AMD Processors and Intel Processors - Facts and Fiction

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AMD Processors and Intel Processors - Facts and Fiction



1. Duron is 20-40% faster than Celeron at the same clock speed. - FACT
Yes, that is true. There's two reasons for that. One, the AMD Duron is using a bus interface that has three times higher bandwidth than a Intel Celeron's bus interface. Two, the core of the Duron is simply more advanced, which makes it faster even at the same bus speed. Basically, Celeron is no competition to Duron.

2. AMD Processors are incompatible. - Fiction
"In our labs we are testing all kinds of Athlon and Duron platforms with all kinds of different components and I can definitely say that I cannot see any difference between the compatibility of AMD products and platforms compared to the same from Intel." (TomsHardware.com)

3. Chipsets for AMD processors are inferior to Intel chipsets - Fiction
Today you can find the same features in AMD processor chipsets as in Intels latest offerings.

4. AMD Processors are significantly less expensive than Intel processors although they are at least on par in terms of performance. - FACT
Yes, it's a fact. Have you just bought a Pentium III 933MHz for almost the same money you'd have to pay for a brand new Athlon 1200MHz that's way faster? We hope you haven't made this mistake already.

5. Software applications due not work correctly on AMD based systems. - Fiction
Thousands of applications have been tested and work the same as or better then they would on a Intel platform.

6. AMD platform is not dependable. - Fiction
In the last two years Intel has had some major problems. First they had to recall just under a million motherboards because of an error in their 820 chipset, which could have caused data loss. Second, Intel uses unconventionally means to produce the fastest Pentium III's. These methods are usually used in something call "overclocking". A term that means pushing the processor past it's specifications to increase speed. As a result they had to recall the Pentium III 1.13GHz with was a bit too overclocked.

7. Pentium III performs better than Athlon at the same clock speed in some 3D Games. - FACT
Yes, this is correct. The difference isn't huge and easily equalized by the price of the two processors. However, you can get an Athlon at a much higher MHz for the same price as a Pentium III so the advantage is still on AMD's side. Also, the Athlon 1200MHz is still scoring the overall best result in any 3D game.

8. Athlon outperforms the Pentium III in scientific and floating-point intensive applications - FACT
All software that requires complex math operations will run 40-50% faster on an AMD Althon compared to a Pentium III.

9. The AMD Athlon requires more power and cooling than a Pentium III. - FACT
This is true and that is why at UtopiaPC we only use AMD certified power supplies and heat sinks supplied by AMD. Extra fans are included in our higher end systems to keep the case well-ventilated.

10. The Intel Pentium 4 is faster than AMD's Athlon processors.
In most cases the AMD Athlon is the fastest processor. There are some situations where the Intel Pentium 4 is slightly faster. Overall AMD systems are the best choice, Pentium 4 systems can cost 2-3 time more money than an equal configured Athlon system.
 

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<< First they had to recall just under a million motherboards because of an error in their 820 chipset, which could have caused data loss >>



The error lies not with the i820, but with the Memory Translator Hub. Given Intel's relationship with RAMBUS at the time, coupled with the fact that the i820 was never really meant to work with SDRAM anyway, perhaps the end result was not really unexpected. Of course, it's disappointing that it didn't work, but then....how much can you expect?



<< Second, Intel uses unconventionally means to produce the fastest Pentium III's. These methods are usually used in something call &quot;overclocking&quot;. A term that means pushing the processor past it's specifications to increase speed. As a result they had to recall the Pentium III 1.13GHz with was a bit too overclocked. >>



Are you saying that AMD does not?

Overclocking means to run the processor at a speed higher than what it has been safely rated as its maximum guaranteed speed by the manufacturer.

Specifications are to do with the process design itself. I agree that the 1.13GHz P3 was a problem....arguably the yields on the initial cC0 run were not too good...but they will improve over time. At such time, Intel will release the processor....they simply tried to release the 1.13GHz processor too early, rather than waiting for a little bit.
 

RedRooster

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Well, that's just super.
Are your sales at UtopiaPC a little low as of late in the AMD department?? :)

I'm stubborn, but I've yet to have a problem with my Intel CPUs. So I have no intention of switching.
I hear those AMD chips are alright though, just not something I'm willing to experiment with. :)
 

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Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Please tell me why AMD guys are always trying to put down Intel. Do they have an inferiority complex? AMD chips are fine, they are great, they work. So relax AMD guys your fine. I am a bit turned off by the AMD zealots though, they remind me too much of the Apple zealots and the Gateway zealots of a few years back. Why constantly try to prove your better? I don't get it.

Both companies make good stuff, buy and build what you like. If it works and it's stable it's all good. Cut out the childish &quot;My Processor Company rules&quot; stuff. Who cares. Back to sleep. Zzzzzzzzzzz
 

DarkMajiq

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I'm an AMD fan, I have a T-Bird 900, but while that's an interesting little article there, I really don't think we need to be arguing about this anymore. AMD processors are good, so, for the most part, are Intel's. Let's please not have another flame war.
 

PassatVR6

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some of your facts contained mixed opinions and your bias towards AMD processors. Valvoline is right, they are both great chips and get the job done. To each his own

-Matt
 

RyanM

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I've always had a thing for the underdog, and personally, I have a vendetta against Intel. I used to work at Best Buy, and the bull$hit lines they told us to try and make AMD chips look inferior was the epitomy of evil marketing.

That said, I've got Intel chips in the 2 computers I have at home, because truly, until the Athlon, an AMD chip wasn't viable for photoshop work. Until I can afford a new mainboard and chip, I'm sticking with what I got, and I'm not dissaponited. The PIII is a great chip, I just disagree with Intel as a company.
 

MCS

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I think both are equal.

I had a P3 which I thought was great, I now have a TBird which I also think is great.
 

cs1205

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i noticed everyday
there are forums about intel vs AMD
;)
you are so right about them Valvoline6

AMD zealots need to just chill and go on with their AMD happy little lives

and thanks RTSgod for the NEW breaking stories about FACTS and Fictions BETWEEN intel AND AMD
=)
omg!


 

Geocross

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give credit where credit is due. Those &quot;FACTS&quot; came directly from an article that Tom Pabst wrote about 1-2 months ago. Search his database if you don't believe me
 

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I was at a computer expo recently.. and I went to go check out an apple laptop.. the new one.. that nice lookin titanium one.. with the widescreen.. it was really nice looking.. The salesman started talking to me about it... I just said &quot;uh uh.. Mac's are just waaaay too expensive, and I can get a PC with twice the clock speed.... &quot; he cut me off right away and went on a rant about how Mhz for Mhz.. they don't compare and all that stuff.. he was so aggresive it really scared me.. Hey! They're all computers right? Just caues I liked PC's more than macs this guy got angry!!! Like whoa! Hey there.. everyone is allowed to like whatever they want.. I like AMD pc's.. but i kind of want a PIII, just cause they're different.. and really.. all processors.. even the lowly 386's are magical... like come on.. a 386 @ 26mhz... 26 million ocsilations per SECOND!!!!!!.. you try turning a light switch off and on that many times in a second.. if everyone tried this than we could all appreciate all kinds of processors..


*cough* go AMD *cough*
 

dakost

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Intel is GREAT !!! AMD is GREAT !!!
And the best thing for the end user is that they both exist and are at each others throat ! So the prices are kept down.
Pitty that Matrox or ATI haven't managed the same with Ndivia, then graphics cards prices would be down as well !!!
 

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For 3. I disagree. I find that via chipset is still inferior for agp, just ok for ide.

My old FIC MVP3 system, if install the update via ide driver, problem comes out, need to stay with win9x's default via driver. Need to enable usb controller even not using any usb device, otherwise pci sound card doesn't work.

My new duron system, when I first bought the Tyan mb, it has memory problem, no matter set my Crucial pc133 to 100 or 133, system always hangs. Returned and got Epox 8kta2, first cannot run memory at 133, system always hangs, must run at 100. after bios update, ok. however after I added Elsa geforce2 mx, system always hangs. Some people can get rid of this by &quot;down&quot;date the bios, but I can't go back, I want to run the memory at 133, Sandra gives significant result to make me happy. Now using update via ide driver is fine for this 686B.

Never have such adventures for Intel chipset system.


For 6. I'd say unless you make your amd system as stable as an intel system, don't do critical job on it.
 

Wiz

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Mercedes RULEZ!!!
Lexus SUCKS!!!!!

Come on, lets all grow up and let each buy and run what they are happy with. ;)