AMD Pushes Back Barcelona Launch till August...Sept??!!

[Griswold]

Viditor, stop trying to beat common sense into fanboys and armchair CEOs - its futile.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Griswold
Viditor, stop trying to beat common sense into fanboys and armchair CEOs - its futile.

he IS a fanboy ... just one with the "official AMD" PoV
--i also notice Viditor is *afraid* to give his PoV in Video ... where he WILL get a response
:Q

AMD\ATI Interview

i wish AMD luck ... or sense

AMD has never been in as desperate a position before ... dragging the carcass of another badly integrated company along as they try to "figure" what is wrong

if their CEO wasn't still lying to us and taking us for fools - i'd say there was hope

 

[Zstream]

I came to this forum to read good links and all I see is you posting the usual ******.

First off AMD is going no where; they are not being bought by anyone. They are not selling so get that out of your head.

Second, Apoppin knows what everyone else does. We all look at the same websites and reviews. We look at the SAME press releases etc... I look at things rationally rather then like an excited 12 year old who says the same thing every few seconds.

Third, AMD has a TON of products along the way! More so then Intel.

Fourth, AMD has a large jump on Intel when it comes to fusion. I do not care who you are, fusion is the future. They have a good 8-12 month head start, it depends on how many resources Intel plans to place in the development. AMD has to stick with what they are doing.

Fifth, OEM's love AMD. I guess everyone forgot the post when AMD stated most of its GPU's are going to Dell and the other OEM's before it hits the regular consumer market.

Sixth, AMD is focusing on the server market. The server market provides a much larger cash revenue then the enthusiast market.

It is so funny when people go crazy. I actually find it funny. I remember Apoppin predicting the future with Intel integrated graphics. I could write a book on this but my passion is being hardware enthusiast unlike apoppin and many others.

On my desk lay a GTX, GTS, 2900, 1900, 1800XL, 7900gs, 7600gt.

My cpu's range the same on both sides.

I call it as I see it unlike some folks who talk crap but have 0 credibility. You either own the hardware and test or you look at Fudzilla and try to make predictions. I prefer to own the equipment and then talk. Maybe you should do the same?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Zstream
I came to this forum to read good links and all I see is you posting the usual ******.

First off AMD is going no where; they are not being bought by anyone. They are not selling so get that out of your head.

Second, Apoppin knows what everyone else does. We all look at the same websites and reviews. We look at the SAME press releases etc... I look at things rationally rather then like an excited 12 year old who says the same thing every few seconds.

Third, AMD has a TON of products along the way! More so then Intel.

Fourth, AMD has a large jump on Intel when it comes to fusion. I do not care who you are, fusion is the future. They have a good 8-12 month head start, it depends on how many resources Intel plans to place in the development. AMD has to stick with what they are doing.

Fifth, OEM's love AMD. I guess everyone forgot the post when AMD stated most of its GPU's are going to Dell and the other OEM's before it hits the regular consumer market.

Sixth, AMD is focusing on the server market. The server market provides a much larger cash revenue then the enthusiast market.

It is so funny when people go crazy. I actually find it funny. I remember Apoppin predicting the future with Intel integrated graphics. I could write a book on this but my passion is being hardware enthusiast unlike apoppin and many others.

On my desk lay a GTX, GTS, 2900, 1900, 1800XL, 7900gs, 7600gt.

My cpu's range the same on both sides.

I call it as I see it unlike some folks who talk crap but have 0 credibility. You either own the hardware and test or you look at Fudzilla and try to make predictions. I prefer to own the equipment and then talk. Maybe you should do the same?

Hi 'z' ... i see you got tossed out of video for lack of credibility ... so are here

AMD IS "going nowhere" ... i DO have to agree with you there ... that $700,000,000.00 LOSS in 3 months was just "weird", huh?


will AMD even be around for "fusion" ... in a few YEARS?
-not at the rate they are going

you claim to look at thing "rationally" ... but i don't ?
-good one

90% of the posters in Video DO disagree with your angry pro-AMD rants
-you are one of those folks "who talk crap but have 0 credibility" and absolutely no links to back you up ... just a "spew" of AMD propaganda and their CEO's "rehash of FUD"

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: Zstream
Third, AMD has a TON of products along the way! More so then Intel.

Not really true.

Fourth, AMD has a large jump on Intel when it comes to fusion. I do not care who you are, fusion is the future. They have a good 8-12 month head start, it depends on how many resources Intel plans to place in the development. AMD has to stick with what they are doing.

How do you know? Do you know exactly how far along Fusion is vis-a-vis Larrabee?

I call it as I see it unlike some folks who talk crap but have 0 credibility. You either own the hardware and test or you look at Fudzilla and try to make predictions. I prefer to own the equipment and then talk. Maybe you should do the same?

Oh? You have Fusion on your desk? How about Larrabee? Barcelona? Penryn?

 

[apoppin]

reinforcements



everyone in Video knows his MO

AMD is *dying* and i'd like to help
:Q

EDIT i mean AMD is dying and i'd like to help them
... prosper .. again

the FIRST thing AMD needs to realize is how precarious their position really is
--shutting their eyes and saying "it isn't so" ... like their fanboys ... doesn't make the bad reality go away

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
This seems to imply that they need to re-spin to get core speeds to a competitive level with Intel's goodies. Combine this with atrocious financial stature, and I think we'll see AMD get sold off to IBM or the like later this year. Sucks for AMD, sucks for the customer, I'd buy Intel stock ATM, and sell when the floor falls out under AMD.

So what about those reports stating that AMD was experiencing better than expected yields with Barcelona and gave them in the neighborhood of 500MHz higher clock speed than they originally thought they would have? Was that all BS too? My lord there has been some serious FUD out of them this past year.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Arkaign
This seems to imply that they need to re-spin to get core speeds to a competitive level with Intel's goodies. Combine this with atrocious financial stature, and I think we'll see AMD get sold off to IBM or the like later this year. Sucks for AMD, sucks for the customer, I'd buy Intel stock ATM, and sell when the floor falls out under AMD.

So what about those reports stating that AMD was experiencing better than expected yields with Barcelona and gave them in the neighborhood of 500MHz higher clock speed than they originally thought they would have? Was that all BS too? My lord there has been some serious FUD out of them this past year.

yes ... all that info originates with theInq ... they have a "fat pipeline" to the AMD FUD-machine ... remember, i posted it in Video!!

IF those reports were even half-true ... we'd see *benchmarks* ... not a song and a dance -*exactly* like with r600

even though they are trying an "honesty ploy" is their same stinking MO
.... their CEO is still a liar
:thumbsdown:

EDIT: found it ... from theInq ... may 7 ... what DOES it *really* mean ... *ONE* chip OC'd pretty well

no benchmarks ... no follow-up ... some fanboys will *seize* on this as good news
... well, it could be ... IF we could trust AMD, anymore after all the lies and spin.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39440

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: Viditor
It makes a good deal of sense that if this is true, AMD would scrap any launch with the "A" rev and start with the "B" rev at launch.

a-step to market is not possible for a new product; amd would never have planned it to begin with.

An A0 stepping, probably not...but there have been a number of Ax steppings released at launch in the past. Palamino for example actually launched with an A0 stepping, followed by A2 and A5.

 

[apoppin]

found it ... from theInq ... may 7 ... what DOES it *really* mean ... *ONE* chip OC'd pretty well

no benchmarks ... no follow-up ... some fanboys will *seize* on this as good news
... well, it could be ... IF we could trust AMD, anymore after all the lies and spin.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39440

We were told that the B0 stepping was due a few weeks ago, early April to be inexact, and they've been returned for inspection. If they were clean, they would be the launch stepping, and the Q2 date was do-able. If not, add in another few months, and you were looking at the end of Q3, maybe.

We understand that people in Austin were 'dancing in the aisles'. When asked if that was because of B0, we were told that people are very happy, very very happy, but he had 'never heard of such a thing'.

Another source claimed the memory controller, long a bottleneck in K8 scaling, came in way better than expected.

So what do you end up with? A massive gain in frequency. ...

The only question that remains is what volumes AMD can deliver at these speeds.

did you note the 4X multiple "disclaimers"

"we were told" -twice

"we understand" they were 'dancing' [but will deny it under questioning]

and "another source claimed"

do you see AMD's attempt on a "positive spin" ... the FUD machine at work in theInq?

where are the stupid barcelona benches? they NEVER were afraid to release them before

where's the beef?

Flopalona may well be a "way" off ... past September ... IF r600 is a clue
--it appears that r600 had THIRTEEN steppings before AMD's stopgap-flagship under-performer was released to massive "negative buzz"

edit: here is the *key* from theInq

If they were clean, they would be the launch stepping, and the Q2 date was do-able. If not, add in another few months, and you were looking at the end of Q3, maybe.

so now, i'll Unlock the latest news - using AMD's own FUD, courtesy of theInq - and we NOW see that April B0 stepping "sucks" for quality yields and Barcelona is pushed forward to September ... maybe!

it's easy to 'analyze' if you read between their own lines ... they will not "outright" lie

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Griswold
Viditor, stop trying to beat common sense into fanboys and armchair CEOs - its futile.

he IS a fanboy ... just one with the "official AMD" PoV
--i also notice Viditor is *afraid* to give his PoV in Video ... where he WILL get a response
:Q

AMD\ATI Interview

i wish AMD luck ... or sense

AMD has never been in as desperate a position before ... dragging the carcass of another badly integrated company along as they try to "figure" what is wrong

if their CEO wasn't still lying to us and taking us for fools - i'd say there was hope

Sigh...let me address this in order:

1. I am not a fanboy, I'm an investor with a rather large current holding of AMD shares. I have an admitted AMD bias, but I have also had many posts that favour Intel...for example, just a year ago there were a whole slew of equally uninformed posters predicting that Intel was doomed and that AMD would have the entire market within 10 years. Obviously I contradicted this with equal fervor...

2. I don't post in the video section because I don't really care much about current video card issues...in fact, I use (professionally) almost all Nvidia at the moment (Quadro FX).
I also don't post on the Yahoo message boards where I'm sure I'd get a "response" as well...

3. If you think that "AMD has never been in as desperate a position before", then you really haven't studied the company.
a. As I stated, their cash position is now secure for years.
b. In 1999, AMD gambled all of their assets on Fab 30 (in other words, if Fab 30 had not been the huge success it was, AMD would have been bankrupt very fast). This was a FAR greater risk than purchasing ATI...

4. If you are going to call Ruiz a liar, you might think about citing your reasons...otherwise it's just slandering the man for no cause.

BTW, remember that the term FUD does NOT mean lying or BS...in fact it's the opposite. The term FUD came out of IBM marketing, and it's using partial truths and facts in the same way that politicians use a smear campaign. The facts are absolutely correct, but they are selected to promote a negative portrayal of the competition.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Zstream
I came to this forum to read good links and all I see is you posting the usual ******.

First off AMD is going no where; they are not being bought by anyone. They are not selling so get that out of your head.

Second, Apoppin knows what everyone else does. We all look at the same websites and reviews. We look at the SAME press releases etc... I look at things rationally rather then like an excited 12 year old who says the same thing every few seconds.

Third, AMD has a TON of products along the way! More so then Intel.

Fourth, AMD has a large jump on Intel when it comes to fusion. I do not care who you are, fusion is the future. They have a good 8-12 month head start, it depends on how many resources Intel plans to place in the development. AMD has to stick with what they are doing.

Fifth, OEM's love AMD. I guess everyone forgot the post when AMD stated most of its GPU's are going to Dell and the other OEM's before it hits the regular consumer market.

Sixth, AMD is focusing on the server market. The server market provides a much larger cash revenue then the enthusiast market.

It is so funny when people go crazy. I actually find it funny. I remember Apoppin predicting the future with Intel integrated graphics. I could write a book on this but my passion is being hardware enthusiast unlike apoppin and many others.

On my desk lay a GTX, GTS, 2900, 1900, 1800XL, 7900gs, 7600gt.

My cpu's range the same on both sides.

I call it as I see it unlike some folks who talk crap but have 0 credibility. You either own the hardware and test or you look at Fudzilla and try to make predictions. I prefer to own the equipment and then talk. Maybe you should do the same?

Hi 'z' ... i see you got tossed out of video ... so are here

AMD is "going no where" ... i HAVE to agree with you there ... that $700,000,000.00 LOSS in 3 months was just "weird", huh?


you look at thing "rationally" ? i don't
-good one

90% of the posters in Video DO disagree with your angry pro-AMD rants
-you are one of those folks "who talk crap but have 0 credibility"
ZERO

Did you even know that 500,000,000.00 was lost due to acquisition of ATI? You do know that AMD only posted 321m loss excluding ATI right? Right?

You stated and continue to state sh1t. You have 0 incite which we do not already know. AMD is going no where, your rants are pathetic and really laughable.

AMD doing better then you thought

No company can gather 2 billion in notes if it was going bye bye

Intel is now lowering the price on the quad core cpu's. Two theories.

Intel is going for the kill or Intel knows that Barcelona is just that good. Similar to what AMD had to do. I choose the optimistic POV because it is a fact that AMD is going no where.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Viditor
An A0 stepping, probably not...but there have been a number of Ax steppings released at launch in the past. Palamino for example actually launched with an A0 stepping, followed by A2 and A5.

ok, point being? this is new product, new uarch, relatively new process. it won't happen.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: Viditor
An A0 stepping, probably not...but there have been a number of Ax steppings released at launch in the past. Palamino for example actually launched with an A0 stepping, followed by A2 and A5.

ok, point being? this is new product, new uarch, relatively new process. it won't happen.

Care to back that statement up with anything?

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: Viditor
An A0 stepping, probably not...but there have been a number of Ax steppings released at launch in the past. Palamino for example actually launched with an A0 stepping, followed by A2 and A5.

ok, point being? this is new product, new uarch, relatively new process. it won't happen.

Care to back that statement up with anything?

yeah, experience.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: Zstream
Third, AMD has a TON of products along the way! More so then Intel.

Not really true.

Fourth, AMD has a large jump on Intel when it comes to fusion. I do not care who you are, fusion is the future. They have a good 8-12 month head start, it depends on how many resources Intel plans to place in the development. AMD has to stick with what they are doing.

How do you know? Do you know exactly how far along Fusion is vis-a-vis Larrabee?

I call it as I see it unlike some folks who talk crap but have 0 credibility. You either own the hardware and test or you look at Fudzilla and try to make predictions. I prefer to own the equipment and then talk. Maybe you should do the same?

Oh? You have Fusion on your desk? How about Larrabee? Barcelona? Penryn?

AMD has many many more products coming out vs what Intel is bringing to the table. I could write a book on the products ranging from HDTV cards, AIW, HDMI through GPU, LCD's that use 2W of power (AMD funded the development along with many others), true quadcore cpu's, matx boards etc....

It was on a release report by Intel stating several months after AMD did that they are going to jump on the fusion bandwagon.

Will I have Barcelona, Penryn on my desk? As soon as I can get my hands on them you bet!

You can call me what you want but I own plenty of hardware from both sides and can make a statement on each one.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Zstream
I came to this forum to read good links and all I see is you posting the usual ******.

First off AMD is going no where; they are not being bought by anyone. They are not selling so get that out of your head.

Second, Apoppin knows what everyone else does. We all look at the same websites and reviews. We look at the SAME press releases etc... I look at things rationally rather then like an excited 12 year old who says the same thing every few seconds.

Third, AMD has a TON of products along the way! More so then Intel.

Fourth, AMD has a large jump on Intel when it comes to fusion. I do not care who you are, fusion is the future. They have a good 8-12 month head start, it depends on how many resources Intel plans to place in the development. AMD has to stick with what they are doing.

Fifth, OEM's love AMD. I guess everyone forgot the post when AMD stated most of its GPU's are going to Dell and the other OEM's before it hits the regular consumer market.

Sixth, AMD is focusing on the server market. The server market provides a much larger cash revenue then the enthusiast market.

It is so funny when people go crazy. I actually find it funny. I remember Apoppin predicting the future with Intel integrated graphics. I could write a book on this but my passion is being hardware enthusiast unlike apoppin and many others.

On my desk lay a GTX, GTS, 2900, 1900, 1800XL, 7900gs, 7600gt.

My cpu's range the same on both sides.

I call it as I see it unlike some folks who talk crap but have 0 credibility. You either own the hardware and test or you look at Fudzilla and try to make predictions. I prefer to own the equipment and then talk. Maybe you should do the same?

Hi 'z' ... i see you got tossed out of video ... so are here

AMD is "going no where" ... i HAVE to agree with you there ... that $700,000,000.00 LOSS in 3 months was just "weird", huh?


you look at thing "rationally" ? i don't
-good one

90% of the posters in Video DO disagree with your angry pro-AMD rants
-you are one of those folks "who talk crap but have 0 credibility"
ZERO

Did you even know that 500,000,000.00 was lost due to acquisition of ATI? You do know that AMD only posted 321m loss excluding ATI right? Right?

You stated and continue to state sh1t. You have 0 incite which we do not already know. AMD is going no where, your rants are pathetic and really laughable.

AMD doing better then you thought

No company can gather 2 billion in notes if it was going bye bye

Intel is now lowering the price on the quad core cpu's. Two theories.

Intel is going for the kill or Intel knows that Barcelona is just that good. Similar to what AMD had to do. I choose the optimistic POV because it is a fact that AMD is going no where.

first of all, Z ... before i even begin to answer this ... and DO have an answer for each point and each link you posted ...

do you BELIEVE that i am somehow "against" AMD?
that i "wish them to fail" ?


i seriously believe you *misunderstand* me ... i *love* HD2900xt and *i* am *excited* for Barcelona's launch - whether it takes the 'top spot' is immaterial to me personally
-but i fear for the 'negative buzz'.

so ... perhaps we are actually on the "same side"
:Q

i mean it most seriously

why the heck would i suggest ways for them to "strike back"?
-- if i didn't believe they were failing ... or notice that their CEO was continuing to spin the truth ... or know for a certainty that Barcelona Stepping B-0 is a failure

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Griswold
Viditor, stop trying to beat common sense into fanboys and armchair CEOs - its futile.

he IS a fanboy ... just one with the "official AMD" PoV
--i also notice Viditor is *afraid* to give his PoV in Video ... where he WILL get a response
:Q

AMD\ATI Interview

i wish AMD luck ... or sense

AMD has never been in as desperate a position before ... dragging the carcass of another badly integrated company along as they try to "figure" what is wrong

if their CEO wasn't still lying to us and taking us for fools - i'd say there was hope

Sigh...let me address this in order:

1. I am not a fanboy, I'm an investor with a rather large current holding of AMD shares. I have an admitted AMD bias, but I have also had many posts that favour Intel...for example, just a year ago there were a whole slew of equally uninformed posters predicting that Intel was doomed and that AMD would have the entire market within 10 years. Obviously I contradicted this with equal fervor...

2. I don't post in the video section because I don't really care much about current video card issues...in fact, I use (professionally) almost all Nvidia at the moment (Quadro FX).
I also don't post on the Yahoo message boards where I'm sure I'd get a "response" as well...

3. If you think that "AMD has never been in as desperate a position before", then you really haven't studied the company.
a. As I stated, their cash position is now secure for years.
b. In 1999, AMD gambled all of their assets on Fab 30 (in other words, if Fab 30 had not been the huge success it was, AMD would have been bankrupt very fast). This was a FAR greater risk than purchasing ATI...

4. If you are going to call Ruiz a liar, you might think about citing your reasons...otherwise it's just slandering the man for no cause.

BTW, remember that the term FUD does NOT mean lying or BS...in fact it's the opposite. The term FUD came out of IBM marketing, and it's using partial truths and facts in the same way that politicians use a smear campaign. The facts are absolutely correct, but they are selected to promote a negative portrayal of the competition.

well, thank-you

and i am going to say the same thing to you that i said to Zstream ... i *want* AMD to succeed.
--that IS the position i am coming from ... i feel we "need" them or someone like them and it is better to have 'them' rather than 'someone else' i don't know

1. Good to know ... and you as an investor must be at least a little "worried", no?
Clearly you ARE an AMD fan ... but that is beside the point.

2. Video has had very stimulating discussions on AMD's future and they could use your PoV to 'balance' it ... that is all i meant

3. i *know* AMD's recent past 20 years very well and their 'gambles' ...
i am saying they had a much better CEO and top management then ... and they were not badly integraded with another company as they are with ATi now.

they had vocal fans ... there was *positive buzz* .... back then ... not now ... the buzz is negative

4. i do and i am ... i stand by what i posted and i gave my reasons: a "lie" is a 'lie', never-mind the 'color' ...

and *my entire* point is instead of shutting your eyes to the gravity of the situation and saying "nothing is wrong" ... try to find a workable solution to HELP them

i am quite sure there were those arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as it started to tilt

 

[blackllotus]

While the lack of "leaked" benchmarks may be disturbing, it is far from concrete proof that AMD's new architecture is crappy. It's highly unreasonable to put any sort of faith behind any of the doom-and-gloom predictions that many seem to advocate on this forum.

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: Zstream
AMD has many many more products coming out vs what Intel is bringing to the table. I could write a book on the products ranging from HDTV cards, AIW, HDMI through GPU, LCD's that use 2W of power (AMD funded the development along with many others), true quadcore cpu's, matx boards etc....

Oh, I see.. you're talking about *all* products made by, or contributed to by, AMD. Well, then let's talk about *all* of the products made by Intel.. and you'll see that there's plenty of stuff coming out from Intel as well: chipsets, motherboards (of all sizes), various embedded products, storage and I/O processors and components, etc.

Intel's quad-core processors are no more or less "true quad core" chips than AMD's upcoming quad-core processors. There's 4 cores in one chip package for one socket. Referencing the differences in Intel's current approach to quad-core and AMD's upcoming quad-core processors is done by using the specific terminology for those approaches.. not some silly "true quad core" bullsh!t.

You can call me what you want but I own plenty of hardware from both sides and can make a statement on each one.

Anyone can make a statement on anything. Ownership of hardware doesn't necessitate a bump in status from "user" to "expert".

 

[lyssword]

I'm confident that AMD is not going down anytime soon. At least not within next 5 years.

 

[apoppin]

based on what?

... a "feeling"?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: apoppin
based on what?

... a "feeling"?

Probably based on this:

Originally posted by: Viditor


2. For those of you haven't kept up on things, AMD no longer has any cash problems. No matter whether you think it was smart or not, last month's bond offering has assured that AMD has plenty of money for at least the next 2 years...btw, considering that AMD's share price is up well over 10% since news of the bond was out there, I think most investors consider it a good thing.

 

[apoppin]

the *only* reason that AMD's shares went up is because Fidelity acquired 13% of them last week

no other reason ... Viditor is having a fantasy

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: apoppin
the *only* reason that AMD's shares went up is because Fidelity acquired 13% of them last week

no other reason ... Viditor is having a fantasy

Umm no, did you read the links I posted?