Amd Renames 57xx to 67xx

[happy medium]

Can't forget about resolution either, you go try putting an HD5770 @ 1080p playing BC2, the 6850 is definitely twice as better. Frames might not tell you the story, but gameplay will sure do.

Wrong yet again..............Do you somehow think the 5770 will not gain 12fps in crossfire? Single card vs single card is 35 fps vs 47 fps.

Now I think my point is made and I'm not gonna derail this thread any further.
Sorry to the OP.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Wrong yet again..............Do you somehow think the 5770 will not gain 12fps in crossfire? Single card vs single card is 35 fps vs 47 fps.

Now I think my point is made and I'm not gonna derail this thread any further.
Sorry to the OP.

$290 for HD5770 CF...tsk tsk.

Do a HD6850 CF for $320 and it destroys the HD5770 CF and GTX460 SLI.

 

[happy medium]

HD6850 is nearly twice as better than the 5770, specially in more modern and upcoming games. You can say whatever you want, but benchmarks only tell a part of the story, the real scores come out in gameplay.

Well, so far you have not shown one shread of proof but what you think.

2 5770's will beat a single 6850 in any game at any resolution easily, and thats with only 90% scaling.
Remember you said a 6850 is twice as powerfull as a 5770, so that statment is even more off.

Is it that hard to admit when your wrong?

Now back on topic................

edit : crossfired 5770 cost 200$ . SO once again you are wrong!!
Even if they cost $10,000, a single 6850 will never beat them,LIKE YOU SAID!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-338-_-Product

 

[RavenSEAL]

Well, so far you have not shown one shread of proof but what you think.

2 5770's will beat a single 6850 in any game at any resolution easily, and thats with only 90% scaling.
Remember you said a 6850 is twice as powerfull as a 5770, so that statment is even more off.

Is it that hard to admit when your wrong?

Now back on topic................

First, i said "nearly twice".
2nd, who the hell would pay $290 for HD5770 CF? 7-10FPS for an extra $120? No thanks
3rd, you talk big but you buy small...put your money where your mouth is?

 

[Arkaign]

$290 for HD5770 CF...tsk tsk.

Do a HD6850 CF for $320 and it destroys the HD5770 CF and GTX460 SLI.

Yeah I don't see the point of doing 5770CF.

460SLI is a good cheap route with the 768mb models, though of course it suffers a little at 1920x1080. Still, at $109 a piece, that's $220 for pretty respectable performance. I'm going 560 though. The 6850 is tempting, but I really don't want to do CF, and I think I want to go Nvidia this round, my 5770 was mediocre at best, in both performance and drivers.

 

[happy medium]

First, i said "nearly twice".

And you are still wrong, unless nearly twice to you is 50%+ slower?
A $200 pair of 5770 will beat the crap out of a single 6850.
See my edit for prices above. hahahahaaha I admire your spunk, but you lose buddy.

 

[happy medium]

Yeah I don't see the point of doing 5770CF.

The argument is not about the point of 5770 crossfire.

He made a statment saying that a single 6850 is nearly double the performance of 5770's in crossfire.
He was about 45% off.

edit 45% instead of 85%

 

[RavenSEAL]

And you are still wrong, unless nearly twice to you is 50%+ slower?
A $200 pair of 5770 will beat the crap out of a single 6850.
See my edit for prices above. hahahahaaha I admire your spunk, but you lose buddy.

Hmmm? Rebates are nothing but a probability? MSRP tells the story.

HD5770 current MSRP is $140, which accounts to $280.

 

[RavenSEAL]

By the way, if paying an extra $100 for an AVERAGE of an extra 5 more FPS, be my guest. Go ahead and get back to me when you get your HD5770 CF set up.

 

[SirPauly]

Nearly twice the performance of the 5770 to a 6850 over-all -- nah:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...e-2/22/#abschnitt_performancerating_ohne_aaaf

 

[happy medium]

By the way, if paying an extra $100 for an AVERAGE of an extra 5 more FPS, be my guest. Go ahead and get back to me when you get your HD5770 CF set up.

No thanks, I'm looking at a preety new gtx560 @ 1000 core right now for a final system upgrade.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Nearly twice the performance of the 5770 to a 6850 over-all -- nah:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...e-2/22/#abschnitt_performancerating_ohne_aaaf

At my overclocking, yea, nearly twice.

 

[happy medium]

At my overclocking, yea, nearly twice.

No, wrong again , you would need a 40% overclock. Oh yea the 5770's overclock like champs, some reaching 1000 core. So make that a 60% overclock with a 6850, thats not possible.

Give it up, please.

 

[Arkaign]

No thanks, I'm looking at a preety new gtx560 @ 1000 core right now for a final system upgrade.

^^ Same I have 1920x1200, so that should be full of win.

 

[Destiny]

This is why I joined AnAndTech... so I don't get suckered by Tech Companies rebranding, Re-naming, re-numbering products making me think one is better than the other...

It is also entertaining reading people de-railing threads...

 

[RavenSEAL]

No, wrong again , you would need a 40% overclock. Oh yea the 5770's overclock like champs, some reaching 1000 core. So make that a 60% overclock with a 6850, thats not possible.

Give it up, please.

Fine, you win this time, but i'll be back...

 

[Powermoloch]

Take my word for it...i went from 5770 CF --> 6850CF. And i'm luvin it.

 

[taltamir]

Re-branding is proven, time and time again, to be a very effective business strategy.
It works, it makes money, and more companies are doing it more often.

I have just decided to live with it... I am calling it the "will not do 5 minutes of research tax" and hoping it help fund R&D.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Re-branding is proven, time and time again, to be a very effective business strategy.
It works, it makes money, and more companies are doing it more often.

I have just decided to live with it... I am calling it the "will not do 5 minutes of research tax" and hoping it help fund R&D.

Actually companies have been doing this for ages. We notice tech companies because we are informed in this area but don't be fooled to think it doesn't happen in all other sectors.

Grab a nursing bottle made in indonesia, ship it to portugal to get it painted in there - instant 50%+ price increase. Ship it to germany instead and add an extra 20% over the portuguese price. Same bottle made in indonesia. Call it chicco for even more profit.

That is just an example I'm familiar with.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

thanks that sort of answered my question.

5970 is to 6990
5870 to 6970
5850 to 6950
???? to 6870
???? to 6850
5830 to ????
5770 to rebage
5750 to rebage
5670 to rebage?
rest of 5xxx series = rebage?

Thats 2 new chips, right?

So this is what you are saying?
That lineup looks kinda funky to me, ha.

Lets compare to the nvidia side or what we guess it will be.
gtx595
480 to 580 gf110
470 to 570 gf110
460 to 560 gf114
460se to 560se gf114
450 to 550 gf116
gt 240 to gt540? cut down gf116?
gt530 =gf118?
They have 3 new chips gf110,gf114,gf116,and mabe a gf118 also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_500_Series

Why did you have to make things up? We don't know what the plan is for the 5670. We also don't know about a 560se. I am failing to see the point of this post (or am I?). The 5770 is only re-badged to OEMs. It will still be the 5770 in the retail market; there will be no 6770 that you can buy from a retailer.

I dislike your inconsistency. It makes you look like you have an agenda. Because the AMD lineup is like this:

5970 is to 6990
5870 to 6970
5850 to 6950
5770 to 6870
5750 to 6850

And how in the world does the Wiki page have die size and transistor counts for the 530, 550, and 560? And no references? And did they just make up the GF 118? That is a pretty bad Wiki page.

Also seems like your theory that the GTS 550 will be faster than the GTX 460 is not going to happen. Judging from the rumors the 550 will end up slower than the GTX 460, even slower than the SE and 768MB.

 

[IGemini]

There's just one thing I don't get with the "new" cards.

They added Bluray 3D support to the 67xx but couldn't be bothered to include DivX-type support and make it UVD3 like the other 6xxx-series cards already released? I know this is a rebadging but that seems like a pretty lazy omission.

 

[taltamir]

There's just one thing I don't get with the "new" cards.

They added Bluray 3D support to the 67xx but couldn't be bothered to include DivX-type support and make it UVD3 like the other 6xxx-series cards already released? I know this is a rebadging but that seems like a pretty lazy omission.

its not like divx support is important... you will be hard pressing finding a CPU that can't handle divx.
3d blu ray on the other hand is rather taxing on your CPU

 

[IGemini]

its not like divx support is important... you will be hard pressing finding a CPU that can't handle divx.
3d blu ray on the other hand is rather taxing on your CPU

I know, which makes it more confusing why they included the capability on a higher-end card. It would make more sense on the budget-end of the spectrum.

 

[nyker96]

stop renaming things, stop doing that NV did. This is ludicrous!

 

[jiffylube1024]

3 possible viewpoints:

1.) It's a rebrand, plain and simple. Rebrands are always an attempt to dupe consumers into thinking something old is something new, so it's deceptive and kind of pointless.


2.) 6870 is slower than 5870 (by about 5-10&#37, 6850 is slower than 5850, so, hey, a 6770 at equal performance to 5770 is progress .


3.) AMD has traditionally tested a new node with a lower ~$100 card, so with TSMC's 32nm and 28nm nodes not ready, the 6770 may have been an early axe on the chopping block when AMD found out that 32nm and 28nm was not ready, so that they could focus on Barts and Cayman.

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I personally find rebrands to be annoying, but I suspect viewpoint #3 may have some merit to why the 6770 is a rebrand too. AMD doesn't usually do this with any x7xx or x8xx series cards.