AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[Abwx]

I wouldn't lose sleep over 3%.

Same power usage as the 9950X but also 2.7°C lower temp, and at same perf you could get it at say 180W instead of 200W, wich would reduce temp even more, dunno why you prefer
the lower performing one since that s the same price for both.

 

[Thunder 57]

Same power usage as the 9950X but also 2.7°C lower temp, and at same perf you could get it at say 180W instead of 200W, wich would reduce temp even more, dunno why you prefer
the lower performing one since that s the same price for both.

Wrong thread, but the question was 9850X3D vs 9950X.

 

[lopri]

Yah. They are the same price at the Microcenter right now. I don't need either of them and am happy with my 9700X. Just a little bit itchy is all.

But I swore to myself I would not get another AM5 CPU before an upgraded I/O die, so I will resist the temptation.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

3 of the top 5 boards on Amazon are 5000, and 2 of the top 5 CPUs. The Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming WiFi II I picked up is still in the top spot.

The only thing limiting higher sales, is the lack of first party SKUs.

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[burninatortech4]

3 of the top 5 boards on Amazon are 5000, and 2 of the top 5 CPUs. The Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming WiFi II I picked up is still in the top spot.

The only thing limiting higher sales, is the lack of first party SKUs.

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The AM4 ecosystem is also alive and well on eBay.

B550 + DDR4 is still somewhat sane in our current market. Hopefully that lasts.

 

[Abwx]

3 of the top 5 boards on Amazon are 5000, and 2 of the top 5 CPUs. The Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming WiFi II I picked up is still in the top spot.

The only thing limiting higher sales, is the lack of first party SKUs.

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In Germany and France it look like the 5800X is the co best seller with the 9800X3D, in Japan and Germany s Amazon the best seller for 16C/32T is the 5950X of old, and it s about the same everywhere else, seems that the RAM price scamm did take its toll for recent plateforms.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Steve gives the history of AM4 platform longevity, and its effect on shoppers choices. As he states, there are too many variables to cover them all. My conclusion is that none of those specifics of pricing, or individual anecdotes, are noteworthy. We can all see what happened with hardware sales over the years, and where they are now.

It is also an interesting point, that high ASP SKUs being the best sellers, as with Zen 4 and 5 X3D, has never happened before.

 

[Ranulf]

X3d isn't that surprising given how good it is for gaming overall. I'd also argue that until the x3d chips, the best value was the $200 6/12 ryzens or the top end i7 up to the 8700k.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

X3d isn't that surprising given how good it is for gaming overall.

It is surprising. Edit to add Most; Gamers have always picked the best bang for buck. Not the no compromises best.

I'd also argue that until the x3d chips, the best value was the $200 6/12 ryzens or the top end i7 up to the 8700k.

Strong argument.

But platform longevity with AM4 fused bang for buck together with it. Ryzen had so many SKUs and deals, it would be hard to cover them all. The 1600AF being a 2600 in disguise was the best values of late 2010s. It was $89 before it became too popular. Intel value suffered by comparison, as Steve discusses.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

I enjoyed that video. But there is one detail that Oz Steve completely omits: Intel was even scummier than what he describes.

Socket 1151 was ARTIFICIALLY hobbled by Intel. As it turns out, there was no need to force Cofee Lake users to "upgrade" to a new board.

That was made abundantly clear - but, sadly, too late in the game! - by Linus and others:

 

[jpiniero]

I enjoyed that video. But there is one detail that Oz Steve completely omits: Intel was even scummier than what he describes.

Socket 1151 was ARTIFICIALLY hobbled by Intel. As it turns out, there was no need to force Cofee Lake users to "upgrade" to a new board.

That was because Intel was going to allow Backwards compatibility (ie: old processor on new board, and not new processor on old board which is what habitual upgraders want) but that was cut at the last minute.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

@AnitaPeterson

Steve did mention it at the end as part of what the take away should be. Time stamped -

He also mentions how AMD tried to screw things up with AM4 but the community would not let them. Man oh man has that paid off.

 

[jpiniero]

He also mentions how AMD tried to screw things up with AM4 but the community would not let them. Man oh man has that paid off.

That was board makers, not wanting to support boards they were no longer selling.

 

[Ranulf]

Anyone know how to set up eco mode on an asus b450-I mobo? (ROG STRIX B450-I GAMING). I don't see any distinct power options, nor thru amd cbs option in bios menu. Bios is latest update from late last year. Do I have to enable overclocking or something? TIA

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I think it is in AI tuning -PBO- PBO settings. Switch to manual PBO if it is not in the drop down list and enter them.
PPT = 60W
TDC = 45A
EDC = 65A

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That was board makers, not wanting to support boards they were no longer selling.

My cynical side likes this answer. But having owned a X370 that I upgraded to support zen 3, I saw the practical issue for myself. When I bought the board it had a fancy UEFI background with stars twinkling. Due to the bios size limitation, after the updates, it no longer had any fancy effects, and support for all OG zen CPUs and APUs was gone. None of the board makers could have been looking forward to the support tickets stemming from the removal.

MSI released the B450 Tomahawk Max with the 32MB bios chip shortly.

 

[Thunder 57]

My cynical side likes this answer. But having owned a X370 that I upgraded to support zen 3, I saw the practical issue for myself. When I bought the board it had a fancy UEFI background with stars twinkling. Due to the bios size limitation, after the updates, it no longer had any fancy effects, and support for all OG zen CPUs and APUs was gone. None of the board makers could have been looking forward to the support tickets stemming from the removal.

MSI released the B450 Tomahawk Max with the 32MB bios chip shortly.

How much does a BIOS chip cost? They seem to have no problem incluling larger ones for basic wifi so MS is happy.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

How much does a BIOS chip cost?

It was 2017. Having a board require microcode updates for eleventy billion CPUs had never been necessary before. And don't forget what a mess it was. AMD was sending loaner CPUs to update the bios on boards without flashback.

 

[Ranulf]

The drama helped push for more mobos to have a dedicated bios update usb port so you didn't need an older ryzen. I think for Asus it was 3rd gen mobos that started getting it. I do have a b450 tuf that has a bios flashback button but I think when I got it I didn't need it because by then the standard bios included ryzen 5000 support already. A 2019/20 b450 I had required an old chip to be able to update bios. I think I still have an x370 mobo that is stock or near stock bios.

Also, its really fun when a manual doesn't tell you what usb port to use as the flashback port. I think it was the 2.0 ports.