AMD Ryzen SKU and Price Information/Speculation.

[SPBHM]

what I'm worried about is motherboard prices/availability

if confirmed, the $129 quad core looks fine if IPC is not far from Haswell, also if you can OC cheaper models and with cheaper chipsets that's going to be a huge win, but if IPC is not there, it might not look great against the much cheaper G4560 (which can be used with some $50 boards)

in any case, the rumored quad cores look very appealing right now.

 

[jpiniero]

We're so close of comparing $200 i5 6500 vs. $129 R3 1100 + $100 RX 460 it's not even funny anymore.

Well it's more like $180 7400 vs $129 1100 + $70 460 but yeah.

 

[Phynaz]

what I'm worried about is motherboard prices/availability

What I'm concerned about is the chipset is made by ASMedia.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well it's more like $180 7400 vs $129 1100 + $70 460 but yeah.

Seems like they are price positioned to battle the high clocks of the i3-7XXX chips, though.
I guess it remains to be seen if higher clocks can battle more cores. Probably where ipc becomes important.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

For Intel it makes some sense though. Most i5 chips probably have functional SMT circuits but they couldn't clock high enough within TDP limits to be an i7 so the HT gets turned off and they get sold as an i5. Since all Ryzen is a single die, it seems rather unlikely that they'd be unable to make salvage parts clock as high, especially since there's extra dead cores to soak and spread the heat around.

Also Inel locked down the lower end chips. If any Ryzen can OC with the right board, AMD might have problems selling the high end chips, just like when you could unlock the 4th core in their three core CPUs. Why buy the top model if you can spend less and gamble on getting similar performance with good odds?

To me or you, or about anyone else here, sure. But most people don't OC, and aren't the least bit interested in learning.

The word around the water cooler is that the non-x versions won't auto-oc either. XFR or w/e it's called. Anyways, at stock settings there would likely be a notable difference between the 1700x and the 1700, because of that fact.

The people that don't OC would get value out of the more expensive x versions.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

There are expensive AM4 boards as well, some of them are more expensive than cheap socket 2011-v3 boards today.

Where have you seen board prices?

 

[Doom2pro]

This helps break down all the different models...

 

[Crumpet]

"Leaked" Australian board prices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H5NxIevkrM

Not watched it myself yet though. Can't listen to it until the missus has stopped watching Mary Poppins...

 

[Ajay]

What I'm concerned about is the chipset is made by ASMedia.

At least with more functionality on the CPU, it shouldn't be a repeat of Thunderbird with VIA chipsets...I hope

 

[DrMrLordX]

Been looking for 8c/16t for a budget multiple-VM host/research workbench, but can't decide yet which of the 8 cores to choose until benchmark comes out. The only thing that bothers me is the currently stupidly high DDR4 price which I need quite a lot of it.

Don't expect DDR4 prices to get much better. The worst part is that it's the lower-end DDR4 that has risen most in price. The "enthusiast" kits are not moving much, though some are selling out.

Zen Buddhist don't really care

Of course they don't.

At least with more functionality on the CPU, it shouldn't be a repeat of Thunderbird with VIA chipsets...I hope

Yeah let's not repeat that mess. It's not like every part of the Ryzen SoC is developed in-house (IMC is . . . RAMBUS?), but at least AMD can apply some QC before letting stuff go prime-time. Not like in the old days.

 

[Doom2pro]

Don't expect DDR4 prices to get much better. The worst part is that it's the lower-end DDR4 that has risen most in price. The "enthusiast" kits are not moving much, though some are selling out.



Of course they don't.



Yeah let's not repeat that mess. It's not like every part of the Ryzen SoC is developed in-house (IMC is . . . RAMBUS?), but at least AMD can apply some QC before letting stuff go prime-time. Not like in the old days.

Yes we can be assured any IP inside the Processor is going to be fine and tested thoroughly, the external chipsets are also a bit better because they come from one supplier only.

 

[lobz]

$175 for 4C/8T is good value.
$129 for 4C/4T is not a good value because Pentium G4560 which is 2C/4T is half the price.
The 4C/4T model needs to hit $100 to be good value.

I'm not sure right now if you can see the difference between the numbers 2 and 4. By your logic, nobody ever should by an i5 CPU again, even if Ryzen gets canceled.

 

[mohit9206]

I'm not sure right now if you can see the difference between the numbers 2 and 4. By your logic, nobody ever should by an i5 CPU again, even if Ryzen gets canceled.

But performance is what matters. If G4560 outperforms the $130 ryzen quad core in games then Pentium will be the better option for budget gaming cpu.
Amd have their athlon quad cores for around $70. So with ryzen they need a cheap quad core under $100 like athlon to be competitive with intel.

 

[coercitiv]

If G4560 outperforms the $130 ryzen quad core in games then Pentium will be the better option for budget gaming cpu.

Indeed, if G4560 outperforms an unlocked Haswell i5 in games then the Pentium will the better option for budget gaming cpu.

 

[greatnoob]

Also, I am sure there is no economic model that can represent fanboyism purchases I like to think there are more intel fanboys compared to amd ones, especially considering it has been 15-18 years since K6/Thunderbird/K8 days.

Think of a kinked demand curve except the demand and revenue slope are positioned upwards of the original demand curve at some price level where q < equilibrium.

 

[CatMerc]

Well Intel is working on their new kabylake CPUs namely i7-7740K and i5-7640K. More information herehttps://forums.arctotal.com/threads/will-intel-i7-7740k-and-i5-7640k-defeat-amd-ryzen.610/. And Intel is confident that they can tackle AMD's RYZEN with these models.

Like they were confident Ryzen will be a joke and won't present a threat?

There's no way for Intel to escape without hurting their bottom line. Ryzen will shake things up, and no Intel response aside from getting a large IPC uplift out of nowhere will change that.

 

[bjt2]

Well Intel is working on their new kabylake CPUs namely i7-7740K and i5-7640K. More information herehttps://forums.arctotal.com/threads/will-intel-i7-7740k-and-i5-7640k-defeat-amd-ryzen.610/. And Intel is confident that they can tackle AMD's RYZEN with these models.

If I remember well, they are for socket 2066. A quadchannel HEDT platform. That should cost a little more than AM4 boards...

 

[CatMerc]

Intel can escape if they reduce there product prices by half. Or it will take them time to make newer models. Now, no one knows what RYZEN is gonna offer to us and so does Intel. Intel probably will be working hard to find something new..

...without hurting their bottom line.

 

[lobz]

Well Intel is working on their new kabylake CPUs namely i7-7740K and i5-7640K. More information herehttps://forums.arctotal.com/threads/will-intel-i7-7740k-and-i5-7640k-defeat-amd-ryzen.610/. And Intel is confident that they can tackle AMD's RYZEN with these models.

Yes. Good luck tackling an entire range of hyper agressively priced, competitive CPUs with one 4C/4T and one 4C/8T, presumable fairly expensive CPU that fit only into expensive X299 motherboards.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well Intel is working on their new kabylake CPUs namely i7-7740K and i5-7640K. More information herehttps://forums.arctotal.com/threads/will-intel-i7-7740k-and-i5-7640k-defeat-amd-ryzen.610/. And Intel is confident that they can tackle AMD's RYZEN with these models.

I doubt Intel is attempting to tackle RyZen with Kabylake-X LGA 2066 chips. Especially since these chips must have been in the pipeline for quite a while now.

 

[ultimatebob]

Yes. Good luck tackling an entire range of hyper agressively priced, competitive CPUs with one 4C/4T and one 4C/8T, presumable fairly expensive CPU that fit only into expensive X299 motherboards.

I wouldn't get too cocky. If Intel decided to start a price war with AMD on their new products, they could put them out of business pretty quickly.

 

[scannall]

I wouldn't get too cocky. If Intel decided to start a price war with AMD on their new products, they could put them out of business pretty quickly.

The problem with that is their shareholders would hold a public lynching. And perhaps a burning at the stake. Particularly after they flushed 20 billion or so down the toilet with a very bad attempt at breaking into mobile. Further, AMD shields them from monopoly oversight. There really is no upside to a price war with AMD. And since their bread and butter is in the server space, they really don't want to harm those margins at all.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

I wouldn't get too cocky. If Intel decided to start a price war with AMD on their new products, they could put them out of business pretty quickly.

And then they would be sued to oblivion for being a monopoly... Get real! Intel needs AMD now as much as they did when AMD was first founded.

Besides, slashing their prices would hurt their profits.

PS: You aren't on team intel, so I don't see why you are being so defensive.

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Anyways, new amd pricing leaked.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

 

[plopke]

I am still curious if Ryzen will actually sell , I will buy one myself very likely. But so many times in history AMD just does not sell even if they have the better product.

P4 vs Athlon 64x days , people still bought Intel even if I showed them for their budget a P4 was not optimal.
AMD vs NVIDIA , I advise NVIDIA a lot but for example a super deal on a RX470 for less than a 1050Ti , with only performance in their minds they still go , "but NVIDIA...?"

Intel , NVIDIA marketing team absolutely crushes AMD. All the big youtube/twitch streamers get free 6950 / 1080 , while they themself are absolutely clueless about hardware and for the next 4-5 years keeps saying they use NVIDIA , Intel. I am always baffled that streamers with thousands of subscribers don't see they are giving intel/Nvidia the cheapest PR ever to thousands of potential buyers(lot of them young kids who are very easy to influence).