FlanK3r
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The progression does not suggest that the official Blender build is optimized enough to be considered a credible benchmark for comparing construction core CPUs with Ryzen.I really dont get what you are trying to point out with these random bunch of numbers.
I really dont get what you are trying to point out with these random bunch of numbers.
The progression does not suggest that the official Blender build is optimized enough to be considered a credible benchmark for comparing construction core CPUs with Ryzen.
The Stilt's builds call the official builds into question greatly. Ancient AMD processors should not beat much newer ones nor should Lynnfield beat or tie Sandy. In the case of Lynnfield the program would have to either benefit a whole lot from not having SMT enabled or it would not be using recent instructions.
The Stilt's "SIMD" build shows a minor performance increase over 2.78a on Lynnfield and his "AVX2" build shows a minor performance hit. All official builds scale from slowest and newest, 2.78a, to fastest and oldest, 2.75a.
On Piledriver the exact same scaling occurs with the official builds. Yet, both of The Stilt's builds are much much faster.
Piledriver is being killed by Phenom and even ancient AMD processors in 2.78a.
This suggests that Piledriver isn't being granted access to modern instructions, in a manner reminiscent of the GenuineIntel scandal. Something is amiss.
Your addition of an ad hominem to the argument you made in an earlier post doesn't make the data fit your conclusion.You are arguing backwards from the conclusion that you want (Piledriver just cannot be worse than K10 since its newer) then saying the data is tainted, instead of arguing forwards from the data to what the conclusion should be given that data (Piledriver isn't great running 2.78a relative to other processors - truth).
An illogical argument.Stilt's builds was not what was run by AMD during the Blender Demo... so its not useful for comparison purposes for this thread
How about just figure out why The Stilt's builds improve performance dramatically on recent CPUs by both Intel and AMD but not with an old Intel CPU like Lynnfield.There is nothing in this data that says blender code is bad,
But we know lots of issues with bulldozer that could have an impact.
Should i start listing them?
JackCY said:4690K @ 4.5GHz, 150 samples
00:48.34, 2.78 SIMD
01:24.73, 2.78a
That's 43% less time
50% time = 100% faster = +100% = 2x speed = 200% speed
57% time = should be 75.279% faster
How about just figure out why The Stilt's builds improve performance dramatically on recent CPUs by both Intel and AMD but not with an old Intel CPU like Lynnfield.
This is nothing new. This was my biggest issue with Bulldozer arch.. it was often worse than the previous architectures from AMD. Yes some new features and instructions made it faster in rare scenarios but overall Bulldozer was a regression in performance compared to K10.Ancient AMD processors should not beat much newer ones
Lynnfield tied Sandy in that data posted which suggests AVX isn't being used for Sandy, if anything, in the stock Blender builds.Lynnfield doesn't support AVX, Intel added it with Sandy Bridge.
How does it run on K10?
19,815 25:14 min AMD E-350 Zacate 2C/2T, 1.6 GHz, kein Turbo, DDR3-1066 SC
20,222 08:36 min AMD A8-4500M Trinity 2C/4T, 2.3 GHz, kein Turbo, DDR3-1333 DC
21,428 00:50 min 2x AMD Opteron 6380 Abu Dhabi
Lynnfield tied Sandy in that data posted which suggests AVX isn't being used for Sandy, if anything, in the stock Blender builds.
AVX period, let alone AVX2.It does suggest that the stock builds aren't using the AVX(2) compiler options.
the 8150 from 2011 had AVX, right?
So, stock Blender builds are a terrible benchmark unless one wants to go back to, eh, mid-2011 or so. Let's be generous and say 2012.Correct, AMD added AVX support with Bulldozer.
So, stock Blender builds are a terrible benchmark unless one wants to go back to, eh, mid-2011 or so. Let's be generous and say 2012.
No not really, you are not understanding what has happened. by your logic 99% real world apps aren't good benchmarks ( think about that)So, stock Blender builds are a terrible benchmark unless one wants to go back to, eh, mid-2011 or so. Let's be generous and say 2012.
This is nothing new. This was my biggest issue with Bulldozer arch.. it was often worse than the previous architectures from AMD. Yes some new features and instructions made it faster in rare scenarios but overall Bulldozer was a regression in performance compared to K10.
You are basically re-discovering what we knew back in 2011 when BD came out.
Just die shrinking Thuban to 32nm would have yielded an all around better CPU back when BD came out.
8.04 is also faster than i7-2600K (score 7.24) for CB MT....
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2600K score 6.51 in Cinebench 11.5 while the FX8350 score 6.92...
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Short answer, no . long answer no.....lolFixed... thanks.
btw, any processor gurus see any bottle necks in the Zen design vs. say K10, and BD (or any of the recent Intel designs)?
Short answer, no . long answer no.....lol
The only question is about 256bit throughput and how far behind >haswell it is per clock.
The core itself looks very solid base with one or two interesting things thrown in ( the FMA Bridge style FPU , the stack engine/memfile and the load store pipeline ). What will be interesting is to see how Zen grows and will we see a updated Zen in early/mid 2018 on GF 14nm HP before a "Zen+" in something like 2019.