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AMD removing the L1 contacts??

If AMD's chips cannot be unlocked or they MP won't come factory unlocked, then my incentive to buy AMD doesn't look great.
 
I gotta co-worker here that says if the rumors are true and AMD does announce this new tactic (if it's not just a mistake), he's jumping ship and going over to INTEL
 
I don't really see this as an issue. How many people are closing the bridges on XP CPU's? It's not like the XP is an overclocking champ anyway that requires multiplier adjustments. Thoroughbred may improve things a bit, but increasing the bus speed is where the real performance gains are.
 


<< increasing the bus speed is where the real performance gains are. >>


True..but my scsi card does not like fsb higher that 145 and my cpu can do more than that!
 


<< I don't really see this as an issue. How many people are closing the bridges on XP CPU's? >>



i didnt.....why should i unlock my new XP1800 for which i paid good money for when i get good OC results with plain FSB overclocking ?

It's something different to use a pencil on an old Athlon..or mess around like you have to do with the XPs...and i actually read about SOME people who actually shot their XPs...so what's the point....i dont need the bridges 🙂

 
unlocking XP was already damn hard.... so damn hard in fact that most "l33t" people don't even do it...


i'm not worried at all, when i buy my XP i wasn't gonna try to unlock it just crank the FSB to 145-150....
 
wouldnt really bother me.....im planning on upgrading to a Tbred solution, and id be getting the Asus A7N266-C (no Via here 😛 ), which unless im mistaken, locks the PCI bus at 33Mhz.....just pump the FSB as high as the cpu/mem will go..... sorted 🙂
 
It's not that big of a deal. Look at some of the Intel NW overclockers, is it really bothering them much, me thinks not. 🙂
 
Dont see a problem If the cpu itelf cannot be unlocked, If you have a decent MB that will do allow you to set FSB or multiplyer there shouldnt be a problem, My Epox 8kta3 isnt top of the line and I can do both of those.
Dont buy crappy MB's or get onto the MB mfg to start putting these features in there bios, They will do this to make sales.

Its the same boat for Intell users.
 
Dang.... You think someone would come out with something for that XP to unlock the multiplier... maybe some sort of "plug" that fills that little "ditch" and connects the bridges... Hmmm. I wonder what would happen If I flipped on my XP 1800 at a 166 MHz bus...
 


<< It's not that big of a deal. Look at some of the Intel NW overclockers, is it really bothering them much, me thinks not. 🙂 >>

I overclock NWs, and it bothers me.
 
Checkout hardocp.com again. There's a simple solution posted, copy of original post in similar issue/thread in Overclocking forum here at Anand's.
Johncar
 


<< Dont see a problem If the cpu itelf cannot be unlocked, If you have a decent MB that will do allow you to set FSB or multiplyer there shouldnt be a problem, My Epox 8kta3 isnt top of the line and I can do both of those. >>



Does not matter what MOBO you have, if your CPU is locked you can not change the multiplier with your motherboard.
 
You just better hope that they don't make the multiplyer only one on the cpu.. then you won't be able to drop the multiplyer and raise the fsb up so much higher.
 
i dont like the idea of haveing a processor that isnt multiplier unlocked. i know i have had intel in the past and had to run the bus way to high for my likeing and never felt my system was as stable as it should be. with my amd setup now i can adjust multiplier and bus to make it stable........that to me is the key to a very stable system




Jen
 
The choice between AMD and Intel, setting the multiplier factor aside is a close one. I think most of us here pick AMD because there is the possibility that (even if it is a pain) we can unlock the multipliers and run a slow chip at a much higher setting while keeping all of our other components in-spec, or at least close to it. If AMD does this, I think they will lose a lot of business, as without this extra incentive to buy AMD, it is just so easy to revert "back to old Intel".

Yes, the speed ratings are reasonably accurate, but all else being equal if you HAVE to bus overclock anyway (and have no chance of unlocking the multiplier), why not just buy an Intel 1.8GHz chip that really runs at 2.4GHz, rather than a 1.6GHz AMD chip that runs at 1.7GHz (but does almost as much work as a 2.1GHz Intel chip). If I didn't have the possibility of being able to unlock and change the multiplier, I would probably just go Intel in this situation. I hope AMD doesn't do this.

AMD is getting big, and most of their success has been thanks to the word of mouth that has spread throughout the enthusiast market. It isn't that the people who might actually unlock their chips buy a majority of the AMD products, but those people INFLUENCE a great number of others, who buy a very large percentage of AMD's products. It isn't so much about what AMD "owes" the enthusiast market, it is more about what it would mean to them if they turned around and insulted that market in such a profound way. It would be a real shame for AMD to sell those people out at this point by making the chips unable to be unlocked (or SO hard and risky that only 1 in 100 of even the hardcore enthusiasts would attempt it). Word of mouth works two ways. 🙂

Don't do it AMD. I know you are reading this. Just don't do it. It WILL backfire. Those who like to "play" with your products have more influence over everyday customers than you might think. If they aren't fun to play with anymore, enthusiasts will not be excited about your product anymore, and it will cut way into their recommendations, and into your bottom line. Remember, that the big OEMs are NOT (I repeat NOT) where AMD's bread is buttered. AMD has been dropped by Gateway, and never did get picked up by Dell. It is the little guy, selling/recommending AMD procs to regular users that has made AMD so successful. That little guy LIKES being able to unlock his personal chips, and if he can't do that, he may be somewhat less inclined to "fool with them" at all. AMD has so far done a good job of sending signals that it really does care about the enthusiast market. The recent Exteme Performance Project (processor/motherboard giveaway) was a good example of this. Don't throw that away by doing something stupid with the product. It already difficult and unprofitable for dishonest retailers to "unlock" AMD procs for resale as remarks in any quantity (as it should be). As a result, remarking isn't really a problem with AMD procs. Unlocking the chips is just something that true enthusiasts do for fun, and they won't like it if AMD takes that away. Just something to think about - very carefully.

Nack
 
Anyone remember when AMD began removing the multi pins from the bottom of cpus?

So far, 1 guy has posted a pic of one cpu that has a funky L1 setup. Either it's a fake or quite possibly an error from the factory. Wait until everyone starts getting cpus like this, also someone has already posted a way to connect the bridges, if need be.
 
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