AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and 56 Reviews [*UPDATED* Aug 28]

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PeterScott

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There are non idiot miners if that's what you are asking.

I never said anything about idiots. I said the pricing was silly. Unless someone can make money on it mining.

Newegg.ca has it for $374. You can get the RX 570 for $300. The thing is, just few weeks ago literally nothing were available for buy. So its a change.

I was looking at 8GB version of the 580. There are only two models in stock at newegg.ca. One is $489, the other >$900.

There are only two models for RX 570 in stock at newegg.ca, they start at $394.
 

IntelUser2000

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I was looking at 8GB version of the 580. There are only two models in stock at newegg.ca. One is $489, the other >$900.

There are only two models for RX 570 in stock at newegg.ca, they start at $394.

You can get the selfie bundle for $304. The $394 is one that comes with an HDD, which itself is a deal.

If you look at in terms of mining either models work well. For building a computer they have an RX 580 with a Ryzen motherboard bundle for $418. That's a $290 RX 580 if you want the board.

Prices are inflated but I'd say its cooling down. If Vega is relying on mining for sales, its coming at a bad time. Even during the days of non availability you could find sites to get 1-2 cards if you really searched for it.
 

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That is good, what linux distro you on? Personally, I would wait for the custom cooled vega 56, not sure if those will be out right away or not.
 

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this is the last place i expected to see GoT spoilers! O.O
this release has also had side effects on the second hand market. before Vega i could see some GTX1080s listed on boards where i live, now you just can't find them.
Vega's ineptitude has caused people to hold on to their cards, and someone like me who was waiting to see reviews before getting a card is now screwed. (meaning, stuck with a GTX680)
guess i'll keep playing 2D games til Q2'18.
 
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They all have Gibbo as the main source.
Nope, None of them actually cite Gibbo as a direct source, but rather have their info from other places, here is Steve for example, getting his info from AIB partners :
AIB Partners to GN: Gibbo Was Right About AMD Price Changing
In speaking with different sources from different companies that work with AMD, GamersNexus learned that “Gibbo is right” regarding the AMD rebate expiry and subsequent price jump.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3023-aib-partners-to-gn-yes-vega-price-will-change
 

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True. AMD has a small window of 6 months before Volta comes and makes AMD's entire product stack obsolete. I am expecting a hammering to AMD GPU market share in 2018. We can expect a 40-50% perf increase at ever product tier.

GTX 2060 - faster than GTX 1070 - USD 250 - USD 300
GTX 2070 - slightly below GTX 1080 Ti - USD 400 - USD 450
GTX 2080 - 10-20% faster than GTX 1080 Ti - USD 500 - USD 550
GTX 2080Ti - 35% faster than GTX 2080. - USD 700 - USD 800

True expect I think Volta consumer will be Q2 2018 which was more or less said by their CEO. As I already said in this thread. After this release, NV has 0 rush. They will most likely reduce personnel assigned to Volta consumer project meaning delay it and invest more somewhere else.
 

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I doubt if there's so many left on Volta by now anyway - they'll be working away on the Volta +1/2 generations.... The basic technology rolled in V100, by now I guess they're mostly waiting for the various technologies to align properly.
(12nm to be cheap enough, GDDR6 etc.).





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I doubt if there's so many left on Volta by now anyway - they'll be working away on the Volta +1/2 generations.... The basic technology rolled in V100, by now I guess they're mostly waiting for the various technologies to align properly.
(12nm to be cheap enough, GDDR6 etc.).

We don't even know if they're using 12FFN or 14FF on consumer Volta, atm.

Consumer Volta is probably mid-Q2.




This is a Vega thread, not an NVidia thread.
You want to talk about NVidia? Make your own thread.


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We don't even know if they're using 12FFN or 14FF on consumer Volta, atm.

Consumer Volta is probably mid-Q2.
With the way Vega launch is being handled, for a lot of people Volta will be in play by the time Vega is available at a reasonable price for them.
 
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Why is everyone calling next gen Nvidia cards the 20xx series? According to the progression, it should be the 11XX series.





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You want to talk about NVidia? Make your own thread.


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2080 is a better branding than 1180 :>
Possibly, but AFAIK there was no announcement of the naming of the new series, and we had quite a straightforward 1xx->2xx->3xx->4xx->5xx->6xx->7xx->8xx (Mobile)->9xx->10xx so next one should be the 11xx, unless a change in NV's naming scheme..





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Possibly, but AFAIK there was no announcement of the naming of the new series, and we had quite a straightforward 1xx->2xx->3xx->4xx->5xx->6xx->7xx->8xx (Mobile)->9xx->10xx so next one should be the 11xx, unless a change in NV's naming scheme..

why can't it go to 20xx > 30xx >40xx etc... 11xx is silly, imo.
 

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why can't it go to 20xx > 30xx >40xx etc... 11xx is silly, imo.

His point is after GeForce 10th gen comes 11th gen. But naming schemes don't have to make sense, they need to appeal the consumer and GTX20 is more appealing than GTX11 as it brings a bigger leap ahead feel :>






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Possibly, but AFAIK there was no announcement of the naming of the new series, and we had quite a straightforward 1xx->2xx->3xx->4xx->5xx->6xx->7xx->8xx (Mobile)->9xx->10xx so next one should be the 11xx, unless a change in NV's naming scheme..

Except we aren't heading for Generation 11. It's more like generation 21.

The last time NVidia did the 9, 10, 11 thing they went:

9xxx (AKA 9800GT)
100
200 (not 110).

This time:
900 series
10 series
Next:
20 series is perfectly logical, and better from a marketing perspective.
 
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Can anyone explain why hbcc adds performance if the games tested do not exceed the 8gb memory limit?

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This pricing situation is looking very ugly.

Could have got a 480 last year. Waited for Vega. Could have got a Fury air for a great price earlier this year. Waited for Vega. Could have got a 580 in that oh so brief period before the miners arrived in full force. Waited for Vega.

If the AIB 56 isn't reasonably priced there's basically nowhere to upgrade or even sidegrade to, suspect a lot of others are in the same boat. Started to look at the NV/Gsync ecosystem in preparation.
I am a moderate amd fanboy and a Nvidia hater but even I just recently bought a gigabyte g1 1080 + a g-sync display...

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Nope, None of them actually cite Gibbo as a direct source, but rather have their info from other places, here is Steve for example, getting his info from AIB partners :
AIB Partners to GN: Gibbo Was Right About AMD Price Changing

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3023-aib-partners-to-gn-yes-vega-price-will-change

This does make sense. A Vega 56/64 ($399/$499 MSRP) will have a similar production cost to GTX 1080i/Titan Xp ($699/$1199 MSRP).

AMD is likely desperate to improve it's profit margin on it's cards, and don't appear to be offering enough retail margin, so that it is reasonable for retailers to sell them at the claimed MSRPs.

Instead, AMD offered a limited rebate so there could be some cards sold matching the unrealistic MSRP claim. That claimed MSRP lets them look reasonable in reviews, and then blame retailers for price increases when the rebates evaporate.

It's all part of this disastrous launch. Trying to prop up one aspect, just pulls down another.
 
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as much as I still want a 64 I keep finding factors that work against buying one. price, being the obvious main repellent, aside I don't appreciate the heavy power draw and lousy air cooling on reference cards. there will be aftermarket blocks, sure, but that's not going to unlock the limits of the reference PCB. AIB cards will come next month but prices and supply will continue to go hand in hand into oblivion and the power draw will remain or be worse for OC models. the Ryzen packs offer a nice option for those looking to build brand new systems, but those of us who've already built with Ryzen (and were likely subject to waiting weeks for a Ryzen motherboard post-launch) aren't going to benefit from that at all. i could care less about how the card performs for ethereum, as I consider that irresponsible and an ignorant waste of energy. the biggest turn off for me though is the "at the end of the day" result... or lack thereof.

AMD invested a ton into VEGA and Samsung is the only company producing the expensive memory... which to me isn't all that great anyway. Due to that the prices are likely to remain high since AMD actually needs to make a profit on these expensive roided up radeons. I'd actually rather have a faster and more efficient card with boring GDDR5... it would cost much less, not cost as much to run, and the supply would likely be there.
 

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Can anyone explain why hbcc adds performance if the games tested do not exceed the 8gb memory limit?

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Hbcc also controls the memory sistem of the gpu, this control is done today by the game engines... at the cost of additional latency. It helps some bad optimazed code, while it hurts good ones.
Thing is, this kinda of codes aren't really performance critical... just a pain for developers to handle
 
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