wuliheron
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This latest 300 million is just the tip of the iceberg from what I can see. It'll be interesting to see how they pull it all together with their new 22nm process.
This latest 300 million is just the tip of the iceberg from what I can see. It'll be interesting to see how they pull it all together with their new 22nm process.
'Illiterate', you keep using the word but I don't think it means what you think it means. If I couldn't write a proper English sentence, I wouldn't insult others with 'illiterate'.
I saw a graphic designer work on its iPad the other day in the subway. He was doing some very nice sketches and re-touching of images. He was using this thick pen with soft ends as a pencil, I was very impressed by the quality of the stuff one can do on it. Unless a professional graphic artist's work is not considered 'serious' then yes, it's a 'toy'.
PS: Did I mention that some Canadian government agencies are field testing iPads? I guess civil servants don't do 'serious' work either right?
For any serious work, he ll have to rely on his worstation,Unless a professional graphic artist's work is not considered 'serious' then yes, it's a 'toy'.
and i doubt it s a light computer..
There can be some marginal utilty, as in the grafist case, but overall,
contrary to the current Apple marketing , there s no productivity
improvement that can be extracted from such gears, rather
the risk of the opposite occuring.
These items are for entertainement purpose...
As an aside, doesn't anyone get tired of holding an ipad upright? Surely it also strains your neck to stare downwards
'Serious work', you keep using that term but I don't think it means what you think it means. Will a programmer be able to switch his desktop to a pad? No not really. Engineer? No, not really.
However, you are extremely narrow minded because in the real world, quite a lot of people do simple tasks on computers: Email, enter data into some intranet application and mostly consume information. In all those cases a tablet PC from a locked down ecosystem is way better.
(1) No need for complex configurations, hardware is usually 1-2 models. (read: IT guys don't have to build complex images, no complex AD settings, IT guys are more productive)
(2) No need to pay for expensive support and/or training. (read: saves money)
(3) No need for anti malware, it's locked down. (read: IT personnel are way more productive because they don't waste time cleaning PCs and it saves money in the proces)
(4) Much lower TCO than PCs. (read: saves money).
Funny...Narrow minded ?...
And these tasks you re quoting , it s with a keyboardless tablet?..
I bet it has some vocal recognition software...
You are right, every person who works with computers must be able to type in 3000 words / second and also every person who works with computers must enter a *LOT* of data. And they have no choice, keyboard is the only option!
Oh wait ...
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What makes the dilbert funny is because it is true. This thread is full of dilbert's who can't fathom getting "serious" work done on anything less than a desktop/laptop and at the same time there is a whole generation of employees out there (I work with them everyday) who can't fathom tethering themselves to a grandpa box.
The debate isn't whether or not smartphones are displacing desktop/laptop in the workplace but rather the debate is are you going to give up your sliderule after having used it for 20yrs and learn how to use one of these newfangled toys (some might call it a fad) that is the electronic calculator?
Progress marches on, it is the duty of every aging generation to dismissively refer to the younger one's tools of productivity as the next fad.
In my day it was the internet. We'd never use the worly-wide-wibble to do any real work, the internet is just for punks and hackers (and stay at home mom-shoppers) as far as the private sector is concerned. The fad will pass and us engineers will get back to doing real work on our DX-enabled 486's!
The debate isn't whether or not smartphones are displacing desktop/laptop in the workplace but rather the debate is are you going to give up your sliderule after having used it for 20yrs and learn how to use one of these newfangled toys (some might call it a fad) that is the electronic calculator?
Progress marches on, it is the duty of every aging generation to dismissively refer to the younger one's tools of productivity as the next fad.
In my day it was the internet. We'd never use the worly-wide-wibble to do any real work, the internet is just for punks and hackers (and stay at home mom-shoppers) as far as the private sector is concerned. The fad will pass and us engineers will get back to doing real work on our DX-enabled 486's!
It's not really about resisting change, it's about the fact that every major technological breakthrough that actually gained ground thus far has offered palpable and ultimately undeniable advantages. That was the case with the internet (almost unlimited connectivity) but it's not the case with tablets. They are essentially laptops without the keyboard and the mouse/touchpad and with a less capable OS, all the while they are too large to be carried around in a pocket. In the modern age almost all lines of work (excluding the service and manufacturing sectors etc., but those are hardly what we're talking about here) involve inputting large amounts of text into a computer, and that simply can't be done efficiently or comfortably on a touch screen. I am fairly certain that some aspects of smartphones/tablets such as the use of app stores will be carried over into the PC world though.
I agree with your post. Having got a tablet the functions I performed on my laptop are now on an easy to use tablet. The laptop is now permanently hooked to my TV. Never will I carry that bulky thing around again!
Though I admit right now a lot of stuff isnt available or as easy on a tablet. I think that will completely change over the next 18-24 months as Windows 8 arrives, and with it surely a version of Office for ARM and any associated applications. Also 4-8 core ARM designs with relatively powerful GPUs give really great performance.
podspi
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IMHO, many of the smaller form factors are very limited, with their main advantage being portability. I think the next step are devices that are able to take on multiple form factors, like ASUS' Transformer and Padfone.
I was thinking about this the other day. With bluetooth, a tablet would work as a phone for me 90% of the time. The obvious exception to this is when I'm not in the office or at home. A device that was able to be both would be useful. Likewise, I don't think I could use a smartphone or tablet as a main computing device (even people who are "just" content consumers most of the time might want to write a long email occasionally!), but if my smartphone could dock into a laptop dock (like the Atrix, but make it more streamlined please!) that would be great.
Fact is, convenience IS important, and there is a huge demand for computing power for all sorts of things -- it just hasn't been convenient before now. The main issue with tablets and smartphones today is that they suffer from gorilla arm, but the ability to access information (as well as enter it, if even in relatively small quantities) away from the office is a huge game changer.
I was thinking about this the other day. With bluetooth, a tablet would work as a phone for me 90% of the time. The obvious exception to this is when I'm not in the office or at home. A device that was able to be both would be useful. Likewise, I don't think I could use a smartphone or tablet as a main computing device (even people who are "just" content consumers most of the time might want to write a long email occasionally!), but if my smartphone could dock into a laptop dock (like the Atrix, but make it more streamlined please!) that would be great.
Fact is, convenience IS important, and there is a huge demand for computing power for all sorts of things -- it just hasn't been convenient before now. The main issue with tablets and smartphones today is that they suffer from gorilla arm, but the ability to access information (as well as enter it, if even in relatively small quantities) away from the office is a huge game changer.
jhansman
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Ha! By the time I got to the last response in this thread, I forgot what the post was about. So, here's a thought: how about AMD has its hands full just trying to stay in the CPU market, and doesn't really need to scrabble to compete in another that is already overpopulated with mediocre offerings? Let's just see them get Bulldozer to market and generating competitive sales; then they can worry about getting a slice of the smartphone/tablet pie.
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The thing is, I'm not some "get of my lawn" grandpa. I'm in my 20s and I'm probably younger than more than a few people here. And even I have trouble seeing the productivity value in tablets.
The same applies to laptops vs desktops where for example I would have a 100MB video file to transcode and I have just so happen to be at a place where I would be waiting doing nothing (airport, etc). If I were to go with a laptop, I have the convenience of doing just that while waiting for my flight or use the desktop when I'm back at home.
Obviously the desktop has 10x the computing power and it is going to take 10x less time than my laptop to do the same job but the laptop provides me the convenience to do my work at a time space where I might be doing nothing. If I had to choose, I would rather go with the laptop which provides me such convenience although it has less processing power.
Then comes the tablet vs netbook of which both does almost the same thing, to keep me connected to the internet, nothing more nothing less. Surely the netbook provides me with more power and the comfort and tactility of a keyboard but I'm not writing a 3000 words essay when social networking favors short and simple sentences. FYI Twitter is limited to 140 characters.
Obviously the desktop has 10x the computing power and it is going to take 10x less time than my laptop to do the same job but the laptop provides me the convenience to do my work at a time space where I might be doing nothing. If I had to choose, I would rather go with the laptop which provides me such convenience although it has less processing power.
Then comes the tablet vs netbook of which both does almost the same thing, to keep me connected to the internet, nothing more nothing less. Surely the netbook provides me with more power and the comfort and tactility of a keyboard but I'm not writing a 3000 words essay when social networking favors short and simple sentences. FYI Twitter is limited to 140 characters.
But then you're kind of proving our point. That a tablet is intended for entertainment (twitter).
I'm trying to be a little more open to the idea of tablets. Looking at the ASUS Transformer, it does seem like it has a little potential.
I'm trying to be a little more open to the idea of tablets. Looking at the ASUS Transformer, it does seem like it has a little potential.
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True, but you must expand the potential of what it can offer as well. Let's just say that 10 years from now cloud computing is definitely not a fad and we're offloading compute intensive tasks to the cloud. Do we need a powerful PC to do that? As of now you could even do word processing with Google Docs. Want to do some simple image editing? There's Sumo Paint and it is all browser based. It just goes to show a somewhat powerful PC is not really necessary when some work can be browser based.
The issue being raised is more about the form factor than the performance capability (a notebook is not a significantly more capable machine).
jhansman
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OK, now I'll sound like an old fogey: I don't want to depend on the cloud for my data storage or much else, except retrieving info I can't get easily any other way. So yes, I believe we will need desktop systems in the future that keep us in local control and also give us access to the amazing amount of info (albeit spotty) we can get with a few mouse clicks ( or eye blinks, or whatever we're using in 2525). Portable computing is a fine idea, but I reckon it'll be a while longer before it can stand in for my desktop.
I find it easier to actually hold something like a tablet than a laptop. Would you rather have something that is fixed like a laptop with a clam shell approach or given a choice to have it either way like the Asus Transformer?
Donuts or bagel?
I'm not saying that desktop is going to ever die, I still give as much love to my desktop as I have too much data with me that is going to cost an arm to host it on the cloud. I'll just put whatever that is necessary and certainly not personal information that might end up in a sex scandal.
Just recently I moved all of my necessary data to Dropbox with 2GB free. I did this because I kept losing thumbdrives and the last thing I want is someone to look at what I have in it. With Dropbox, I lose nothing and I'm not worried till someone decides to hack Dropbox or Dropbox decides to violate their privacy policies.
jhansman
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Yes, those thumb drives do have a way of walking off. Still, your last sentence kinda makes my point. With a good set of hardware/software firewalls, I don't have to worry about anyone else seeing the vids of me and my harem of 22yr. coeds cavorting when I decide to run for public office.
Ummm, did I just post that? On the cloud?
At any rate, I hope AMD does stay out of the mobile market and concentrates on what they do best-keeping Intel honest!
podspi
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The cloud scares the heck out of me. I'm more of a personal cloud type of guy myself. I can access everything myself from my personal server, and if Google decides they no longer want me as a customer I haven't lost anything...
Lmao how I feel about tablets too.... also too heavy to really suit their purpose.
If your gonna do ground work, where you walk around all day holding a tablet, your arms will grow tired of it, its to heavy for its purpose (allowing work, while on the move).
If your the type that has a tablet and ends up sitting on a desk with it, when you do anything on it, a laptop really is a better way to go.
LOL_Wut_Axel
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Not really, no. I'm 18 and I'm not gonna pretend that just because something is newer it's more useful. In the case of tablets and smartphones, their form factor inherently makes them less useful for content creation and productivity. They're good for content consumption. Almost no one I know my age disagrees with that. Tablets are mostly for when you're around the house or going somewhere and you want something that you can carry around a bit easier than a small laptop and that has good battery life. For getting work done, laptops (that includes 11" and higher netbooks and ultra-portables) make a lot more sense most of the time.
Stop calling the greatest invention of mankind ever (to me) a "grandpa box"
I knew there was a reason I disliked Dilbert! (Ok, that's a big fat lie)I would want a tablet only as a great e-book reader (mine just died less than a month ago, so now I'm wondering if I should buy another e-book reader or just go ahead and buy a tablet) that also allows me to write notes and docs. Not really excited about the connectivity it affords, but that can't hurt.
Unless they start giving it a compiler (and a way to write source code that wouldn't limit me to 1 statement a minute), I don't see how I can do my "regular" work there, but my work also involves a lot of communications (email, docs, reviews), I can see a tablet being suited to this. The reason I have not yet jumped on it is that a current 10" netbook costs as much (or cheaper) and will allow me to do all that and much more, perhaps at the price of supposed portability and battery life.
Not really in a hurry to decide what to buy, but since we ended up talking about it in an AMD smartphone thread, decided to throw it out there.
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