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Noid

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Not sure if it's the right thread for this, but I'm having a weird issue with my new 5600x. My system is 100% stable in stress tests (cinebench, blender, etc) and gaming but crashes (freeze followed by black screen) when resuming from very long idle times (multiple hours).

Very simple PBO settings (-20 undervolt, +100 MHz), 3200C16 RAM @ XMP, latest AGESA installed.

Any ideas what the issue could be?
Right place ...

I believe one of your core undervolt is too low.
( not enough power at idle )
There are similar problems with undervolting.
 
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Shmee

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Still quite pleased with my replacement 5900X. The first one would randomly BSOD at stock, even without XMP. Anyway, a great CPU.
 

B-Riz

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Not sure if it's the right thread for this, but I'm having a weird issue with my new 5600x. My system is 100% stable in stress tests (cinebench, blender, etc) and gaming but crashes (freeze followed by black screen) when resuming from very long idle times (multiple hours).

Very simple PBO settings (-20 undervolt, +100 MHz), 3200C16 RAM @ XMP, latest AGESA installed.

Any ideas what the issue could be?
What board?
 

Kenmitch

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Not sure if it's the right thread for this, but I'm having a weird issue with my new 5600x. My system is 100% stable in stress tests (cinebench, blender, etc) and gaming but crashes (freeze followed by black screen) when resuming from very long idle times (multiple hours).

Very simple PBO settings (-20 undervolt, +100 MHz), 3200C16 RAM @ XMP, latest AGESA installed.

Any ideas what the issue could be?
How did you apply the -20v ? All cores aren't created equally so a generic all size fits all offset sometimes doesn't work out in the end.

What's the end goal? Higher boosting? Lower watts?
 

Makaveli

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Not sure if it's the right thread for this, but I'm having a weird issue with my new 5600x. My system is 100% stable in stress tests (cinebench, blender, etc) and gaming but crashes (freeze followed by black screen) when resuming from very long idle times (multiple hours).

Very simple PBO settings (-20 undervolt, +100 MHz), 3200C16 RAM @ XMP, latest AGESA installed.

Any ideas what the issue could be?
If your system is crashing at idle its not stable.

Is that -20 undervolt for C0 set to all core or per core?

If you take PBO off do you still get crashing at idle? My gut is telling me your undervolt is too aggressive and you may have go with -15 or -10. If you check the event viewer log is there an entry for the crash?
 

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How did you apply the -20v ? All cores aren't created equally so a generic all size fits all offset sometimes doesn't work out in the end.

What's the end goal? Higher boosting? Lower watts?
It's an all core undervolt. Goal is to lower power while keeping same performance.

If your system is crashing at idle its not stable.

Is that -20 undervolt for C0 set to all core or per core?

If you take PBO off do you still get crashing at idle? My gut is telling me your undervolt is too aggressive and you may have go with -15 or -10. If you check the event viewer log is there an entry for the crash?
Unfortunately it's really hard to test if PBO settings are the issue because it only crashes after very very long idle times (multiple hours). So realistically I can only change settings and test this maybe twice a day.

Event viewer log just says that an "unexpected system shutdown happened".
 

Makaveli

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It's an all core undervolt. Goal is to lower power while keeping same performance.


Unfortunately it's really hard to test if PBO settings are the issue because it only crashes after very very long idle times (multiple hours). So realistically I can only change settings and test this maybe twice a day.

Event viewer log just says that an "unexpected system shutdown happened".
You need to move from all core undervolt to per core.

And for now I would lower your all core to -15 then test for a day if it still reboots on idle then lower to -10.

But Ideally you will want to use per core and will have to test it to see what is the bet offset per core.

on my system I'm using -15 on my two best cores then -5 on the rest.
 
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Kenmitch

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It's an all core undervolt. Goal is to lower power while keeping same performance.
It might be easier doing it with CTR in the end. Have you tried it yet?

ClockTuner v2.1 for Ryzen (CTR) Guide - Introduction (guru3d.com)

Of course you'd want to use the suggested settings that are in the CTR requirements section in the above guide.

Have you stress tested with CoreCycler?

Release v0.8.2.4 · sp00n/corecycler · GitHub

The above works good to find the weaker core(s) from my testing. Of course you'd need to switch from the all core - offset to individual core offsets. You can still start at -20 if wanted.

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Both the above apps and uEFI have been updated from the last time I booted up my 5600x backup rig so I'll be playing around with both today.
 

Kepler_L2

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It might be easier doing it with CTR in the end. Have you tried it yet?

ClockTuner v2.1 for Ryzen (CTR) Guide - Introduction (guru3d.com)

Of course you'd want to use the suggested settings that are in the CTR requirements section in the above guide.

Have you stress tested with CoreCycler?

Release v0.8.2.4 · sp00n/corecycler · GitHub

The above works good to find the weaker core(s) from my testing. Of course you'd need to switch from the all core - offset to individual core offsets. You can still start at -20 if wanted.

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Both the above apps and uEFI have been updated from the last time I booted up my 5600x backup rig so I'll be playing around with both today.
That corecycler sounds very useful, thanks for the tip! :)
 

Kenmitch

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That corecycler sounds very useful, thanks for the tip! :)
It does look to get the job done from my experience with it. CTR can be useful also getting you close to clocks/voltages. The latest version does allow for Hybrid OC as long as it doesn't pick too aggressive clocks/voltages. You can always alter the profile(s) if needed.

I'm most likely going to put this 5600x/6800 rig up for sale locally (92555) once I play around with it some more. It was a spare parts build with leftovers from my 5900x/6800XT build so I don't really need it anyways.
 

Noid

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MSI released Beta AGESA ComboAM4PIV2 1.2.0.3 for some boards yesterday.
I D/L 3 of them to get a log file -- but not included in the ZIP files.
Found one site with a bit of leaked info about more performance.
 

Noid

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AMD Link

AMD Ryzen™ Chipset Driver Release Notes (2.17.25.506) Highlights

Fixed Issues

  • Error# 1316 during driver upgrade.
Known Issues
  • Manual system restart required on Non-English OS after the installation is complete.
  • Windows® Installer pop-up message may appear during the installation.
  • Uninstallation log may not be generated in the silent mode.
Chipset Support
Windows 7Windows 10
AMD WRX80NoYes
AMD TRX40NoYes
AMD X570NoYes
AMD B550NoYes
AMD A520NoYes
AMD X399NoYes
AMD X470YesYes
AMD B450YesYes
AMD X370YesYes
AMD B350YesYes
AMD A320YesYes
Processor Support
Windows 7Windows 10
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO ProcessorsNoYes
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Desktop ProcessorsNoYes
1st/2nd/3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ ProcessorsNoYes
3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop ProcessorsNoYes
AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processors with Radeon™ GraphicsNoYes
AMD Ryzen™ Mobile Processors with Radeon™ GraphicsNoYes
1st/2nd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop ProcessorsYesYes
7th Gen AMD A-Series ProcessorsYesYes
Package Contents
The AMD Ryzen™ Chipset Driver installation package contains various independent drivers designed to support the following Microsoft® Windows® platforms. Operating System support may vary depending on your specific AMD product
Driver NameWindows 7Windows 10Change Details
AMD Ryzen Power Plan / AMD Processor Power Management SupportNA6.0.0.9No change
AMD PCI Device Driver1.0.0.671.0.0.83Windows 10: System stability improvements
Windows 7: No change
AMD I2C DriverNA1.2.0.118I2C power management option is hidden in device manager
AMD UART DriverNA1.2.0.112No change
AMD GPIO2 DriverNA2.2.0.130No change
PT GPIO DriverNA2.0.1.0No change
AMD PSP Driver4.10.0.14.16.0.0Windows 10:
  • Enabled Direct PoFx power (DFx) model
  • New DID support added
  • Bug fixes
Windows 7: No change
AMD IOV Driver1.2.0.431.2.0.52No change
AMD SMBUS Driver5.12.0.385.12.0.38No change
AMD AS4 ACPI DriverNA1.2.0.46No change
AMD SFH I2C DriverNA1.0.0.86No change
AMD USB Filter Driver2.0.10.2872.1.11.304No change
AMD SFH DriverNA1.0.0.316
  • Add support for OEM specific ALR curve settings
  • Increase idle timeout for D0 exit
  • Disable UMDF process sharing
  • Update ALS Lux range from 100 to 2000 Lux
AMD CIR Driver3.2.4.1103.2.4.135No change
AMD MicroPEP DriverNA1.0.28.0No change
AMD USB 3.0 Driver for ZP2.0.0.60NANo change
PT USB 3.1 Driver1.0.5.3NANo change
AMD USB Driver for Hudson1.1.0.276NANo change
AMD SATA Driver1.2.1.402NANo change
AMD USB 3.1 Driver1.0.0.12NANo change
 
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AMD Link

AMD Ryzen™ Chipset Driver Release Notes (2.17.25.506) Highlights

Fixed Issues

  • Error# 1316 during driver upgrade.
Known Issues
  • Manual system restart required on Non-English OS after the installation is complete.
  • Windows® Installer pop-up message may appear during the installation.
  • Uninstallation log may not be generated in the silent mode.
Chipset Support
Windows 7Windows 10
AMD WRX80NoYes
AMD TRX40NoYes
AMD X570NoYes
AMD B550NoYes
AMD A520NoYes
AMD X399NoYes
AMD X470YesYes
AMD B450YesYes
AMD X370YesYes
AMD B350YesYes
AMD A320YesYes
Processor Support
Windows 7Windows 10
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO ProcessorsNoYes
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Desktop ProcessorsNoYes
1st/2nd/3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ ProcessorsNoYes
3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop ProcessorsNoYes
AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processors with Radeon™ GraphicsNoYes
AMD Ryzen™ Mobile Processors with Radeon™ GraphicsNoYes
1st/2nd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop ProcessorsYesYes
7th Gen AMD A-Series ProcessorsYesYes
Package Contents
The AMD Ryzen™ Chipset Driver installation package contains various independent drivers designed to support the following Microsoft® Windows® platforms. Operating System support may vary depending on your specific AMD product
Driver NameWindows 7Windows 10Change Details
AMD Ryzen Power Plan / AMD Processor Power Management SupportNA6.0.0.9No change
AMD PCI Device Driver1.0.0.671.0.0.83Windows 10: System stability improvements
Windows 7: No change
AMD I2C DriverNA1.2.0.118I2C power management option is hidden in device manager
AMD UART DriverNA1.2.0.112No change
AMD GPIO2 DriverNA2.2.0.130No change
PT GPIO DriverNA2.0.1.0No change
AMD PSP Driver4.10.0.14.16.0.0Windows 10:
  • Enabled Direct PoFx power (DFx) model
  • New DID support added
  • Bug fixes
Windows 7: No change
AMD IOV Driver1.2.0.431.2.0.52No change
AMD SMBUS Driver5.12.0.385.12.0.38No change
AMD AS4 ACPI DriverNA1.2.0.46No change
AMD SFH I2C DriverNA1.0.0.86No change
AMD USB Filter Driver2.0.10.2872.1.11.304No change
AMD SFH DriverNA1.0.0.316
  • Add support for OEM specific ALR curve settings
  • Increase idle timeout for D0 exit
  • Disable UMDF process sharing
  • Update ALS Lux range from 100 to 2000 Lux
AMD CIR Driver3.2.4.1103.2.4.135No change
AMD MicroPEP DriverNA1.0.28.0No change
AMD USB 3.0 Driver for ZP2.0.0.60NANo change
PT USB 3.1 Driver1.0.5.3NANo change
AMD USB Driver for Hudson1.1.0.276NANo change
AMD SATA Driver1.2.1.402NANo change
AMD USB 3.1 Driver1.0.0.12NANo change
I appreciate you for the heads up. I updated the chipset driver. It failed the first attempt. Was able to update on my 2nd attempt.

Stupid Microsoft took the time to push me to change my settings before letting me use my computer. Ugh.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Don't know if it has been mentioned in here, but a weird quirk of the 5900x series becoming more available has been a sudden "glut" of used 5800x processors showing up in used markets for fairly reasonable prices given how new they are (~$300-350).

Some might argue thats the price they should have launched at, but in a market swamped by bad news, that's not too shabby.

AMD looks like its turning the corner on CPU shortages.
 
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Timur Born

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Here are some CB23 comparison numbers:
Stock: 21640 (134 W)
CO (PBO off!): 22220 (132 W)
4600 fixed + CO: 23450 (174 W)

Overall still not convinced that it is worth the hassle to use anything but stock.
 
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Well, I just impulse purchased a 5800x for $370 all in off eBay. Hope it isn't a scam,but eBay is usually pretty good about handling that kind of thing.

Only need a board and cooler now (my 1st gen H60 does not have AM4 mounting hardware and even if it did I've lost it all after a couple moves).

Any board recommendations in the $150-$200 range (my last known good mid-range board price).

As for a cooler, what's the least I can get away with for the moment? I'd like to upgrade to a 240mm AIO but don't want to pick up anything before they ship with AM5 forward mounting hardware (or tell me I'm nuts and AM4 mounts will work on AM5).
 

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Well, I just impulse purchased a 5800x for $370 all in off eBay. Hope it isn't a scam,but eBay is usually pretty good about handling that kind of thing.

Only need a board and cooler now (my 1st gen H60 does not have AM4 mounting hardware and even if it did I've lost it all after a couple moves).

Any board recommendations in the $150-$200 range (my last known good mid-range board price).

As for a cooler, what's the least I can get away with for the moment? I'd like to upgrade to a 240mm AIO but don't want to pick up anything before they ship with AM5 forward mounting hardware (or tell me I'm nuts and AM4 mounts will work on AM5).


These both have wifi variants if you need it. No bios flashback on the tuf though which could be a problem if the board you get is old stock and you don't have an older am4 CPU to flash bios.

ITX


Bang for the buck air coolers that should handle a 5800x:



 

GodisanAtheist

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Well, god damn it, the seller on EBay canceled and refunded my purchase because his country just extended lockdowns and apparently even post offices are closed?

Googling I do see lockdowns extended, but PO closed?! Maybe he just didn't like the final sale price...

Luckily I didn't just go out and start purchasing the additional hardware but emotionally I am in a weird place. It was an impulse purchased for S's & G's but it was kinda real and I started thinking about my first AMD system since my 3800x2 wayyyyyyyy back in the day.

Maybe I'll keep hunting 5800x's and try to land one at the same price...
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Microcenter has the 5800x for $379.99 before the $20 MB bundle discount if it's an option for you.
I'll actually be going down to Southern California in a few weeks so it may be an option, but I travel super light and am not a big fan of buying bulky/delicate items and trying to fly around with them.

The thought has repeatedly crossed my mind, though.
 

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Have been benching the performance difference between "pure T1", T1 GDM and T2 in the Monero miner which is known to scale very well with both speed (bandwidth) and timings (latency).

The goal was to decide once and for all whether T1 GDM actually is slower than T2 due to half speed on mux .. But this benchmark can also be used to test whether you actually scale with higher flck speeds above 1900mhz (seems like hardly anyone do in real benchmarks otherthen Aida64)

Settings:
  • 5950x @ 4700/4600 static OC, SMT enabled
  • 4x8GB memory sticks
  • Hwinfo open for all runs
  • consecutive runs
  • Flat CL 14-14-14-14 timings
T1 setuptime.png
T1 setup-time
19723.4 H/S over 15min run
upto 627 H/S per core

T1 GDM.png
T1 GDM
19151 H/S over 15min run
upto 606 H/S per core

T2.png
T2
19413 H/S over 15min run
upto 616 H/S per core
  • 19413 / 19151 = T2 is ~1.3% faster than T1 GDM in this benchmark
  • 19723 / 19413 = T1 setup-time is ~1.6% faster than T2 in this benchmark
  • 19723 / 19151 = T1 setup-time is ~2.9% faster than T1 GDM in this benchmark
So I come to the conclusion that T2 is faster than T1 GDM .. But this is also a bit dependent on the fact that you actually have stable T2 settings.

T2 is more difficult to stabilize than T1 GDM as the latter "smooths over" / arranges and/or changes timing-mismatches, so if you want to retrieve these last 1.3% memory performance percentages then be prepared to spend many hours fine-tuning your settings .. For the regular user is it rather doubtful that this is worth it, as the time is probably better spent maximizing CPU overclocking in my eyes, as virtually everything scales with higher CPU speed..

I can also say that the degree of difficulty to stabilize "pure T1" is in a another league, especially with dual rank. (32GB or more)

Aida64 screenshot of my fastest T1 setup-time with my new 24/7 settings for CTR. (notice how straight the CPU mhz line is in 3dmark Timespy with this new version of CTR)
aida-settings-1.png

If anyone else wants to test / bench with the same mining program: Instructions for installing monero can be found here
 
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I'll actually be going down to Southern California in a few weeks so it may be an option, but I travel super light and am not a big fan of buying bulky/delicate items and trying to fly around with them.

The thought has repeatedly crossed my mind, though.
It’s a microprocessor. It’s in the name. 7 nanometer process even. Does that sound bulky?
 

GodisanAtheist

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It’s a microprocessor. It’s in the name. 7 nanometer process even. Does that sound bulky?
- The motherboard and cooler I'd have to buy with it sure would be. Not to mention I'd just end up honor killing myself if I got back home and realized I bent pins on the damn thing somehow...

I guess I could always just buy the processor and have the other items shipped to me, although it would feel like I'm leaving some money on the table and kicking MC in the balls a bit there not picking up any items with some margin on them...
 

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Don't know if it has been mentioned in here, but a weird quirk of the 5900x series becoming more available has been a sudden "glut" of used 5800x processors showing up in used markets for fairly reasonable prices given how new they are (~$300-350).

Some might argue thats the price they should have launched at, but in a market swamped by bad news, that's not too shabby.

AMD looks like its turning the corner on CPU shortages.
Indeed, I scored an open box unused 5800X for $299 plus tax for a friends build, is a good time to grab these up.
 

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