AMD Phenom II X6 1045T, or Sandy Bridge 2500K?

[ed29a]

Also, that comment was made in a different thread altogether.

First, as others pointed out, inferior is highly subjective, depending on which angle you look at it.

Second, yes, the comment was from another thread, but it's perfectly made for this one because it just illustrates how you are a big hypocrite. In one thread you tell people not to bash AMD, yet in 2-3 other threads you bash them ad nauseam. You constantly cram down on people's throat your opinion, and you belittle them by repeatedly reminding them of picking an 'inferior' (to you) solution.

You should maybe realize that the world is not black and white, it's a big patch of grey.

 

[blckgrffn]

Wow, lots of mis-information in this thread.

*thumbs up* to Virtual Larry for getting his big cruncher started! In DC land, outside of F@H and its bonus system, the X6's are incredibly solid choices. More cores is more cores and yes, BD and PD have AVX, so like Larry if that becomes a big deal (mulitple projects having official support) I'll be upping the ante on AM3+. In the cases where you need one CPU per video card having some useful capacity left after covering three GPUs is a nice feature as well.

For the "talkers" in this thread, you are more than welcome to join the The TeAm and put your gratuitously over powered rigs to use saving lives/mapping the starts/finding ridiculously large prime numbers, etc. I dare you to bring the pain 🙂 Virtual Larry's got game, where is yours?

Ed, what's that 1090t up to? Would it be racing? http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2220025 What do you say? 🙂

*goes off to tinker with AVX on his lowly i3...*

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

But the GTX580 isn't inferior. If you are using CUDA apps, it is infinitely superior.

Your view of the world isn't the only one, you know.

Yeah, nice try... not.

 

[VirtualLarry]

For the "talkers" in this thread, you are more than welcome to join the The TeAm and put your gratuitously over powered rigs to use saving lives/mapping the starts/finding ridiculously large prime numbers, etc. I dare you to bring the pain 🙂

For the record, I believe that Lol_Wut_Axl is folding for the TeAm on his 2600K, which is very commendable.

In F@H, his rig might beat mine, I don't know. But in PrimeGrid, it would be an interesting race. (Since they are starting to support AVX on Intel CPUs, but they also support CUDA for NV GPUs.) It would also be interesting to see which CPU is faster in Correlizer, as early apps for that project favored AMD.

Really, it came down to optimizing along three axis:
Price
Performance
Features

Axl chose max Performance for his rig.

I chose max features, at a reasonable price point, even if I had to give up a little bit on absolute performance.

To make a car analogy, it's like driving a stripped-down super-muscle car, versus a nice daily-driver cadillac with power everything.

I chose the cadillac, even if it could be beat by the race car at the track.

Not everybody wants to race at the track, some people want amenities in their vehicles.

Edit: To make another analogy, it would be like calling dialup internet "inferior" to broadband.

Sure, for most people, that is the case.

But again with the optimization on thos axis.

I just ordered a dialup external USB modem for a client of mine.

Why? Because for them, they had to optimize along the price axis, and to them, dialup is infinitely superior to broadband, simply because they can afford dialup, but not broadband. So for them, it comes down to having an internet connection at all, versus none at all.

 

[grkM3]

In the other thread u were bad mouthing intel chipsets and them only having 16lanes and only 4 sata 6 ports vs 6 ports.

Just admit the whole time you were never going to buy that 2500k

 

[blckgrffn]

In the other thread u were bad mouthing intel chipsets and them only having 16lanes and only 4 sata 6 ports vs 6 ports.

Just admit the whole time you were never going to buy that 2500k

Why?

And yeah, if you want PCIe bandwidth the LGA1155 is not overly equipped. This is not a revelation. X79 is competitive but spendy, you have to draw the line somewhere. If you could get a six core LGA1155 it might be well worth the compromise.

I'd rather VL buy another GTX460.

 

[VirtualLarry]

In the other thread u were bad mouthing intel chipsets and them only having 16lanes and only 4 sata 6 ports vs 6 ports.

Just admit the whole time you were never going to buy that 2500k

Gee, fanboy much? The AMD 990FX has superior PCI-E bandwidth over Sandy Bridge 1155, that's no lie.

 

[grkM3]

Ohh ya and you were complaning about the bent pins and said 3 way sli is somehow better on the amd setup.

Im not a fan boy people can go and read the crap your were talking about intel when at the same time had this thread.

You were never going to buy the intel setup and please show me how amd has more bandwith when the intel boards support pci e 3.0

You just like to waste peoples time when they try to help you.

If you bought a decent intel board you would of had usb 3.0 nit sure why you said intel dosnt have usb 3.0 and would of had at least 4 sata 6 ports with the abilty to upgrade to an ivy bridge down the road.

 

[Arg Clin]

Apparently the CPU choice levels out, I'd decide which motherboard I liked best and go with that.

That's what I did with my current build (14 months ago). Liked the AM3 boards better than the 1156. CPU ended up being secondary.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ohh ya and you were complaning about the bent pins and said 3 way sli is somehow better on the amd setup.

I'm not sure where you got that idea. I am planning on using three GTX460 cards, however, I am not, and have not mentioned, 3-way SLI. (which I don't believe is possible with the GTX460.)

I did mention the bent pins, as something I was afraid of, because if MC sells you a board with bent pins, they won't take it back.

You were never going to buy the intel setup and please show me how amd has more bandwith when the intel boards support pci e 3.0

Show me where I can buy an Intel system with PCI-E 3.0 today. And technically, when Ivy Bridge finally does release, it will have equal PCI-E bandwidth, not more.

You just like to waste peoples time when they try to help you.

Not at all. I was strongly considering the 2500K system, when Lol_wut_axel suggested the Asrock P67 Extreme4 boards. However, the newegg reviews complaining about problems with USB3.0 and BSODs kind of turned me off. What finally pushed me over the top was when Magic Carpet showed me the AMD equivalent of that board, that had an IDE port too. The perfect combination of features, in my eyes.

If you bought a decent intel board you would of had usb 3.0 nit sure why you said intel dosnt have usb 3.0 and would of had at least 4 sata 6 ports with the abilty to upgrade to an ivy bridge down the road.

And? Initial overclocking reports of IB aren't that hot, there may be no real reason to upgrade, unless one wants to save 20W or so.

 

[grkM3]

Most early p67 boards support pci e 3.0 with just a updated bios and most are 3.0 out the door today.you metioned about the 3 way sli saying that intel needed a 3rd party chip to slpit the lanes and said it will lose performance.

My year old board has no problems running 3 gpys with just 16 lanes at 2.0 speeds

 

[Sunny129]

You just like to waste peoples time when they try to help you.

you need to lay off...

so what if Larry never intended on taking the intel route from the get-go? the conversation still makes for great archive/research material for others who might be weighing similar hardware choices. that's the primary purpose of these message boards anyways - to provide an online community/database/resource for all kinds of users and enthusiasts alike. i can understand if some people feel like their time has been wasted in responding, but keep in mind that it'll probably get read and used in the near future by someone else researching similar topics, so responding really isn't a waste of time. while i know that most people respond out of kindness and their willingness to help others, remember that those same people also have just as much opportunity to stop first, determine if it might be a waste of time to respond, and ultimately choose not to respond. nobody forced anyone to respond to this thread, and certainly nobody forced anyone to waste his/her time. its a shame that Axel, like you, feels his time was wasted in responding, b/c he contributed a great deal to this quite informative thread...

My year old board has no problems running 3 gpys with just 16 lanes at 2.0 speeds

are you actually running them all in SLI? your sig says you only have 2 cards in SLI...

 

[Magic Carpet]

What finally pushed me over the top was when Magic Carpet showed me the AMD equivalent of that board, that had an IDE port too. The perfect combination of features, in my eyes.

Hey, they can blame me instead for pushing you into buying an "inferior" AMD setup 🙄

I own both Intel and AMD but I don't have a problem recommending either. Obviously, features, usage and cost slightly outweighed everything else here. This was a productive discussion and I regret somebody felt his time was wasted. Thanks everybody for participation.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Gee, fanboy much? The AMD 990FX has superior PCI-E bandwidth over Sandy Bridge 1155, that's no lie.

Larry SB has more bandwidth . Forget any charts you read it does not apply here , many of the 1155 motherboards has PCI-E 3 with bios upgrade. Sure it requires an IVB processor but your talking M/Bs here.

 

[Nemesis 1]

you need to lay off...

so what if Larry never intended on taking the intel route from the get-go? the conversation still makes for great archive/research material for others who might be weighing similar hardware choices. that's the primary purpose of these message boards anyways - to provide an online community/database/resource for all kinds of users and enthusiasts alike. i can understand if some people feel like their time has been wasted in responding, but keep in mind that it'll probably get read and used in the near future by someone else researching similar topics, so responding really isn't a waste of time. while i know that most people respond out of kindness and their willingness to help others, remember that those same people also have just as much opportunity to stop first, determine if it might be a waste of time to respond, and ultimately choose not to respond. nobody forced anyone to respond to this thread, and certainly nobody forced anyone to waste his/her time. its a shame that Axel, like you, feels his time was wasted in responding, b/c he contributed a great deal to this quite informative thread...


are you actually running them all in SLI? your sig says you only have 2 cards in SLI...

I agree. Many topics are made for many differant reasons My fav is AMD/ATI drivers. But thats being replaced by The INtel drivers suck song and dance . I like intel drivers suck that means alot of performance untapped . I can live with that.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It's a moot point, 1155 destroys AM3+ in multi gpu configurations lane disadvantage or not, AMD can't overcome it's less than stellar cpu performance.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Initial overclocking reports of IB aren't that hot, there may be no real reason to upgrade, unless one wants to save 20W or so.

Truely larry I tried to stay away from this . But I know exactly how those engineering samples perform . That post they other day was a false claim. It may have went down as claimed and maybe not. Many people Hyped BD right up till the end . Even tho I was laughing about it since Dec of 2010. What I told ya than was real close to the actual released chip . I personally thought AMD would get it better with a spin or 2 more but it really didn't improve much. The point is these same people will put out BS stories about IB also . Getting 5 ghz on air should be normal but really pushing the temps hard . Hopefully intels has a fix for this at release. Intel has not given any good drivers out for IB they work and thats about it . I can't see any improvement thus far. You know as well as I that drivers will hurt o/c efforts. And what memory was used at what V at what timings . Without knowing these things the article is just trash talk still over 60 days till release

 

[Nemesis 1]

Anyone know were that article is on intel future names . Like SB IB . There was one name in there its the name of the village I live in just outside of Austin MN.