***AMD Radeon HD7970 GHZ Edition - Official Reviews Thread***

[Skurge]

480 is considerably faster than the 5870 right now, in the titles people talk about like BF3, BMAC there is a huge performance difference between the two.

As far as compute goes Nvidia actually had support in place for many software titles people were using, AMD clearly does not. It's still the best option there due to software reliance, though at least AMD now has capable hardware. If only they didn't have such a woeful history on the software side.

PhysX provides IQ that AMD simply can't compete with, after a point fps stop mattering because they're so far past what you can actually see with your large 60Hz monitor that "faster' isn't actually faster, and higher IQ provided is all that really matters. BM:AC is a perfect example where Nv provides a far better end user experience as well as far higher visual fidelity. It's a far better option to increase IQ than ever increasing amounts of AA past 4x.


My i5 runs at 5.4GHz for gaming, and my three cards are worlds faster than a single 7970 while being similarly priced with water.


Indeed they are, have you seen their "gpu boost" lol gawd, it's awful how far behind the curve AMD is.

Not really, the gap is the same as it was when they came out. Some games the gap is larger, others it's non existant or reveresed. the 480 still uses nearly double the power.
http://translate.google.com.na/tran...a=X&ei=NYHoT8TeG8i7hAfh1_TOCQ&ved=0CGcQ7gEwAA

Physx looks aweful to me, poorly implemented. It looks nice in Alice, but not that great in anything else.

Dirt Showdown has much better lighting then any other racing game out there. All enabled by AMD and nV user can have that too.

Same with the DOF and shadows in sniper elite and Nexuiz. In Just cause 2, only nV user had that.

So when it's your cards, you don't talk about power use, just perf/$, yeah, those 900W your 470s use is a non factor? I didn't think you were this obvious. Incredible really.

 

[master_shake_]

really coil whine at desktop with 2d clocks and you have coil whine

i guess your broad sweeping statement must be true.

 

[Olikan]

Pretty petty these "arguments" people have, reduced to calling people fanboys/thread crappers/trolls just because they point out a couple negative aspects of a company designed to exploit end users for maximum profits.

welcome to capitalism :thumbsup:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Well I've enjoyed myself a bit, thanks for the entertainment this morning.

Well, everyone except Skurge, you scared me with your post. I thought I was having a stoke as I read through it.

I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. It will be the last time you'll be posting here for quite some time
-ViRGE

 

[SirPauly]

Not really, the gap is the same as it was when they came out. Some games the gap is larger, others it's non existant or reveresed. the 480 still uses nearly double the power.
http://translate.google.com.na/tran...a=X&ei=NYHoT8TeG8i7hAfh1_TOCQ&ved=0CGcQ7gEwAA

Physx looks aweful to me, poorly implemented. It looks nice in Alice, but not that great in anything else.

Dirt Showdown has much better lighting then any other racing game out there. All enabled by AMD and nV user can have that too.

Same with the DOF and shadows in sniper elite and Nexuiz. In Just cause 2, only nV user had that.

So when it's your cards, you don't talk about power use, just perf/$, yeah, those 900W your 470s use is a non factor? I didn't think you were this obvious. Incredible really.

Interesting, seem to forget about native Stereo3d support only for AMD GPU's for Deus EX.

 

[Don Karnage]

The posters in this forum. When the 480 came out, power use didn't matter. Compute did and DX11 performance did when there like DX11 games out. Now the 7970GE is the fastest thing out power use is really important and high ress, high AA is irrelevent now. So is compute. Even though games are using it now. at leaset talk of physx has all but died out.

People with 4.5ghz+ CPUs and 3+ GPUs are talking about how a 7970 uses tons of power.

Yeah AMD is the joke here.

How is the 7970 the best available?

 

[KompuKare]

It's pretty clear that when it comes to Nvidia, lots of members here have rose-coloured glasses. But other forums aren't that much better. People behave as if they were shareholders or something.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned in the graphic chip business, the biggest blunder / mess-up of all time has ever perpetrated by Nvidia: yes I'm once again talking about bumpgate. Nothing else even comes close that catastrophe and probably millions of machines were affected and not just some 8400M / 8600M either: I've seen 8400Ms, 8800GTs and some nForce 7050. And guess what? Every one of those parts were on muckraker's Charlie original list.

I was personally affected by their poor products and tons of people I know were too. And despite the lawsuit which forced Nvidia to offer something to owners of certain laptops, nobody I know got anything.

 

[Skurge]

Interesting, seem to forget about native Stereo3d support only for AMD GPU's for Deus EX.

Sorry, I forgot about that, didn't that have something to do with the way nV drivers handle 3D? I don't know much about 3D though. It was still a D!ck move on AMD's part.

How is the 7970 the best available?

Never said it was the best. I actually think it's not a great card. It's faster than the 680 in general, but uses way too much power is too loud. I said earlier in this thread I would never have the reference 7970GE in my system. The 680 is a little slower, but outside of 2560x1440/1600 and 3 monitor systems, it's the beter card at the same price.

Custom 7970s are another case entirely.

 

[lopri]

Really? Cause I have 16 7970s and they all have coil whine even at desktop, where they stutter from MS and I get low fps in aero with screen tearing too!

Crazy how we could have two different experiences!

That's one of the reasons why I maintain two systems with each vendor's cards. (usually one mid-range and one high-end) I get to know who the trolls/marketeers/fanboys are in the forums.

Edit: Talking about trols/marketeers/fanboys, s/he is back in this thread silently after her/his earlier posts disappeared mysteriously. Really, AT Forums?

 

[moriz]

The 7970 I owned didn't have coil whine; neither did my friend's. I did own a 670 with horrible coil whine though.

Coil whine has nothing to do with which brand the card happens to be. You can get it from just about any electronic with a complex pcb.

 

[SirPauly]

Sorry, I forgot about that, didn't that have something to do with the way nV drivers handle 3D? I don't know much about 3D though. It was still a D!ck move on AMD's part.

I did take it as a positive over-all though because AMD and their developer relations are trying to create 3d stereo awareness and improve gaming experience potential for their customers. Nothing was stopping nVidia to improve the stereo 3d experience for their customers, which they did, imho.

 

[blackened23]

Really? Cause I have 16 7970s and they all have coil whine even at desktop, where they stutter from MS and I get low fps in aero with screen tearing too!

Crazy how we could have two different experiences!

You done trolling yet? Can you stick to rational arguments instead of posting this "AMD sucks" garbage?

 

[Grooveriding]

this thread is useless now

Another one bites the dust.

 

[Silverforce11]

What a joke, suddenly we have the same ppl who used to spout "POWER USE MATTERS??? LOL!!!1111!!" are now suddenly eco-green converts.

This entire release is a pointless exercise in all but marketting, and i dont think its going to do much til they price drop it to $450. 7970s OC (with custom coolers from almost every brand) were already the fastest single gpu card and can be had for less. This is just bringing it to the stupid. AMD : "hey, you there enthusiast!! buy our $500 card, we've done a mild OC for you and charged $50 extra for it!". It's a joke they didn't even bother to bin low volt chips for this "special" edition card.

Lets meet again at this years end or Q1 2013 and have the same fanboy-filled troll sessions about the 8970 vs gtx780 ok???

 

[blackened23]

this thread is useless now

quoted for truth

 

[BallaTheFeared]

What a joke, suddenly we have the same ppl who used to spout "POWER USE MATTERS??? LOL!!!1111!!" are now suddenly eco-green converts.

You're telling me, the same people who used to value price/perf and perf/watt now buy 7970's like they aren't garbage in every one of those metrics.


As the world turns...

 

[master_shake_]

You're telling me, the same people who used to value price/perf and perf/watt now buy 7970's like they aren't garbage in every one of those metrics.


As the world turns...

in canada where i live the cheapest gtx 680 is 520 dollars the cheapest 7970 is 440 dollars,
http://www.directdial.com/GV-R795WF3-3GD.html
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/242051/Gigabyte/GV_N680OC_2GD/

the price to performance winner here is the 7970...

the 680 was good when it was heavily discounted at launch...

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

What a joke, suddenly we have the same ppl who used to spout "POWER USE MATTERS??? LOL!!!1111!!" are now suddenly eco-green converts.

This entire release is a pointless exercise in all but marketting, and i dont think its going to do much til they price drop it to $450. 7970s OC (with custom coolers from almost every brand) were already the fastest single gpu card and can be had for less. This is just bringing it to the stupid. AMD : "hey, you there enthusiast!! buy our $500 card, we've done a mild OC for you and charged $50 extra for it!". It's a joke they didn't even bother to bin low volt chips for this "special" edition card.

Lets meet again at this years end or Q1 2013 and have the same fanboy-filled troll sessions about the 8970 vs gtx780 ok???

Power consumption and perf/per watt are big deals in the enthusiast circle these days. Don't ask me what flipped the switch but it's one of the main selling points now.

 

[master_shake_]

Power consumption and perf/per watt are big deals in the enthusiast circle these days. Don't ask me what flipped the switch but it's one of the main selling points now.

cause nvidia told you it was...

Two weeks ago, NVIDIA held a press conference in San Francisco, California where hundreds of editors gathered from around the world for the opportunity to witness the unveiling of the company's latest card. At that time, sitting down and waiting for the presentation to start, I'm sure that many of us really didn't know where to set our expectations. We only knew one thing — Kepler is coming. By the end of the presentation, I can say that I was very impressed at what the card had to offer when it came to its hardware. A clear message that NVIDIA conveyed is that it's not always about raw performance numbers and that efficiency now plays a huge role in the overall rating of a product. NVIDIA was proud to introduce the GTX 680 as the fastest, most efficient GPU ever built, and performance per watt is what is important. Though a bold claim, NVIDIA's confidence was very contagious at this event. That being said, I can't wait to put the card on the hot seat to really see if NVIDIA is truly as proud of the GTX 680 as it seems to be!

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_gtx680/

then all the zealots run around screaming efficiency at the top of their lungs, Nvidia concerned about performance per watt...

thats the joke here.

 

[The_Golden_Man]

I dont care much if a card uses 50 or 100 Watts more than the next one, with regards to the power bill. However, more watts mean more heat and noise, and that I care about.

 

[lavaheadache]

480 is considerably faster than the 5870 right now, in the titles people talk about like BF3, BMAC there is a huge performance difference between the two.

As far as compute goes Nvidia actually had support in place for many software titles people were using, AMD clearly does not. It's still the best option there due to software reliance, though at least AMD now has capable hardware. If only they didn't have such a woeful history on the software side.

PhysX provides IQ that AMD simply can't compete with, after a point fps stop mattering because they're so far past what you can actually see with your large 60Hz monitor that "faster' isn't actually faster, and higher IQ provided is all that really matters. BM:AC is a perfect example where Nv provides a far better end user experience as well as far higher visual fidelity. It's a far better option to increase IQ than ever increasing amounts of AA past 4x.


My i5 runs at 5.4GHz for gaming, and my three cards are worlds faster than a single 7970 while being similarly priced with water.


Indeed they are, have you seen their "gpu boost" lol gawd, it's awful how far behind the curve AMD is.

How does the 480 do against the 5870 in Alan Wake?

Not everyone likes to play the same old war games tossed in our face every year. I like to play the unique games the come out every once in a while that break the mold.

Alan Wake, Metro, Batman, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, etc....

I haven't played BF3, nor will I probably get around to playing BF9. I'm not saying that htey are bad games just tired of the genre.

 

[ViRGE]

I have done some heavy pruning this afternoon. For anyone that still thinks trolling Video is acceptable, I suggest you reevaluate that if you want to continue posting here.

-ViRGE

 

[YBS1]

How does the 480 do against the 5870 in Alan Wake?

Having had Crossfired Gigabyte SOC 5870's and SLI'ed EVGA GTX 480's I can tell you from first hand experience that Alan Wake plays better on the 480's. I don't know what the benchmarks say as I didn't look it up but the actual play experience is better on the 480's. In fact for the most part with the exception of two games I've ran across the 480's have at worst felt the same but usually better than the Crossfired 5870's. Those two games were Metro 2033, which the 480's felt just as good but benched noticeably worse, and Black Ops which for reasons I don't understand plays like shit in SLI, it micro-stutters like hell. This never happened with the 5870's crossfired, but then again Crossfire flat out didn't work in Black Ops after the 11.7 Cats anyway so no big loss.

 

[hawtdawg]

does anyone know when these are supposed to hit the shelves?

 

[Cookie Monster]

I dont care much if a card uses 50 or 100 Watts more than the next one, with regards to the power bill. However, more watts mean more heat and noise, and that I care about.

I agree with this.

However, I think a comparison between the 7970GE and the GTX480 cant be made, because the latter had a 15% advantage against the competition where as this card doesn't seem to have enough of a lead to warrant the heat/noise characteristics let alone power consumption.