AMD prepares dualcore 45nm surprise - Callisto

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
I almost thought this thread was useful too, until I saw it was by "AMD Fanboi". How is this news? This has been in the works for a long time (see Flipped Gazelle's link).

Can we stop with these threads that have no purpose?

So what does it matter who posted the thread? This is pretty substantial news as Scholzpdx pointed out.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
I almost thought this thread was useful too, until I saw it was by "AMD Fanboi". How is this news? This has been in the works for a long time (see Flipped Gazelle's link).

Can we stop with these threads that have no purpose?

So what does it matter who posted the thread? This is pretty substantial news as Scholzpdx pointed out.

It doesn't. But he could have done so w/o the over-the-top fanboi-ness.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
If this is sub $80, we're going to see a huge ripple effect in consumer confidence that intel can not make competitive processors at competitive prices. If the prices go as follow, Intel might have to abandon ship on their enthusiast products.

Why? When AMD had to do something similar with their old X2 lineup, it didn't really stop Intel from selling to and dominating the enthusiast market. And trying to start a price war in this market segment with a massive die like Deneb's is a recipe for further financial disaster.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: RallyMaster

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: fusion238
As for using Deneb core, it would not be surprising to find that users can Paypal $25 or so to AMD and enable another core online! I think Intel and Microsoft do something similar with server chips and software.

LOL!!!!!


Yeah, right.

AMD fanboy here doesn't know how processors are made, obviously.

So you're saying I can't just download cores through Steam?

 

[RallyMaster]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: RallyMaster

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: fusion238
As for using Deneb core, it would not be surprising to find that users can Paypal $25 or so to AMD and enable another core online! I think Intel and Microsoft do something similar with server chips and software.

LOL!!!!!


Yeah, right.

AMD fanboy here doesn't know how processors are made, obviously.

So you're saying I can't just download cores through Steam?

Hahaha. One day it might happen...one day.

 

[Markfw]

Wow, my warnings made no difference. I am glad the community here knows a troll (viral marketer) when they see one.

I will just let you guys flame this guy. And I will just sit back and watch the flames, so go for it !!!!

 

[magreen]

Originally posted by: fusion238


AMD has another surprise for Intel. It's preparing a CPU codenamed Callisto and this is a new CPU that we haven?t seen on the roadmap before.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....iew&id=12086&Itemid=35

This news about a Phenom II based chip with two cores is very stunning and some people are comparing it to how ATI has quickly overpowered Nvidia in nearly every segment of the graphics card marketplace.

If Callisto is derived from the thoroughbred line of the Phenom II CPUs, then AMD may overpower Intel in the range of $75-$300 high performance CPUs that run on either nearly free DDR2 memory or optional DDR3.




* Just an enthusiast (not fanboy) that owns Intel, AMD, ATI, Nvidia systems and parts. Ordering new Phenom X3 720BE with Biostar 790 mb.

LOL. Hooray, more ridiculous fanboy extreme statements from fusion238 to make fun of! This news is very stunning!

I think it's the purity of the amd silicon, when condensed into a dual core package, that will cause all existing dual core intel chips to melt and stop working in their sockets!

Each time Intel forces their users to use a new socket and CPUs like that used for i7/i5/i3/iX
they frustrate a large number who may decide to "jump ship" or "jump chip" to a competitor.

As for using Deneb core, it would not be surprising to find that users can Paypal $25 or so to AMD and enable another core online! I think Intel and Microsoft do something similar with server chips and software.

Do they feed you those cute marketing statements to help you earn your keep, like "jump chip," or do you make those up yourself? How about "jump chimp?"

To tell the truth, however, I think AMD has more class than to hire someone so incompetent at viral marketing as you. If they wanted to do viral marketing, they would pick somebody capable of being more than a laughing stock.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
If this is sub $80, we're going to see a huge ripple effect in consumer confidence that intel can not make competitive processors at competitive prices. If the prices go as follow, Intel might have to abandon ship on their enthusiast products.

Why? When AMD had to do something similar with their old X2 lineup, it didn't really stop Intel from selling to and dominating the enthusiast market. And trying to start a price war in this market segment with a massive die like Deneb's is a recipe for further financial disaster.

I see your point, but we're not comparing K8 to Core2, we're comparing Phenom 2 to Core 2. With these AMD Dual P2's having 6mb of L3 cache, it might perform even better then their Core 2 Duo counterparts. They are essentially the same clock for clock now. With that added L3 just for two cores and not four, the performance will be even better.

Also, summed it up in the price.

E8400 3.0ghz - $164.99

Phenom 2 Dual 3.0ghz - sub $80.

Its a no brainer. AMD wins by a landslide. Anyone with a brain and uses their own money will choose amd. AMD's 45nm CPU's overclock fairly well too. I also don't think this is bad for AMD. If they can get their defective Phenom 2's to operate perfectly as a dual core, why not? It leads to better processors at lower price points and increases AMD's profit margin. Intel did the same thing by binning my CPU as a Q8200, except there was no defective cores.

 

[magreen]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: RallyMaster

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: fusion238
As for using Deneb core, it would not be surprising to find that users can Paypal $25 or so to AMD and enable another core online! I think Intel and Microsoft do something similar with server chips and software.

LOL!!!!!


Yeah, right.

AMD fanboy here doesn't know how processors are made, obviously.

So you're saying I can't just download cores through Steam?

Nope, only through BitTorrent or Vuze. But you might get sued by the RIAA!

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
If this is sub $80, we're going to see a huge ripple effect in consumer confidence that intel can not make competitive processors at competitive prices. If the prices go as follow, Intel might have to abandon ship on their enthusiast products.

Why? When AMD had to do something similar with their old X2 lineup, it didn't really stop Intel from selling to and dominating the enthusiast market. And trying to start a price war in this market segment with a massive die like Deneb's is a recipe for further financial disaster.

I see your point, but we're not comparing K8 to Core2, we're comparing Phenom 2 to Core 2. With these AMD Dual P2's having 6mb of L3 cache, it might perform even better then their Core 2 Duo counterparts. They are essentially the same clock for clock now. With that added L3 just for two cores and not four, the performance will be even better.

Also, summed it up in the price.

E8400 3.0ghz - $164.99

Phenom 2 Dual 3.0ghz - sub $80.

Its a no brainer. AMD wins by a landslide. Anyone with a brain and uses their own money will choose amd. AMD's 45nm CPU's overclock fairly well too. I also don't think this is bad for AMD. If they can get their defective Phenom 2's to operate perfectly as a dual core, why not? It leads to better processors at lower price points and increases AMD's profit margin. Intel did the same thing by binning my CPU as a Q8200, except there was no defective cores.

If the PhII X2 winds up matching the e8x00, that would be wonderful. However:

PhII costs more to mfr
Intel could easily drop prices
Intel has gained so much PR equity with the public thanks to Core 2, AMD has to work mightilt to overcome that.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Also, summed it up in the price.

E8400 3.0ghz - $164.99

Phenom 2 Dual 3.0ghz - sub $80.

Then Intel modifies its lineup to adjust, which it has the flexibility to do so since it has faster products that are also cheaper to manufacture.

Its a no brainer. AMD wins by a LANDSLIDE. AMD's 45nm CPU's overclock fairly well too. I also don't think this is bad for AMD. If they can get their defective Phenom 2's to operate perfectly as a dual core, why not? It leads to better processors at lower price points and increases AMD's profit margin. Intel did the same thing by binning my CPU as a Q8200, except there was no defective cores.

It's basically AMD making lemonade out of lemons; it's better than throwing the die away but it's much worse than having a competitive performing and cost effective a dual-core die in the first place. And it won't have any impact on Intel since AMD can't afford to make many of them.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: magreen

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: RallyMaster

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: fusion238
As for using Deneb core, it would not be surprising to find that users can Paypal $25 or so to AMD and enable another core online! I think Intel and Microsoft do something similar with server chips and software.

LOL!!!!!


Yeah, right.

AMD fanboy here doesn't know how processors are made, obviously.

So you're saying I can't just download cores through Steam?

Nope, only through BitTorrent or Vuze. But you might get sued by the RIAA!

CPU core pirating FTW!!!

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Also, summed it up in the price.

E8400 3.0ghz - $164.99

Phenom 2 Dual 3.0ghz - sub $80.

Then Intel modifies its lineup to adjust, which it has the flexibility to do so since it has faster products that are also cheaper to manufacture.

Its a no brainer. AMD wins by a LANDSLIDE. AMD's 45nm CPU's overclock fairly well too. I also don't think this is bad for AMD. If they can get their defective Phenom 2's to operate perfectly as a dual core, why not? It leads to better processors at lower price points and increases AMD's profit margin. Intel did the same thing by binning my CPU as a Q8200, except there was no defective cores.

It's basically AMD making lemonade out of lemons; it's better than throwing the die away but it's much worse than having a competitive performing and cost effective a dual-core die in the first place. And it won't have any impact on Intel since AMD can't afford to make many of them.

I understand. I doubt Intel would cut prices 50-65% just to remain competitive though. Just a thought.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
I understand. I doubt Intel would cut prices 50-65% just to remain competitive though. Just a thought.

I think they would. Intel has a couple of price points that they defend fiercely against AMD products. The $80-$90 range dual-core is one of them, the $250-$300 quad-core price range is another.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Also, summed it up in the price.

E8400 3.0ghz - $164.99

Phenom 2 Dual 3.0ghz - sub $80.

Then Intel modifies its lineup to adjust, which it has the flexibility to do so since it has faster products that are also cheaper to manufacture.

Its a no brainer. AMD wins by a LANDSLIDE. AMD's 45nm CPU's overclock fairly well too. I also don't think this is bad for AMD. If they can get their defective Phenom 2's to operate perfectly as a dual core, why not? It leads to better processors at lower price points and increases AMD's profit margin. Intel did the same thing by binning my CPU as a Q8200, except there was no defective cores.

It's basically AMD making lemonade out of lemons; it's better than throwing the die away but it's much worse than having a competitive performing and cost effective a dual-core die in the first place. And it won't have any impact on Intel since AMD can't afford to make many of them.

I understand. I doubt Intel would cut prices 50-65% just to remain competitive though. Just a thought.

Nah, Intel can cut prices 30% and still sell 'em because they are Intel.

 

[magreen]

Exactly -- look at the p4 and pd prices in k8's heyday, they were way too high and they still sold. And that was when intel didn't have the aura of holding the overall performance crown.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
If this is sub $80, we're going to see a huge ripple effect in consumer confidence that intel can not make competitive processors at competitive prices. If the prices go as follow, Intel might have to abandon ship on their enthusiast products.

2.4ghz - $44
2.6ghz - $54
2.7ghz - $59
2.8ghz - $69
3.0ghz - $79
3.1ghz - $89
3.2ghz - $99

Now these speeds are made up, but knowing amd they will likely follow something close. If they can establish themselves in that price segment, Intel has something HUGE to worry about. I think this is something entirely possible.

We've already seen AMD do this with their video cards at extremely low prices. Such as the 4650 going as low as $35. It nearly comparable to my old 8800GTS 320mb that i still use to this day. And we're talking $35. The 4830 deal for only $67.99. That is SICK performance for such a low price. I believe we're seeing some intense competition for the mainstream consumers. AMD might pull this one out by controlling both the CPU and the GPU markets. I'm no fanboy of either, i have equally as much Intel as i do AMD, and ATI as much as my Nvidia chipsets.

Competition is great.

This will have an effect on their motherboard sales. Next time I upgrade I'm going to get a Crossfire capable mobo-- 2x4830s is cheaper than and beats the GTX260 or something like that.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
If this is sub $80, we're going to see a huge ripple effect in consumer confidence that intel can not make competitive processors at competitive prices. If the prices go as follow, Intel might have to abandon ship on their enthusiast products.

Why? When AMD had to do something similar with their old X2 lineup, it didn't really stop Intel from selling to and dominating the enthusiast market. And trying to start a price war in this market segment with a massive die like Deneb's is a recipe for further financial disaster.

I see your point, but we're not comparing K8 to Core2, we're comparing Phenom 2 to Core 2. With these AMD Dual P2's having 6mb of L3 cache, it might perform even better then their Core 2 Duo counterparts. They are essentially the same clock for clock now. With that added L3 just for two cores and not four, the performance will be even better.

Also, summed it up in the price.

E8400 3.0ghz - $164.99

Phenom 2 Dual 3.0ghz - sub $80.

Its a no brainer. AMD wins by a landslide. Anyone with a brain and uses their own money will choose amd. AMD's 45nm CPU's overclock fairly well too. I also don't think this is bad for AMD. If they can get their defective Phenom 2's to operate perfectly as a dual core, why not? It leads to better processors at lower price points and increases AMD's profit margin. Intel did the same thing by binning my CPU as a Q8200, except there was no defective cores.

Yeah it all depends on the price. How do we know they'll be that cheap?

 

[Face2Face]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: Greenhell6
I think the New Phenom II are great CPU's. I looking to ditch my e6850 and go for the Phenom II X3 720 BE-- can/t wait to overclok that bad boy. MY brother just purchased a new New Phenom II System with 780G motherboard, 8 GB of Gskill 1066 and A Phenom II X4 940-- Can't wait to get this build in process. It's gonna be a Beast..

What not just drop in a Core 2 Quad?

Tired of Intel... Going back to AMD

 

[RallyMaster]

What has Intel ever done to you?

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: RallyMaster
What has Intel ever done to you?

Sometimes you just feel like change. It's not always rational, but that's just the way it is.

 

[Face2Face]

Originally posted by: RallyMaster
What has Intel ever done to you?

Nothing really... I have been happy with there products. I am just ready to go back to AMD, I have always had great luck with there products and now they have something that makes me want to jump back in... But much love for Intel for kicking the crap out of AMD they needed it.. and now so does Intel.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Isnt this a bad thing overall for AMD? It does clear the inventory somewhat for the cores that didnt make the cut for the X3/X4 but this leads to other problems. Once the demands for these products based on a crippled core picks up, AMD has no choice but to start purposely cripple the good cores as time goes by. Yields improve over time as well so the chances of maintaining the level of "bad" cores (at the time of the PII X2 launch) is going to diminish.

Unless they launch these first then replace these with the native 45nm X2s under the same branding.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
If this is sub $80, we're going to see a huge ripple effect in consumer confidence that intel can not make competitive processors at competitive prices. If the prices go as follow, Intel might have to abandon ship on their enthusiast products.

Why? When AMD had to do something similar with their old X2 lineup, it didn't really stop Intel from selling to and dominating the enthusiast market. And trying to start a price war in this market segment with a massive die like Deneb's is a recipe for further financial disaster.

I see your point, but we're not comparing K8 to Core2, we're comparing Phenom 2 to Core 2. With these AMD Dual P2's having 6mb of L3 cache, it might perform even better then their Core 2 Duo counterparts. They are essentially the same clock for clock now. With that added L3 just for two cores and not four, the performance will be even better.

Also, summed it up in the price.

E8400 3.0ghz - $164.99

Phenom 2 Dual 3.0ghz - sub $80.

Its a no brainer. AMD wins by a landslide. Anyone with a brain and uses their own money will choose amd. AMD's 45nm CPU's overclock fairly well too. I also don't think this is bad for AMD. If they can get their defective Phenom 2's to operate perfectly as a dual core, why not? It leads to better processors at lower price points and increases AMD's profit margin. Intel did the same thing by binning my CPU as a Q8200, except there was no defective cores.

Yeah it all depends on the price. How do we know they'll be that cheap?

Well, if you compare it to the prices of the triple and quad core counterparts, it doesn't seem too far off. Its speculation, but even Kuma debuted at $77 at 2.7ghz.

 

[magreen]

Isn't the E8x00 line of dual core Core 2 cpus faster than the phenom II clock-for-clock at single threaded apps anyway? So why would this cause any worry for intel? If they need to adjust their prices on low end dual core a bit, they'll do so, as they have continually done over the past 3 years since core 2's debut.

Gosh, I feel dirty even posting a serious statement in this mortifyingly stupid thread. I have a word, and it starts with B and ends with N and rhymes with VAN!