AMD selling Athlon Kabinis

[jpiniero]

This is the first I've seen of this, but AMD is going to release Athlon Kabinis (ie: no GPU). Doesn't say what the price is, but I imagine it'd have to be super cheap. Still quad core and 25 W.

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/...nd_550_CPUs_sighted_in_CPU_support_lists.html

 

[DrMrLordX]

Huh. People using that one Asus board for Kabini overclocking might like this one. That's pretty niche, though. There are other potential uses for these x4s.

 

[Techhog]

... Why?

 

[Chicken76]

All Kabinis are called Athlons.

 

[Yuriman]

I fail to see the value in this. What are they for?

 

[mrmt]

I fail to see the value in this. What are they for?

Cheap, bottom of the barrel products. I see them as having more value than any of the single module Derpdozer parts.

 

[pw257008]

If these are priced around AM1 Sempron pricing, these look attractive for low power or low cost machines that require more GPU power than the AM1 Athlon iGPU provides.

 

[Yuriman]

If these are priced around AM1 Sempron pricing, these look attractive for low power or low cost machines that require more GPU power than the AM1 Athlon iGPU provides.

The iGPU is pretty well matched for Kabini's CPU. If I'm remembering correctly, adding a discrete card doesn't really provide any more performance in games over the iGPU, and any discrete card will make it considerably more expensive than something with an integrated GPU, unless they're giving them away. I don't think AM1 has enough PCI-e lanes for render farms either?

 

[pw257008]

The iGPU is pretty well matched for Kabini's CPU. If I'm remembering correctly, adding a discrete card doesn't really provide any more performance in games over the iGPU, and any discrete card will make it considerably more expensive than something with an integrated GPU, unless they're giving them away. I don't think AM1 has enough PCI-e lanes for render farms either?

In AT's review the Athlons put up higher FPS at 1080 with dGPU than at 1280x1024 with iGPU. Now, the review uses 770/7970, and at that level of GPU I fail to see the use of these new skus, but assuming those results hold to some extent for lower end dGPUs, Kabini with dGPU could make sense.

 

[Shivansps]

Only if they are at 2650/3850 prices could make sence, because anything over a 240 or 750 is highly worthless for kabini.

 

[Abwx]

The iGPU is pretty well matched for Kabini's CPU. If I'm remembering correctly, adding a discrete card doesn't really provide any more performance in games over the iGPU, and any discrete card will make it considerably more expensive than something with an integrated GPU, unless they're giving them away. I don't think AM1 has enough PCI-e lanes for render farms either?

http://semiaccurate.com/2014/04/16/adding-discrete-graphics-amds-am1-platform/

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Genera...rm-and-Athlon-5350-GTX-750-Ti-1080p-under-450

 

[Yuriman]

Consider me corrected.

I was looking at Anandtech's charts just before you posted, and saw results like this:

F1 2013
Minimum / Average
iGPU: 25.30 / 27.60
HD7970: 25.5 / 34.2

I had failed to note that they were not running the same graphical settings.

Still, not a great value considering a $30 Kabini quad (and a Kabini dual core APU currently runs about $40) + R240 is still ~$100, which is the same price as an A10-5800K or A8-6600K. Motherboards are a little cheaper for AM1 though.

 

[Shivansps]

its gona give better results, but it stills cpu bottleneck a 250/750, but the minimum FPS may be similar, becarefull on that.

Also nvidia cards are not a good match either, the PCI-E x4 hits nvidia performance more than AMD cards.

Sorry but im not going to take in consideration a test that compares a 5350 to a I7x, its not serious and highly biased.

 

[waffleironhead]

Does anyone know what is the clock for clock performance of kabini versus an old Athlon2 x4 620?

 

[cbn]

Regarding a match to a low end card like R7 240, we also have to keep in mind the Celeron G1820 (which actually has a better Passmark score than an Athlon 5350).

 

[Yuriman]

Does anyone know what is the clock for clock performance of kabini versus an old Athlon2 x4 620?

Check it out:

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/328?vs=106

EDIT: Kabini is around 20% faster per clock than Bobcat, and clocked a bit higher, so you'll have to infer a bit.

 

[geoxile]

Check it out:

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/328?vs=106

EDIT: Kabini is around 20% faster per clock than Bobcat, and clocked a bit higher, so you'll have to infer a bit.

Why?

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1223?vs=106

The Athlon 5350 is a Kabini (Jaguar architecture)

 

[frozentundra123456]

I could see a place for these in extreme low end systems, but it is absurd to spend the money for a decent dgpu and gimp yourself so much on the cpu. Only 3 games of the eight are playable at anything above borderline frame rates. A much more useful comparison would be against an FM2 athlon and a pentium. The BF4 results (Edit: in the SemiAccurate review cited by ABWX) look really weird too, as I think a GTX750 Ti should easily get more than 30 FPS with a powerful cpu.

As is Anand's own review anand BF4 results. How in the world he got those results is beyond me, as I think Anand's results are much more in line with what most sites obtain.

 

[cbn]

Check it out:

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/328?vs=106

EDIT: Kabini is around 20% faster per clock than Bobcat, and clocked a bit higher, so you'll have to infer a bit.

They do have Athlon 5350 in the bench too.

So he could compare 2.05 GHz quad core Jaguar to Athlon x4 620.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

All Kabinis are called Athlons.

Lol, except the Semprons.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

... Why?

Well, the Athlon 550 will be the fastest chip available on AM1 at 2.2 Ghz.
I guess if you wanted to game with a tiny ITX form factor -- it's as cheap as it gets.

I'd personally rather have the 5350 -- For such low end machines, I don't see the point in investing in a dedicated video card.

 

[Abwx]

its gona give better results, but it stills cpu bottleneck a 250/750, but the minimum FPS may be similar, becarefull on that.

Also nvidia cards are not a good match either, the PCI-E x4 hits nvidia performance more than AMD cards.

Sorry but im not going to take in consideration a test that compares a 5350 to a I7x, its not serious and highly biased.

The point in this test is to show what can be extracted from a 750ti at 1080p with two vastly different CPUs, so what is biaised.??.

 

[Enigmoid]

The 5350 is too weak to pair with a DGPU. As many results show many games will only hit 30 fps avg due to a CPU bottleneck and many will hit less.

 

[Yuriman]

The 5350 is too weak to pair with a DGPU. As many results show many games will only hit 30 fps avg due to a CPU bottleneck and many will hit less.

I suppose the next question to ask then is, what is the purpose of an iGPU-less quad core that isn't very good for gaming? We might see some of these used in linux-router builds, perhaps, or for networked storage, where a video card need only be used to set it up.

 

[mrmt]

Can it reach the sky? :awe: