Question AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU Speculation and Discussion

[uzzi38]

I can finally make this thread.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519669375283957760

Phoenix is indeed RDNA3. My advice to everyone: treat the old APU rumours as being out of date.

 

[Abwx]

Why do people want low end APU on a more expensive platform. AMD themselves said that AM4 serves low-end very well. Phx2 costs more to make than Cezanne, and it'll most likely have lower average price. AMD will sooner discount 5600G to 100 dollars than release this mythical "8100G". Also note that AMD completely abandoned Ryzen 3 in DIY since R3 4100. I doubt it's coming back like that. The age of quad-cores in DIY is almost over.

An entry level is necsssary for large plateform adoption, at some point DDR5 will be as cheap as DDR4, currently cheaper MBs are about 95-100€ by here, a 110-120€ APU would fit well with thoses 620 boards, and that s a guarantee for future upgrades over the 8100G, wich by the way is not mythical, i think that he mislabeled the 8300G.

 

[jpiniero]

and that s a guarantee for future upgrades over the 8100G, wich by the way is not mythical, i think that he mislabeled the 8300G.

The Little Phoenix models are called 8500G and 8300G. I suppose a 0+4 model is possible but that seems kind of unlikely.

 

[DrMrLordX]

An entry level is necsssary for large plateform adoption, at some point DDR5 will be as cheap as DDR4, currently cheaper MBs are about 95-100€ by here, a 110-120€ APU would fit well with thoses 620 boards, and that s a guarantee for future upgrades over the 8100G, wich by the way is not mythical, i think that he mislabeled the 8300G.

Yeah, AM5 isn't going to be expensive forever. AM4 will eventually not offer a cost advantage.

 

[misuspita]

Already DDR5 prices are at reasonable levels

 

[Mopetar]

Why do people want low end APU on a more expensive platform. AMD themselves said that AM4 serves low-end very well. Phx2 costs more to make than Cezanne, and it'll most likely have lower average price.

Because they'll have an upgrade path in 5 years where they can drop in a newer APU or even pair a discreet card with a top-end CPU without having to spring for a new board and RAM at the same time.

I'd be comfortable buying low-end AM5 over comparable performance for less money on AM4 or LG1700 because those aren't getting new CPUs or nothing appreciably different and there's a good chance that AM5 will see Zen 6 CPUs as a future upgrade.

If you wait a long time, it still means that you'll probably be able to pick up an old generation X3D CPU that will be a substantial upgrade if paired with a mid-range GPU.

 

[jpiniero]

AMD announces Ryzen 8045HS, 8040HS and 8040U "Hawk Point" series powered by Zen4, RDNA3 and XDNA - VideoCardz.com

AMD introducing Ryzen 8040 series with increased AI performance Today, as part of the “Advance AI” event, AMD is revealing the first SKUs as part of the Ryzen 8040 series. AMD’s upcoming Ryzen 8040 lineup will feature a total of 9 different SKUs, comprising five 8040HS models and four 8040U...

videocardz.com

Appears that Hawk Point is going to be announced today. Seems the only difference is that they overclocked the NPU by 40% cuz AI AI AI

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

AMD announces Ryzen 8045HS, 8040HS and 8040U "Hawk Point" series powered by Zen4, RDNA3 and XDNA - VideoCardz.com

AMD introducing Ryzen 8040 series with increased AI performance Today, as part of the “Advance AI” event, AMD is revealing the first SKUs as part of the Ryzen 8040 series. AMD’s upcoming Ryzen 8040 lineup will feature a total of 9 different SKUs, comprising five 8040HS models and four 8040U...

videocardz.com

Appears that Hawk Point is going to be announced today. Seems the only difference is that they overclocked the NPU by 40% cuz AI AI AI

Yet 8540-50U doesn't even have this NPU.
Honestly, from my point totally worthless refresh.
At least we know that Strix Point will be 9*** series.

But If It comes with Win12, then I don't want to buy It.
I am really not interested in this AI stuff, I would rather deactivate It If possible.

 

[DrMrLordX]

But If It comes with Win12, then I don't want to buy It.
I am really not interested in this AI stuff, I would rather deactivate It If possible.

Are you referring to MS Copilot? I asked Copilot if it used inference hardware, and it said rather politely "no I'm cloud-based". NPUs won't make any difference there.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Are you referring to MS Copilot? I asked Copilot if it used inference hardware, and it said rather politely "no I'm cloud-based". NPUs won't make any difference there.

Not sure what exactly will be AI based in windows 12.
I just heard or read, there will be something like that.

 

[jpiniero]

Yet 8540-50U doesn't even have this NPU.

That's Little Phoenix rebrands. Which doesn't have it.

Honestly, from my point totally worthless refresh.
At least we know that Strix Point will be 9*** series.

I imagine it will be 8x50 series.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

That's Little Phoenix rebrands. Which doesn't have it.

I know.

I imagine it will be 8x50 series.

That's assuming Dragon Range rebrand is not coming.

Full Strix Point will be 12C24T, cutdown will be 8C16T in my opinion. Maybe there will also be a 10C20T model.
As for IGP from 16CU down to 10-12CU.

 

[coercitiv]

Are you referring to MS Copilot? I asked Copilot if it used inference hardware, and it said rather politely "no I'm cloud-based". NPUs won't make any difference there.

Let's ask Copilot what Win 12 features will run on local inference hardware:

According to some web search results, some of the possible AI features that Windows 12 will have that run on local inference hardware are:

• AI-powered photo editing: Windows 12 will use generative models to intelligently edit photos, such as removing unwanted objects, enhancing colors, applying filters, and more. Users will be able to use natural language commands to edit photos, such as “make the sky blue” or "add a rainbow"1.
• AI-powered file organization: Windows 12 will use AI to help users organize their files more efficiently, such as by automatically categorizing them by type, topic, date, or relevance. Users will also be able to use natural language queries to find files, such as “show me the photos from last summer” or "where is the report I wrote yesterday?"2.
• AI-powered code generation: Windows 12 will use code gen models to help users write code faster and easier, such as by suggesting code snippets, completing code blocks, or debugging errors. Users will be able to use natural language commands to generate code, such as “create a function that adds two numbers” or "fix the syntax error in line 12"2.
• AI text on image recognition: Windows 12 will use AI to scan content on the screen and offer contextual prompts to jumpstart projects or apps. For example, if the user sees an image of a flower, the AI may suggest opening a drawing app or searching for more information about the flower2.

 

[jpiniero]

That's assuming Dragon Range rebrand is not coming.

That would be 8x45.

 

[Joe NYC]

AMD announces Ryzen 8045HS, 8040HS and 8040U "Hawk Point" series powered by Zen4, RDNA3 and XDNA - VideoCardz.com

AMD introducing Ryzen 8040 series with increased AI performance Today, as part of the “Advance AI” event, AMD is revealing the first SKUs as part of the Ryzen 8040 series. AMD’s upcoming Ryzen 8040 lineup will feature a total of 9 different SKUs, comprising five 8040HS models and four 8040U...

videocardz.com

Appears that Hawk Point is going to be announced today. Seems the only difference is that they overclocked the NPU by 40% cuz AI AI AI

Is that the only change? I wonder...

 

[Joe NYC]

Yet 8540-50U doesn't even have this NPU.
Honestly, from my point totally worthless refresh.
At least we know that Strix Point will be 9*** series.

But If It comes with Win12, then I don't want to buy It.
I am really not interested in this AI stuff, I would rather deactivate It If possible.

Funny thing about all this AI on client is that no one was able to explain what exactly it would do. I already feel sorry for Lisa trying - on stage today...

As far as WIndows 12, I think it will become an inevitable upgrade, because Windows 10 will become "legacy" ...

 

[eek2121]

Yet 8540-50U doesn't even have this NPU.
Honestly, from my point totally worthless refresh.
At least we know that Strix Point will be 9*** series.

But If It comes with Win12, then I don't want to buy It.
I am really not interested in this AI stuff, I would rather deactivate It If possible.

I know.

That's assuming Dragon Range rebrand is not coming.

Full Strix Point will be 12C24T, cutdown will be 8C16T in my opinion. Maybe there will also be a 10C20T model.
As for IGP from 16CU down to 10-12CU.

The “4” in 8945 means Zen 4. All Zen 5 parts will use 5 as the third number (8955hx, for example). 9xxx will be next year.

People (including Intel) are hating on AMD for launching mixed generations of products, but I see nothing wrong with it.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

That would be 8x45.

That is already used according to that table.

The “4” in 8945 means Zen 4. All Zen 5 parts will use 5 as the third number (8955hx, for example). 9xxx will be next year.

People (including Intel) are hating on AMD for launching mixed generations of products, but I see nothing wrong with it.

Totally forgot about It. You are right.
And I hate this continuous rebranding.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Funny thing about all this AI on client is that no one was able to explain what exactly it would do. I already feel sorry for Lisa trying - on stage today...

As far as WIndows 12, I think it will become an inevitable upgrade, because Windows 10 will become "legacy" ...

If Steam OS was not exclusive for Steam Deck, then I would migrate to that.

 

[Joe NYC]

If Steam OS was not exclusive for Steam Deck, then I would migrate to that.

Well, I actually have to do some work on my computer(s), so anything other than Windows is not an option...

But, I am definitely going to be the "pioneer" of Windows 12 (arrows in the back and all that)

BTW, Windows 12 may be called Windows 2024 according to this "exclusive":

https://twitter.com/x/status/1732407113266147484

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

But, I am definitely going to be the "pioneer" of Windows 12 (arrows in the back and all that)

I think a better word would be lab rat.

 

[FlameTail]

I think Windows 12 would be a better name.

It's shorter and more elegant than Windows 2024

 

[Joe NYC]

I think Windows 12 would be a better name.

It's shorter and more elegant than Windows 2024

Having the name in the version of the Windows may prompt people to upgrade earlier / more often.

It is kind of embarrassing to have a Windows 2003 server running on one of my servers...

The server will soon be legal drinking age in New York State

 

[jpiniero]

Surprised they aren't calling it Windows AI

 

[MadRat]

Or i-AI or some other nonsense

 

[jpiniero]

Ryzen AI