AMD Ryzen SKU and Price Information/Speculation.

[Agent-47]

The price delta is for Zen with 8C+SMT, so it lifts the performance of that, not of a 8C Vishera. And the amount of dies you get for this SKU are likely much less than for the lower SKUs due to binning.

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Yes both CPUs are 8c16t. Making the delta overly ambitious.

Even if the yeild fir the higher SKU is lower to begin with, to a customer the only thing that matters is how much performance he gain per extra dollar. I don't see many rushing out to buy it at higher price (33% increase) because it is difficult to produce with marginal gains (5% increase).

If what you say is right, this CPU will have very limited availability and the high price will ensure that no one will realize its out of stock most of the time. But the reviews will have and winning more benchmarks than it would otherwise win with the lower clocked SKU. Clever, but a little distasteful.

 

[Agent-47]

Dude, Intel charge $180 for 200Mhz and some artificially gimped PCI-e lanes.

Which SKU? At least it has a "artificially gimped PCI-e lanes.”

i5 7400 and 7500 has a £15 difference over 400 Mhz

 

[rancherlee]

Which SKU? At least it has a "artificially gimped PCI-e lanes.”

i5 7400 and 7500 has a £15 difference over 400 Mhz

The 6c/12t Intel chips, the 6800k and 6850K have a ~150-200$ price difference for 200mhz and 12pci lanes.

 

[norseamd]

Given the $500 price point, I will definitely be waiting to see how the release turns out, and probably waiting for the next cycle if I ever decide to upgrade. Hopefully the prices will eventually come down. How much are the motherboards going to cost at launch?

 

[Agent-47]

The 6c/12t Intel chips, the 6800k and 6850K have a ~150-200$ price difference for 200mhz and 12pci lanes.

Aaaa. Did not realize that. Even though it does have extra pcie lanes, I still feel its not justified, for either cases. If the prices are correct there has to be added features in 1800k that the lower sku does not have.

We saw what happened to fx 9xxx series.

 

[LTC8K6]

The 6c/12t Intel chips, the 6800k and 6850K have a ~150-200$ price difference for 200mhz and 12pci lanes.

Well, I think you have to artificially inflate the price in some cases, or the lower chip will not sell.
A lot fewer people would buy the 6800K if the 6850K was only a little more money.

If chip A is $500 and chip B is 200mhz faster and only $550, most of us aren't going to buy chip A.
If we are already spending $500 on the CPU, then $550 is nothing and we might as well.

If chip A is $500 and chip B is 200mhz faster and $700, more of us will buy chip A.

 

[Ancalagon44]

The price of the 8C CPUs makes me quite excited that I could get a good deal on a 4C/8T CPU.

 

[Agent-47]

If chip A is $500 and chip B is 200mhz faster and $700, more of us will buy chip A.

Debatable. Considering both are unlocked CPUs . I would not.

If they are similarly priced, they won't sell the cheaper chip either, true. Hence the need for the cheaper chip to be locked either in terms of multiplier or cache which would justify a higher delta of 90 pounds. But AMD is not doing that I think

 

[CatMerc]

CPCHardware clarified that a such a part could indeed exist.

 

[LTC8K6]

Debatable. Considering both are unlocked CPUs . I would not.

If they are similarly priced, they won't sell the cheaper chip either, true. Hence the need for the cheaper chip to be locked either in terms of multiplier or cache which would justify a higher delta of 90 pounds. But AMD is not doing that I think

It wouldn't make too much business sense to release two unlocked chips at the same time that overclock the same, though. In that case, people will soon figure out that they can get the same result for a lot less money. Then you won't be selling many of the higher priced chips.

It would make more sense to release one chip priced midway.

Or release the two chips a month or more apart.

 

[LTC8K6]

CPCHardware clarified that a such a part could indeed exist.

But that's not what he said, imo...

"AMD is not currently validating any 8C part @ 65W (nor any 8C part without SMT)"

 

[CatMerc]

But that's not what he said, imo...

"AMD is not currently validating any 8C part @ 65W (nor any 8C part without SMT)"

They can release slightly modded parts w/o full tech valid

^

 

[Agent-47]

^

http://www.hardwareschotte.de/preisvergleich/Amd-Ryzen-7-1700-Wraith-p22037535

I don't understand. Apparently, the 1700 non-X will have fully unlocked XFR and will come with wraith cooler@65W and a (boost?) clock of 3.7Ghz.

Does anyone know if the boost clock is achieved outside of the stated TDP or not?

EDIT: maybe the price difference between the 1800x and 1700x model is the clockspeed + a AIO cooler.

 

[Vaporizer]

I really hate AMD's marketing. Why continue to go with 7/5/3 naming scheme? This is a brand new platform, these idiots need to break free from the old AMD and quit copying Intel in their naming schemes (who copied BMW lol)

8/6/4 would have been much better.

 

[CatMerc]

http://www.hardwareschotte.de/preisvergleich/Amd-Ryzen-7-1700-Wraith-p22037535

I don't understand. Apparently, the 1700 non-X will have fully unlocked XFR and will come with wraith cooler@65W and a (boost?) clock of 3.7Ghz.

Does anyone know if the boost clock is achieved outside of the stated TDP or not?

EDIT: maybe the price difference between the 1800x and 1700x model is the clockspeed + a AIO cooler.

Actually 1700 might not come with XFR. It will be unlocked as AMD stated, but XFR could be a feature reserved for "X" models.

 

[LTC8K6]

^

Wow, he's never wrong.

 

[Doom2pro]

Updated first post with more details and specs for the 65W SKU from here: http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-cpu-specs-confirmed/ which is really from here: http://www.hardwareschotte.de/preisvergleich/Amd-Ryzen-7-1700-Wraith-p22037535

• Product ID : YD1700BBAEBOX
• Processor: Summit Ridge Octa-Core (8 Cores /16 Threads )
• Frequency: 3.7 GHz
• TDP ( Thermal Design Power ) : 65 Watt
• Socket: AM4
• Package: Boxed With Wraith Cooler
• Memory Support: Dual-Channel DDR4-2400
• List Price (Bulk) : $316 ( Expected retail price ~$320 )

Product

Ryzen 7 1700
Cores 8
Threads 16
Guaranteed Frequency 3.7Ghz
Boost Frequency Unlimited ( Cooling Dependent )
Frequency Multiplier Adjustment ( for overclocking purposes ) Unlocked
Power 65W
Manufacturing Process 14nm
L1-Cache 8x 64 KiB
L2-Cache 8x 512 KiB
L3-Cache 16 MiB
Features & Instruction Set Extensions MMX(+) • SSE • SSE2 • SSE3 • SSSE3 (Intel SSE4) • SSE4a (AMD SSE4) • SSSE4.1 • SSSE4.2 • AES • ABM • AVX • FMA3 • FMA4 • F16C • XOP • SMT (Simultaneous Multithreading) • AMD-V (Compute Virtualization) • VT-d/Vi (I/O MMU Virtualization) • x86-64/EM64T • NX-Bit/XD-Bit • EVP • TBT 3.0 (Turbo Core 3.0)
Power Efficiency FeaturesCool'n'Quiet • CoolCore Technology • Enhanced Halt State (C1E) • Deep Power Down (C6)

 

[Ertaz]

Updated first post with more details and specs for the 65W SKU from here: http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-cpu-specs-confirmed/ which is really from here: http://www.hardwareschotte.de/preisvergleich/Amd-Ryzen-7-1700-Wraith-p22037535

• Product ID : YD1700BBAEBOX
• Processor: Summit Ridge Octa-Core (8 Cores /16 Threads )
• Frequency: 3.7 GHz
• TDP ( Thermal Design Power ) : 65 Watt
• Socket: AM4
• Package: Boxed With Wraith Cooler
• Memory Support: Dual-Channel DDR4-2400
• List Price (Bulk) : $316 ( Expected retail price ~$320 )

Product

Ryzen 7 1700
Cores 8
Threads 16
Guaranteed Frequency 3.7Ghz
Boost Frequency Unlimited ( Cooling Dependent )
Frequency Multiplier Adjustment ( for overclocking purposes ) Unlocked
Power 65W
Manufacturing Process 14nm
L1-Cache 8x 64 KiB
L2-Cache 8x 512 KiB
L3-Cache 16 MiB
Features & Instruction Set Extensions MMX(+) • SSE • SSE2 • SSE3 • SSSE3 (Intel SSE4) • SSE4a (AMD SSE4) • SSSE4.1 • SSSE4.2 • AES • ABM • AVX • FMA3 • FMA4 • F16C • XOP • SMT (Simultaneous Multithreading) • AMD-V (Compute Virtualization) • VT-d/Vi (I/O MMU Virtualization) • x86-64/EM64T • NX-Bit/XD-Bit • EVP • TBT 3.0 (Turbo Core 3.0)
Power Efficiency FeaturesCool'n'Quiet • CoolCore Technology • Enhanced Halt State (C1E) • Deep Power Down (C6)

Interesting. I can't wait to read the reviews.

 

[inf64]

"Guaranteed Frequency 3.7Ghz" is fishy. Where did they get this information from? Guaranteed under what workloads?

 

[Arachnotronic]

"Guaranteed Frequency 3.7Ghz" is fishy. Where did they get this information from? Guaranteed under what workloads?

WCCFTech has never been a site that prides itself on proper sourcing or even accuracy. Just wait a little longer, the chips will be out soon enough.

 

[LTC8K6]

Now it has XFR. Earlier it didn't.

 

[PPB]

Problem is, CPC just means that it can indeed be called a 65W sku, not that it will operate at that tdp in reality.

This is really expected, if 1700 real tdp was indeed 65w, we would be looking at an engineering marvel and a godly undervolting architecture, if such a low clock speed difference could indeeed imply almost 2x tdp difference (1700 at real 65w, 1800x at a little bit over 95w just like CPC tested their 3.6/4 sample).

If that would hold true. Then I would not fear for Intel's desktop and HEDT revenue, I would really start looking at future mobile market share because an architecture that loves to scale downwards in tdp is indeed a wonderful product for the sub 35w tdp enviorment.

PS: This would mean we are looking at another broadwell C type of product and anything above 4.5 would be really difficult, either by a vcore limit or by a power consumption-vrm amperage one.

 

[LTC8K6]

"Guaranteed Frequency 3.7Ghz" is fishy. Where did they get this information from? Guaranteed under what workloads?

These terms are turning me off.

Unlimited boost frequency...

 

[Agent-47]

"Guaranteed Frequency 3.7Ghz" is fishy. Where did they get this information from? Guaranteed under what workloads?

Wcc is being a rubbish bin again.

A guaranteed frequency literally means base clock, as turbo clock cannot be maintained for a prolonged period of time.

 

[Phynaz]

WCCFTech has never been a site that prides itself on proper sourcing or even accuracy. Just wait a little longer, the chips will be out soon enough.

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