AMD Releasing 28nm 7000 series December 6th [Heise.de]

[Grooveriding]

http://translate.google.com/transla...28-Nanometer-Grafikchips-1361366.html&act=url


'AMD is apparently planning to introduce the first products using 28-nanometer graphics chips are still in December 2011. As H learned from business circles, it should be in the second week of December so far - a source specifically named the sixth December. Already a few weeks ago, one source said, AMD wanted the chips before 9 December imagine - otherwise, the publication moved into next year.
Whether it is in the first 28-nm GPU but concerns mobile or desktop hardware is not fully understood, as are the underlying chip architecture (VLIW4/NextGen). A source from our board partners circles whispered that there should be either desktop graphics cards in the performance area and we currently expect low levels in December. Until there is to actually buy the products in sufficient quantities, it will still be (far) down to the coming year, as the contract manufacturer TSMC apparently has problems with the 28-nanometer process.'




This source thinks there may be performance desktop parts but in limited quantities. We may see the same drought of high-end parts we saw with the 5870 & 5850 launch. If desktop performance parts come in September, better buy them fast.

As I recall with the 5870 and 5850 launch after the initial batches were sold out it was a small trickle of parts for the next few months.

 

[arredondo]

Do they normally release high end, mid range, or budget models first?

 

[soccerballtux]

Do they normally release high end, mid range, or budget models first?

last time they were testing the waters of 40nm with the 5770.
This time? Testing the waters of 28nm with 7770?

 

[tviceman]

Driver leak indicates up to hd76xx family models. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2199891

I will be both impressed and surprised if AMD releases performance parts this year. Not impressed, but floored.

 

[GaiaHunter]

last time they were testing the waters of 40nm with the 5770.
This time? Testing the waters of 28nm with 7770?

The 40nm tester was the 4770.

After it was 5870->5850->5770+5750->5970

But last year the 6870+6850 and only after the 6950+6970.

From a business point of view it makes more sense to release the high-end first and let the previous high end cards sell at medium range prices to clear the channels, unless previous gen was really bad. But sometimes I guess one release what is ready to go.

 

[Vesku]

My guess would be on the highest of their VLIW4 cards and GCN top end arrives next year. Would be great if it was GCN cards though, would give a feel for where AMD performance is heading.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

Do they normally release high end, mid range, or budget models first?

Budget cards are usually the last to show up. Usually they are just rebranded over multiple generations.

Mid range and high end cards are usually the first out, sometimes the midrange comes first and sometimes the high end comes out first.

It depends on how confident the chip maker is about their card and the processes, drivers, cooling ect.

Every generation is different.

 

[exar333]

All I know is that I am done with 40nm. Bring on the new cards!

 

[Stuka87]

Hopefully some others come out to corroborate this. I am ready to buy now, and really would prefer a 7k series. But if they end up just releasing mid range cards, I may just have to go for a 6k card. Well, unless the midranges show a big bump up to match current high end cards.

 

[bryanW1995]

NV brought out fermi at 40nm on high end without much testing first, but that was only because they were so far behind AMD and didn't have a choice. With AMD looking to be first again, it's highly likely that they'll be a bit conservative and bring out the midrange first.

I'm impressed with AMD's quickness in bringing out 28nm, but it does kind of suck that they're going to just barely miss BF/xmas season for 2 years in a row now.

 

[badb0y]

Probably going to push out low-mid range/laptop cards in December and performance parts Q1 next year.

 

[BrightCandle]

NV brought out fermi at 40nm on high end without much testing first, but that was only because they were so far behind AMD and didn't have a choice. With AMD looking to be first again, it's highly likely that they'll be a bit conservative and bring out the midrange first.

I'm impressed with AMD's quickness in bringing out 28nm, but it does kind of suck that they're going to just barely miss BF/xmas season for 2 years in a row now.

If the rumors are true the reason AMD is able to get the jump on NVidia this time around is because they are launching these low end GPUs on TSMC's lower power consumption 28nm process. I don't know whether they can launch the high end on the same process or if its too clock limited to be good for those cards.

That may mean we see NVidia and AMD both launch for the high end very close to each other, as soon as TSMC's process is working as it should.

Unless the naming scheme has changed I would consider the 77xx to be the midrange target card more than the 76xx. Personally I doubt I'll be interested in anything less than the 79xx cards.

 

[imaheadcase]

AMD is all about mobile. I would suspect that is the target, they make lots more mobile parts now.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

last time they were testing the waters of 40nm with the 5770.
This time? Testing the waters of 28nm with 7770?

it was the 4770 (a purpose built 4830) that came before the 5000 series on 40nm

but they do have a track record of testing new fabrication processes with lower end parts predating that

 

[bunnyfubbles]

NV brought out fermi at 40nm on high end without much testing first, but that was only because they were so far behind AMD and didn't have a choice. With AMD looking to be first again, it's highly likely that they'll be a bit conservative and bring out the midrange first.

I'm impressed with AMD's quickness in bringing out 28nm, but it does kind of suck that they're going to just barely miss BF/xmas season for 2 years in a row now.

I had my 5850 long before BC2

 

[bryanW1995]

That was 2009, however. 2010 they were so late with 69x0 that they basically ceded the xmas season to NV, while now in 2011 nobody will get the xmas season at all apparently.

 

[veri745]

All I know is that I am done with 32nm. Bring on the new cards!

Done with your 32nm video card? I'd like to see that one...

 

[formulav8]

Yeah I think he meant 40nm

 

[Paul98]

hmm now should I wait for 7 series reviews to come out before I buy a new computer. I was planning on waiting till I saw BF3 full game benchmarks.

 

[Squirtmonster]

It will be there mobile line, Nvidia is also releasing thier mobile line as well.
This is old news.

Read this..

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/24549-no-desktop-radeon-this-year

 

[RussianSensation]

while now in 2011 nobody will get the xmas season at all apparently.

Exactly. I believe that last year the HD6900 series launched around the week of Dec 15-21, but that is way too late for X-Mas season sales ramp-up and the cards had limited availability.

By Dec of this year, all of the major/demanding PC games will have been released. At first a gamer might have wanted to upgrade for SKYRIM or BF3 but since next generation of cards didn't arrive on time (i.e, not expected to), they may just find that their card plays those games pretty well with some settings turned down. They may actually come to a realization that their HD5850/5870/6950/6970/GTX560Ti/470/480/570/580 etc. is still pretty fast since they will be playing these games on their current card.

Here is my perspective:

1) Both NV and AMD didn't release anything in the fall. If they are not going to launch in large volumes in Q4, then it really doesn't matter when they launch in Q1 2012, not until March 2012 (see point #3). I might be wrong but I think historically Q1 is a slow sales period for hardware anyway.

2) Since major generation cycles have now been extended to 24 months, if one brand launches 1-3 months earlier, that's no longer as important as in the past since the performance level is expected to be roughly the same for the next 20+ months after that. So might as well wait to see what the competitor brings if you are dropping $350-500 on a card and expect to keep it for that period.

3) The next round of games for 2012 may be Syndicate (March 1, 2012), Mass Effect 3 (March 6, 2012 <-- but this likely won't be graphically demanding), Max Payne 3 (March 2012). It seems there is not much to be excited about for PC games until March 2012 after SKYRIM.

 

[Madcatatlas]

That was 2009, however. 2010 they were so late with 69x0 that they basically ceded the xmas season to NV, while now in 2011 nobody will get the xmas season at all apparently.

Or Nvidia might swoop in with the 5xx refresh in the form of new 6xx parts and totally own AMD which seems to be sick with their selfinflicted CPU bulls''t marketting in all departments lately.

Cant belive the mess they have made out of a simple GPU release. If I was in any sort of position in AMD where i could forward the company by speaking out, i would come out and say what the bloody heck im going to release come desember 6th or whatever this year. Because:

They have said, publicly, that they will release 7xxx GCN parts this year. i cant be bothered to dig up the article or the forum topic including the statement, but it should be there.

If its a low mobile part, just say it is for fs. Openness and honesty have never failed to get my attention and admiration.

 

[RussianSensation]

They have said, publicly, that they will release 7xxx GCN parts this year. i cant be bothered to dig up the article or the forum topic including the statement, but it should be there.

If its a low mobile part, just say it is for fs.

See but they never specified what parts are coming out.

It could be desktop and/or mobile. It doesn't even have to be high end parts. It could be only HD7400/7500/7600 series for mobile. What AMD has demonstrated so far have been mobile, not desktop parts.

 

[Kenmitch]

Done with your 32nm video card? I'd like to see that one...

Both AMD and Intel make 32nm gpu's integrated with the cpu's maybe he's sporting one of them.

I'm still waiting for double the performance of my 5850 for the $200 mark before I consider another video card.

 

[Obsoleet]

Finally a worthy replacement for my 5870?
Looking at the BF3 benchmarks makes it hard to let go of the old trusty beast. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2182821