AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

[Arachnotronic]

I don't know how Zen will perform and it's not a product I will likely buy. This thread is just the usual suspects doom and glooming. If it was any other company the same people would be quick to discount these results for obvious reasons. It's sad that you don't even have to read the OP. Just look at the title and the poster and you already know the contents.

This is thread capping and a personal attack rolled into one.

 

[DidelisDiskas]

What tdp is the amd cpu in the benchmarks rated at?

 

[Bryf50]

This is thread capping and a personal attack rolled into one.

This. Is. Zen.

 

[moonbogg]

I don't know how Zen will perform and it's not a product I will likely buy. This thread is just the usual suspects doom and glooming. If it was any other company the same people would be quick to discount these results for obvious reasons. It's sad that you don't even have to read the OP. Just look at the title and the poster and you already know the contents.

No. This isn't what's happening. I promise you that if AMD had good CPU's, there would be a lot more action in threads like this. Threads like this are getting more and more quiet. More and more gentle, like a dying animal struggling to let go.
Threads like this are not a series of troll posts. Instead, the many threads like this are the soft fabric squares that comprise the quilt upon which AMD's epitaph is lovingly sewn with red cotton letters, and sealed against the elements with gamer's tears; a quilt that will be gently draped over the casket of the single entity that once stood between gamers and the high prices of the only viable products that remain in the market of our collective gaming arsenals.

 

[The Stilt]

It seems that my "gut feeling" was right once again. Last week I went with a Intel CPU and nVidia graphics for the first time in nearly a decade

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Welcome to the dark side. It's expensive, but at least you aren't standing with a bag of soggy cardboard by the time you finish your build.

 

[4960X]

So they lied about the 40% IPC increase then?

 

[The Stilt]

So they lied about the 40% IPC increase then?

Nope. They just lost too much of frequency with 14nm LPP.

 

[mikk]

Not necessarily. Problem is that Zen clocks much lower than its predecessor and in some benchmarks/games the IPC gap to Intel is huge, something like 100%. For example Starcraft 2. AMDs advantage versus Intel Mainstream is the core count which isn't always a big advantage for gaming. As a result Zen looks poor in this benchmark.

 

[Warlent]

It's funny that nobody here is smart enough to realise that the linked benchmark shows a 6700k which is overclocked to 5GHz or higher.

See the best result of the 6700 at 3.4GHz which is basically the exact same CPU except at a lower clock rate.

• Average: 68.4 FPS

• Normal: 75.0FPS

• Medium Batch: 69.8FPS

• Heavy Batch: 61.8 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/e440453e-8f8d-4fca-a73f-2de853e6fd2e

compared to the heavily overclocked 6700k the OP posted

- Core i7-6700K 4C/8T - 4.0 GHz (2015 Skylake)
Average: 107.3 FPS
Normal batch: 125.7 FPS
Medium batch: 113.8 FPS
Heavy batch: 89.2 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/6096dd00-7e11-4368-b588-97413922f5c7

Let's compare the average 68.4 FPS and 107.3 FPS. 107.3/68.4*100= 156%
So that means the overclocked 6700k is 56% faster than the stock 6700.
That's a massive difference. Far bigger than a simple overclock to 4GHz would suggest.
If we multiplicate the stock clock rate of the 6700 at 3.4GHz with 156% the result would be 3.4GHZ*156/100=5.3GHz.

and 5.3GHz can actually be easily achieved with the 6700k.

It's also interesting to note that the game's FPS don't scale with more cores very well. See the result of this 16 core Xeon so this is most likely just a comparison of the single core performance which again mostly depends on the clock speed.

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/f37e31c4-299d-44d4-b5d2-40462a551e54

 

[know of fence]

I don't get the doom and gloom, Zen is just a wee better than Sandy Bridge. This result exactly lines up with expectations and the 40% better (than BD) IPC prediction.

According to the review guidelines for Sky Lake, Intel's newest architecture is 25% ahead of Sandy Bridge (and supposedly it's time to upgrade). 25% ipc difference isn't exactly competitive, but it isn't worlds apart either. Still better than a notebook processor say, not to mention you get 8 full cores.
All that is achieved at relatively low clocks. And if it's a <100W TDP it would be pretty amazing.

Competition isn't just about prices either, it's about offering other ways to solve similar engineering challenges. AMD FX line didn't waste half of the silicon on IGPU, for instance, which Intel still mandates.

And yeah, please only look at the RX 480 results, which you can specify in the filters. I don't think Ashes of the Singularity offers a separate CPU benchmark.

 

[Abwx]

Straight from Ashes of the Singularity's CPU benchmark:

- Summit Ridge 8C/16T ES - 2.8-3.2 GHz (2016/2017 Zen)
Average: 58.9 FPS
Normal batch: 65.8 FPS
Medium batch: 62.8 FPS
Heavy batch: 50.5 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/bfba4b4a-4b1e-4ab3-8f2f-2375321ea68b

- Core i7-980 6C/12T - 3.33 GHz (2010 Westmere)
Average: 58.6 FPS
Normal batch: 65.2 FPS
Medium batch: 59.7 FPS
Heavy batch: 52.3 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/45e74e9d-4b0c-4557-8225-a3b8664dd4a8

- Core i7-6700K 4C/8T - 4.0 GHz (2015 Skylake)
Average: 107.3 FPS
Normal batch: 125.7 FPS
Medium batch: 113.8 FPS
Heavy batch: 89.2 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/6096dd00-7e11-4368-b588-97413922f5c7

What you posted are not the fps that are achieved in Aots
:

What we also found really interesting with Ashes of the Singularity was our Average CPU Framerate stats. According to the benchmark, our CPU averages around 62fps. This number reflects the framerate that can be achieved when the CPU is not bottlenecked by the GPU.

These are the FPS :

- Summit Ridge 8C/16T ES - 2.8-3.2 GHz (2016/2017 Zen)
Average: 50.8 FPS
Normal batch: 58.1 FPS
Medium batch: 53.3 FPS
Heavy batch: 43.3 FPS

- Core i7-6700K 4C/8T - 4.0 GHz (2015 Skylake)
Average: 59.6 FPS
Normal batch: 69.2 FPS
Medium batch: 60.8 FPS
Heavy batch: 51.5 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/bfba4b4a-4b1e-4ab3-8f2f-2375321ea68b

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/6096dd00-7e11-4368-b588-97413922f5c7

That s your link of course....

 

[moonbogg]

What you posted are not the fps that are achieved in Aots
:


These are the FPS :

- Summit Ridge 8C/16T ES - 2.8-3.2 GHz (2016/2017 Zen)
Average: 50.8 FPS
Normal batch: 58.1 FPS
Medium batch: 53.3 FPS
Heavy batch: 43.3 FPS

- Core i7-6700K 4C/8T - 4.0 GHz (2015 Skylake)
Average: 59.6 FPS
Normal batch: 69.2 FPS
Medium batch: 60.8 FPS
Heavy batch: 51.5 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/bfba4b4a-4b1e-4ab3-8f2f-2375321ea68b

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/6096dd00-7e11-4368-b588-97413922f5c7

That s your link of course....

Are these numbers the real comparison? I feel as if I've been tricked.

 

[mikk]

It's funny that nobody here is smart enough to realise that the linked benchmark shows a 6700k which is overclocked to 5GHz or higher.

See the best result of the 6700 at 3.4GHz which is basically the exact same CPU except at a lower clock rate.

• Average: 68.4 FPS

• Normal: 75.0FPS

• Medium Batch: 69.8FPS

• Heavy Batch: 61.8 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/e440453e-8f8d-4fca-a73f-2de853e6fd2e

compared to the heavily overclocked 6700k the OP posted

- Core i7-6700K 4C/8T - 4.0 GHz (2015 Skylake)
Average: 107.3 FPS
Normal batch: 125.7 FPS
Medium batch: 113.8 FPS
Heavy batch: 89.2 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/9ea1e763-93f4-4954-be0a-7b6dc6682699


Maybe you should compare this with an AMD GPU.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

First of all, Bryf50 is completely correct. That is neither thread-crapping nor a personal insult, and anyway the truth is an absolute defence against libel charges.

Second: I am going to be ALL OVER THIS. Linux runs better than Windows on AMD hardware, particularly Gentoo since you can tell GCC to target the uarch specifically. This looks like it's going to be the lovechild of an FX-8320e and an i7-5820K. If this is priced around the same as a 6700 or the Xeon equivalent, it's perfect.

 

[nerp]

I seriously hope that all of that is fake and this is an early sample of the chip or something.

As we all do, Intel needs competition from AMD and consumers can do well with additional options. It's not looking good, though, if you're being a realist here. But I think we all could do well by waiting until real tests come out from reputable sources.

No. This isn't what's happening. I promise you that if AMD had good CPU's, there would be a lot more action in threads like this. Threads like this are getting more and more quiet. More and more gentle, like a dying animal struggling to let go.
Threads like this are not a series of troll posts. Instead, the many threads like this are the soft fabric squares that comprise the quilt upon which AMD's epitaph is lovingly sewn with red cotton letters, and sealed against the elements with gamer's tears; a quilt that will be gently draped over the casket of the single entity that once stood between gamers and the high prices of the only viable products that remain in the market of our collective gaming arsenals.

Thank you for bringing some poetry to the Anandtech forums.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I dont know how I feel about this now... I guess I should just be glad I just bought into skylake yesterday, but for what ever reason I feel kinda hurt cause I was really looking forward to Zen
Maybe we will still get lucky and something like the drivers weren't optimized or something..

 

[SlowSpyder]

True, but I wouldnt bet on final silicon being significantly better either.

Do you know how close this is to final silicon (I have no idea)? I've seen ES chips in the past where the clocks haven't been dialed in and the dynamic clocks (turbo, power saving, etc.) aren't working much at all. I have no idea if this is 99% what the final product will be or much further away... that's what I was getting at with my comment, it is one bench on an ES. I wouldn't stick a fork in it yet, as some seem to have already declared.

 

[DidelisDiskas]

I dont know how I feel about this now... I guess I should just be glad I just bought into skylake yesterday, but for what ever reason I feel kinda hurt cause I was really looking forward to Zen
Maybe we will still get lucky and something like the drivers weren't optimized or something..

Looks at the posts above you.

 

[know of fence]

Seems like results have been removed, did anyone take a screenshot?

 

[mnewsham]

Do you know how close this is to final silicon (I have no idea)? I've seen ES chips in the past where the clocks haven't been dialed in and the dynamic clocks (turbo, power saving, etc.) aren't working much at all. I have no idea if this is 99% what the final product will be or much further away... that's what I was getting at with my comment, it is one bench on an ES. I wouldn't stick a fork in it yet, as some seem to have already declared.

I agree, it would be stupid to try to declare Zen a failure based on this, i'm just saying keep expectations low and I wouldnt be shocked by similar clockspeeds upon release silicon.

 

[Abwx]

Are these numbers the real comparison? I feel as if I've been tricked.

The same guy but with a RX460 :

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/8598fc43-c149-434a-8d14-71ffd26bca41

Do the conclusions you want...

 

[jpiniero]

The same guy but with a RX460 :
Do the conclusions you want...

CPU frame rate is what matters, right? Yes?

 

[Abwx]

CPU frame rate is what matters, right? Yes?

No, what matters is the framerate, CPU frame rate is not related to the bench itself but is a theorical limit computed by Aots.

Here the 480 and the 460 with the same CPU :

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/6096dd00-7e11-4368-b588-97413922f5c7

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/8598fc43-c149-434a-8d14-71ffd26bca41

 

[Sweepr]

It's funny that nobody here is smart enough to realise that the linked benchmark shows a 6700k which is overclocked to 5GHz or higher.

See the best result of the 6700 at 3.4GHz which is basically the exact same CPU except at a lower clock rate.

• Average: 68.4 FPS

• Normal: 75.0FPS

• Medium Batch: 69.8FPS

• Heavy Batch: 61.8 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/e440453e-8f8d-4fca-a73f-2de853e6fd2e

What's next, are you going to say this non-K 6700 is overclocked to 5 GHz+ as well?

• Average: 105.6 FPS

• Normal: 118.2 FPS

• Medium Batch: 109.2 FPS

• Heavy Batch: 92.7 FPS

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/9ea1e763-93f4-4954-be0a-7b6dc6682699

Please drop the excuses.

and 5.3GHz can actually be easily achieved with the 6700k.

LOL