AMD questions

[Maximilian]

I have a few questions about AMD stuff.

What is llano? Is this phenom II's replacement? Who is it aimed at? Its an upgraded K10.5 i gather but why no L3 cache or no 6 core?

Why are they upgrading K10.5 with llano when bulldozer (which i gather is something brand new) will come out relatively soon? Is llano to be sold alongside bulldozer or what? Is this just a big test for AMDs own on die GPU?

 

[greenhawk]

What is llano? Is this phenom II's replacement?

llano and bulldozer will be size by side.

Llano is the low end cpu replacement. It is ment to cover the athlon and lower range IIRC. (the ones that intel has their i3's / celerons / atom's for).

Bulldozer is the replacement for phenom.

That is how I remember it is anyway from my reading. Not really interested in llano.

 

[GammaLaser]

Llano is the low end cpu replacement. It is ment to cover the athlon and lower range IIRC. (the ones that intel has their i3's / celerons / atom's for).

Wouldn't Intel Atom would be in AMD's Brazos territory, below Llano?

 

[veri745]

zacate/ontario: netbook / low end
llano: notebook / mainstream
bulldozer: high end desktop / server

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

zacate/ontario: netbook / low end
llano: notebook / mainstream
bulldozer: high end desktop / server

Yes, and no:

Brazos (Essential/low-end):

• Ontario (C-Series): Netbooks

• Zacate (E-Series): Ultra-portables

Llano (Mainstream):

• Replaces Phenom II X4 and under, with some IPC improvements (~6%)
• Mainstream Notebook and Desktops (up to 45W or 100W TDP, respectively).

Bulldozer (Performance):

• Replaces Phenom II X6; IPC improvements unknown
• Performance Desktops (up to 125W TDP).

 

[apoppin]

I have a few questions about AMD stuff.

What is llano?

Simply think of it as a total package and the answer to Intel's Core i-3; it is intended to walk all over SB IG and give a better gaming and multimedia experience

 

[veri745]

Yes, and no:

Brazos (Essential/low-end):

• Ontario (C-Series): Netbooks

• Zacate (E-Series): Ultra-portables

Llano (Mainstream):

• Replaces Phenom II X4 and under, with some IPC improvements (~6%)
• Mainstream Notebook and Desktops (up to 45W or 100W TDP, respectively).

Bulldozer (Performance):

• Replaces Phenom II X6; IPC improvements unknown
• Performance Desktops (up to 125W TDP).

In what way is this, "no"?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

In what way is this, "no"?

Llano isn't just for notebooks, and Zacate is for ultra-portables, not netbooks.

 

[garagisti]

There's really no need for me to complicate things for you, so i'll not.

If your usage mostly includes watching videos and occassional gaming at lower than 16xxX1050 resolution, then buy Llano (specifically A8 processor based system), as Llano supports DX11, and well, is good as a HTPC as well. If you buy Llano, but fast ram. 16xx Mhz is good, but 2xxx Mhz is better

If you are a hardcore gamer, well, wait for Bulldozer. I heard a SR2 user say that it will better i7 990X, so i'm waiting for it

i wonder if the reviewers here check the forums

 

[Maximilian]

Cool, i gather they support crossfire so does that mean llanos IGP will work together with an AMD discrete card for that bit of extra horsepower?

Or is it only on a dual cpu board with another llano CPU? Seems a bit niche and pointless if this is the case.

 

[GammaLaser]

Cool, i gather they support crossfire so does that mean llanos IGP will work together with an AMD discrete card for that bit of extra horsepower?

Yes, from http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/6

Asymmetric CrossFire is supported by desktop Llano APUs. You can combine your A6 or A8 with a Radeon HD 6450, 6570 or 6670 and have both GPUs work in tandem. There are some limitations as we found - mainly asymmetric CF only works in DX10 or DX11 games. While DirectX 9 titles will still function, performance will be suboptimal as you'll soon see.