITX 1150 MBs are not competitive in the comparison but the picture in mini ITX is not that simple...

Here a H81 mini ITX is 65€ at least, a MSI AM1 mini ITX is 29-30€, that s already 35€ difference even before counting the CPU, if it s 35$ in the US it will be about 35€ here, a G1840 can be had for 36-38€ but the board pricing completely trash the price/perf ratio, oddly the 5350 cost 30-35% more than the G1840 and that s because the most sought parameter is power comsumption as a majority of the buyers here never power off their AM1 builds.

Mini ITX yes, Micro ATX no. Difference for those is about $8.

 

[Shivansps]

Instead of Athlon x4, I think AMD should have sold some quad cores with one CU disabled.

That would leave 64 stream processors for iGPU, which is enough for a server and helps lower idle power consumption compared to using discrete HD5450.

There is no need, you could add a Aspeed discrete video solution for next to nothing in the mb in case you want a Server AM1, basicly what everyones does with the Avotons MBs. BUT Avotons are FAR better equiped for server use, they are also expensive.

 

[Abwx]

Mini ITX yes, Micro ATX no. Difference for those is about $8.

Yes, for some reasons bigger boards are cheaper...
That extend to the FM2+ plateform where mini ITX are also overpriced, in this format AM1 is simply the most competitive, fortunately MBs prices have been announced prior to launch and still the retailers are gouging the prices once there s the slightest desirable feature over stock designs.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yes, for some reasons bigger boards are cheaper...

Smaller boards are "chic", didn't you get the memo.