AMD Releases Catalyst 7.1

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Why does it need to be added to SLI Ackmed?

With nvidia drivers we are not limited to the profiles that nvidia provides us with - we can freely create our own and configure said profile any way we see fit - including SLI rendering methods.

Having a global SLI profile is stupid because not all games will use that SLI rendering method.

Oh, and it was YOU that started the nonsense as several people have already pointed out. Why don't you go back on holiday or whatever it was you were doing? We didn't miss you...

Because not everyone knows the best profile to make, or even how to make one. There are a lot of users who buy a new OEM PC, that dont have a clue how to. Having a default method that enables SLI for any game, without the user having to do anything, is a good thing to me. As well as making sure it works with any game, without having to make a profile. To me, thats an advantage, as to many others it is. Do you even have an ATI card, or Crossfire...

I didnt start nonesense, I stated a fact. It wasnt 100% pro-NV like you like a post to me, and you didnt like it. Brent Justice stated the same thing. Go tell him he is stupid for saying the same thing.

You think I missed you? You responded to my post, as always. Not the other way around. You always respond to me, not me to you. I wasnt on a holiday, how many holidays are three months long? *sigh*

You can already do what you want. Set sli in the global profile to be "Auto".

If someone doesn't know how to make a profile or select the various rendering modes then they certainly aren't going to know if SLI is actually enabled or not, let alone order a SLI pc from an OEM...

 

[Ackmed]

I know you can do it, but its not that way by default. Its not an issue for me, or most on these boards I would imagine. Its not a big issue at all, I simply pointed it out to be better imo.

You're pretty ignorant if you dont think people who dont have much of a clue dont order high end PC's. Virtually everyone who asks me for help on their PC, dont have a clue to what they have. You can see proof of these even on these boards. A lot of people dont even know what AA/AF is even to this day. Same goes for cars... people buy high end, without much of a clue whats under the hood. Ask them if they have a 4, 6, or 8 cylinder, and they give you the deer in head lights look. Many, many people buy high end PC's and dont have any clue whats inside, its just "the best" or has cool looking lights, and thats good enough for them.

 

[40sTheme]

Will you guys take it to PM, please? Stop ratting up these nice forums with a bunch of senseless arguments.
NVIDIA AND AMD/ATI ARE GOOD FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT. There is no contest because they are both equally good. It just depends on what you want. Now, if you want to keep arguing, do it amongst yourselves, please.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I know you can do it, but its not that way by default. Its not an issue for me, or most on these boards I would imagine. Its not a big issue at all, I simply pointed it out to be better imo.

You're pretty ignorant if you dont think people who dont have much of a clue dont order high end PC's. Virtually everyone who asks me for help on their PC, dont have a clue to what they have. You can see proof of these even on these boards. A lot of people dont even know what AA/AF is even to this day. Same goes for cars... people buy high end, without much of a clue whats under the hood. Ask them if they have a 4, 6, or 8 cylinder, and they give you the deer in head lights look. Many, many people buy high end PC's and dont have any clue whats inside, its just "the best" or has cool looking lights, and thats good enough for them.

It isn't default, because a better way (profiles) already exists.

I guess ATi/AMD like to treat their customers like clueless morons (and judging by what the fanatics post all over the web they would be justified in their belief...)

 

[BFG10K]

No its not. Its a new feature in the drivers.

How is it new? You could already force AFR by setting Cat AI to high in the past. The only thing new is perhaps that it works with OpenGL applications now.

Its a new feature in the drivers. And to me something NV needs to add to SLI.

No they don't and let's not pretend ATi has some kind of superior control scheme with Crossfire. Remember, ATi is the one that doesn't have customisable Crossfire profiles and existing Crossfire profiles sit encrypted in the driver and the user can't touch them.

On nVidia I can create a profile to force any kind of SLI I want on a per-game basis. How do I do that on ATi?

Having a default method that enables SLI for any game, without the user having to do anything, is a good thing to me. As well as making sure it works with any game, without having to make a profile.

But it won't work for any game and that's the whole point of profiles - so that if it doesn't work you can change it. If AFR doesn't work you're SOL on ATi but on nVidia you can tell the profile to do something else instead.

If you're going to troll against nVidia at least have some clue as what SLI can actually do.

 

[Zenoth]

Hey guys I don't know if some of you noticed what follows, if you tested 7.1 with 3DMark05 1.3.0, but take a look at the screen-shot I took after my test:

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7584/notfmapprovedhn9.jpg

I compared my result with Catalyst 6.11 (same settings and everything else, just different drivers), and I noticed that it says "WHQL - Not FM Approved" under "Driver Status", for Catalyst 7.1. On the other hand, it says "WHQL - FM Approved" for Catalyst 6.11.

What does that mean exactly ? Are the officially released Catalyst 7.1 in fact not properly certified ? Is there any known bug in the drivers ? Or is it just related to Futuremark's 3DMark applications that have a problem to recognize the driver's authentication ?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor


It isn't default, because a better way (profiles) already exists.

I guess ATi/AMD like to treat their customers like clueless morons (and judging by what the fanatics post all over the web they would be justified in their belief...)

Typical of you. Resorting to personal attacks.

Also typical of you being so arrogant that you think you way, is the only way. Same as you dont think NV "dumbs down" things for the casual user. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. In any event, Im done reading and responding to your posts. Hypocritical trolling is not needed.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

No its not. Its a new feature in the drivers.

How is it new? You could already force AFR by setting Cat AI to high in the past. The only thing new is perhaps that it works with OpenGL applications now.

Its a new feature in the drivers. And to me something NV needs to add to SLI.

No they don't and let's not pretend ATi has some kind of superior control scheme with Crossfire. Remember, ATi is the one that doesn't have customisable Crossfire profiles and existing Crossfire profiles sit encrypted in the driver and the user can't touch them.

On nVidia I can create a profile to force any kind of SLI I want on a per-game basis. How do I do that on ATi?

Having a default method that enables SLI for any game, without the user having to do anything, is a good thing to me. As well as making sure it works with any game, without having to make a profile.

But it won't work for any game and that's the whole point of profiles - so that if it doesn't work you can change it. If AFR doesn't work you're SOL on ATi but on nVidia you can tell the profile to do something else instead.

If you're going to troll against nVidia at least have some clue as what SLI can actually do.

It is new. Its set up this way by default, it wasnt before.

I know you can create a profile with NV, I never said you couldnt. Dont put words in my mouth, or assume.

I didnt troll, but others who did, you didnt mention, funny that. Ive used SLI much more than you, again, dont assume.

Dont try some quote tree argument again, I dont have the time to waste that you do.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: spittledip
Bizarre! This one heats up my card also!! Another roll back for me..

Ok, this is really odd. I updated from 6.11 to 7.1 yesterday and I noticed this too. Idle temp went from 38°C to 46°C (I have an Accelero X2 at 100% full time via a BIOS mod). What gives?

The driver update prior to this one also heated up my card. What type of card do you have? I have a vanilla x800.

 

[brianmanahan]

LOL, this cat fight is the funniest thing I've seen possibly an hour.

 

[CP5670]

I don't care much about the ATI driver releases these days, unless they put the smartshader feature that was removed in 6.4 back in.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: CP5670
I don't care much about the ATI driver releases these days, unless they put the smartshader feature that was removed in 6.4 back in.

Do you mean the ability to override the Pixel and Vertex Shader version in a given application ?

If so just use ATi Tray Tools, that utility is a life saver. I haven't used CCC since so long that I can't even remember when I first tried it or when I last saw it installed on my PC, it must be since they released it or something. I always used ATT instead. If that's not what you meant then sorry I guess.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Hey guys I don't know if some of you noticed what follows, if you tested 7.1 with 3DMark05 1.3.0, but take a look at the screen-shot I took after my test:

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7584/notfmapprovedhn9.jpg

I compared my result with Catalyst 6.11 (same settings and everything else, just different drivers), and I noticed that it says "WHQL - Not FM Approved" under "Driver Status", for Catalyst 7.1. On the other hand, it says "WHQL - FM Approved" for Catalyst 6.11.

What does that mean exactly ? Are the officially released Catalyst 7.1 in fact not properly certified ? Is there any known bug in the drivers ? Or is it just related to Futuremark's 3DMark applications that have a problem to recognize the driver's authentication ?

The driver is probably just too new for FutureMark to have approved it yet.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: CP5670
I don't care much about the ATI driver releases these days, unless they put the smartshader feature that was removed in 6.4 back in.

Do you mean the ability to override the Pixel and Vertex Shader version in a given application ?

If so just use ATi Tray Tools, that utility is a life saver. I haven't used CCC since so long that I can't even remember when I first tried it or when I last saw it installed on my PC, it must be since they released it or something. I always used ATT instead. If that's not what you meant then sorry I guess.

I'm referring to this:
http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=30209&goto=nextoldest
(not a very good example, but it shows what the thing does)

The "lite" version of the effect actually used to look quite good in several older games, but it hasn't worked ever since 6.4. You can turn it on through ATT but it has no effect. So I have to decide whether to use 6.3 and keep this feature or benefit from the significant performance improvements in newer drivers.

 

[BFG10K]

It is new.

Uh, no. AFR was already being forced at the global level with previous drivers by setting Cat AI to high, the only thing "new" here is that it's enabled by default.

Also you claim it's such a great thing for newbies yet ignore their predicament if it turns out AFR doesn't work in their particular application.

I didnt troll, but others who did, you didnt mention, funny that.

Yes you did. In a thread about Catalyst 7.1 you just couldn't resist a jab at nVidia despite nVidia's SLI profile management system being far superior to ATi's Crossfire, as if ATi's default AFR somehow negates these advantages.

Ive used SLI much more than you, again, dont assume

Now who's making the assumption?

Dont try some quote tree argument again,

Is that supposed to be a threat or something?

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

It is new.

Uh, no. AFR was already being forced at the global level with previous drivers by setting Cat AI to high, the only thing "new" here is that it's enabled by default.

Also you claim it's such a great thing for newbies yet ignore their predicament if it turns out AFR doesn't work in their particular application.

I didnt troll, but others who did, you didnt mention, funny that.

Yes you did. In a thread about Catalyst 7.1 you just couldn't resist a jab at nVidia despite nVidia's SLI profile management system being far superior to ATi's Crossfire, as if ATi's default AFR somehow negates these advantages.

Ive used SLI much more than you, again, dont assume

Now who's making the assumption?

Dont try some quote tree argument again,

Is that supposed to be a threat or something?

BFG10K Headshot!
BFG10K is DOMINATING!

 

[Xdreamer]

this supports my x1950xt ... excellent. Im a total noob here what is trolling?

 

[LittleNemoNES]

:shocked:

Here you go: Troll

Originally posted by: Xdreamer
this supports my x1950xt ... excellent. Im a total noob here what is trolling?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

It is new.

Uh, no. AFR was already being forced at the global level with previous drivers by setting Cat AI to high, the only thing "new" here is that it's enabled by default.

Also you claim it's such a great thing for newbies yet ignore their predicament if it turns out AFR doesn't work in their particular application.

I didnt troll, but others who did, you didnt mention, funny that.

Yes you did. In a thread about Catalyst 7.1 you just couldn't resist a jab at nVidia despite nVidia's SLI profile management system being far superior to ATi's Crossfire, as if ATi's default AFR somehow negates these advantages.

Ive used SLI much more than you, again, dont assume

Now who's making the assumption?

Dont try some quote tree argument again,

Is that supposed to be a threat or something?

You're right, it wont always work. And I should have pointed that out. However, what they did, is better than not having any sort of multi-GPU support for a new game that doesnt have a profile in the drivers.

Its far from a jab. If you feel that way, its not my problem. I simply said, "unlike SLI". Which is the truth. Several reviewers from well respected sites have said the same thing. Feel free to go tell them they are wrong too. Ive also said many, many times before, that SLI has a huge advantage over CF because you can create a profile, and pick from several different kinds of multi-GPU rendering. Ive also said that ATi needs to adpot this in the future. They said they were working on it (Im fairly sure I read that several months ago), yet its not out yet, and I wouldnt hold my breath for it. There are things I like about SLI over CF, and vice versa. Same as with the cards themselves.

Its not an assumption, its a fact. Feel free to compare if you like. Im willing to bet I had SLI first, have had more cards in SLI, and have used it more.

No, its not threat. Stop reading into posts so much. I dont have the time that you seem to have, to make a 20 quote tree post, nor do I want to. You like to argue, and keep going, and going. Im not going to participate in that, which is all I said.