AMD Phenom II Black Edition vs. Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition

[steve wilson]

Think you guys just got trolled

edit: smakeme7757 beat me to it

 

[Arkaign]

lol awesome.

 

[sgrinavi]

Honestly This is my first time on here so I really don't know if someone else made a post about this. So here it goes.

why is it that Intel is pretty much getting away with price gouging their customers? why are being stupid enough to pay $1000 for a processor when you can go to the competition to get a comparable processor for $700+ cheaper?

Personally I used to be an Intel fanboy, but I realized they'd rather their customers shell out $1000 to be able overclock under warrantee.

It makes no sense to me. It may sound like I am ranting... okay I'm ranting, I admitted it, but I need clarification on this subject.

I am far from a noob, I have 10+ years of experience with computers I know clock speeds but obviously the only responses I am getting is from Intel fanboys.

Are we on candid camera? This has to be a joke

 

[Idontcare]

LMAO, CLASSIC.. and where did you get those 10 years of experience?

bigger question is where did he put those 10yrs experience? cuz he sure didn't bring them to the forum.

 

[BLaber]

Instead of helping a fellow member out , so called Platinum members & even moderators have joined in having fun ... posting pictures that would provoke any to reply in the way OP did.

Worst part is no one has even given a proper shot to explain to OP how things have changed in CPU world and frequency war is long gone ... bit sad to see the state of this forum lately.

 

[amenx]

He may have gotten a little more help had he not said something like this:

"Personally I used to be an Intel fanboy, but I realized they'd rather their customers shell out $1000 to be able overclock under warrantee."

And he just signed up. Maybe a coincidence, but at the same time someone else started a similar thread with roughly the same argument replete with false suppositions, poor logic and sounding like he intended to rile everyone up.

 

[Gillbot]

I am far from a noob, I have 10+ years of experience with computers I know clock speeds but obviously the only responses I am getting is from Intel fanboys.

It's all about cache size obviously argument is no longer valid... by the way i am 29 you jackass fanboys.

I suggest you take a step back. If you keep up with the name calling, you'll earn yourself a vacation.
AT "fanboy" Mod
Gillbot

 

[maniac5999]

I am far from a noob, I have 10+ years of experience with computers I know clock speeds but obviously the only responses I am getting is from Intel fanboys.

As you can clearly see from my signature I'm an Intel Fanboi, But Intel's architecture just gets more work done per clock than AMD's

 

[Idontcare]

Instead of helping a fellow member out , so called Platinum members & even moderators have joined in having fun ... posting pictures that would provoke any to reply in the way OP did.

Worst part is no one has even given a proper shot to explain to OP how things have changed in CPU world and frequency war is long gone ... bit sad to see the state of this forum lately.

...says the forum member who also couldn't be bothered to post anything constructive for the OP

 

[BoomerD]

I got a kick out of him saying "I used to be an Intel fanboi," then calling everyone who disagreed with him a fanboi...

Sounds like a troll to me.

Me, I've always owned Intel processors. Not because I'm a fanboi, but it's just the way things went...I bought my wife a new Dell this year, and <gasp> it has an Athlon X2 in it....but for the new computer build I'm planning, even though I've looked very hard at the Phenom II X4 and X6, they just don't stack up for my applications. (mostly gaming, MS Office, and web browsing) They are priced about the same as "competing" Intel processors, so they don't gain any "value points" there for me either.

 

[WT]

I just got a PII X4 B.E. 965 for free and was looking forward to replacing my Q6700@3.5 with it. Needless to say, I was kinda sad then I found out it didn't really beat my old C2Q chip

I haven't seen any benchmarks to compare my chip at its OC'd speed to a 965, but I know it isn't a drastic jump worth the change, so I am instead retiring my X2 5000+ B.E. workbench rig running at 3.01ghz with the 965 ... now THAT should be a worthwhile upgrade.

 

[aigomorla]

why is it that Intel is pretty much getting away with price gouging their customers? why are being stupid enough to pay $1000 for a processor when you can go to the competition to get a comparable processor for $700+ cheaper?

are you for real?

Because the 1000 dollar intel hexcore will stomp whatever amd throws at it, in the department of overclocking and benchmarks.

So your paying for the top.

Why is the Bugatti Veyron 1 million dollars when you can buy a honda civic for 12grand?

Because its the top.

...

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz
Intel Core i7-975 Extreme Edition Bloomfield 3.33GHz

How is the Phenom II 965 not faster?

Once again are you serious?

Its called Overclocking Bud...
The 975 had an average overclock of 4.2-4.4ghz... AVERAGE

The top on AMD was around 4-4.2.

And these are I7 ghz. vs AMD ghz... where the i7's are faster clock per clock... but lets ignore the quadcore EE, because intels EE is now in hexcore..

Until AMD has a comparable chip to this guy... Intel is allowed to charge 1000 dollars...

And sorry to say, AMD isnt there yet.


And dude.. whats up with the top tier hate lately?
A lot of jealousy be brewing near xmas time.

As all things in life... sometimes ur fortunate, sometimes ur not.
Not everyone gets to drive a Ferrari or lambo b4 they go 6 feet under.

Same can be said for EE cpu's.

 

[Arkaign]

I just got a PII X4 B.E. 965 for free and was looking forward to replacing my Q6700@3.5 with it. Needless to say, I was kinda sad then I found out it didn't really beat my old C2Q chip

I haven't seen any benchmarks to compare my chip at its OC'd speed to a 965, but I know it isn't a drastic jump worth the change, so I am instead retiring my X2 5000+ B.E. workbench rig running at 3.01ghz with the 965 ... now THAT should be a worthwhile upgrade.

Yeah for all realistic purposes, the PhII X4 and C2Q Q6xxx/9xxx are roughly equal clock for clock (forget the q8000 series, ick), and are pretty easy to hit the mid 3ghz range at minimum. The PhII X4s are a little more likely to hit 3.6-4.0, but that's not a big gain. If you were building today, obviously a X4 BE is a no-brainer vs. a socket 775 setup due to cost, but the real comparison is AM3 vs. 1156/1366. At the price points, its pretty competitive on the lower end, but once you get up to the $ where you can get a i5-7xx, there's really no contest. I think even the X6 AMDs are beaten by the Lynnfield quads in most things, and they OC pretty well also.

All in all, it's a pretty good state. I'd like to see AMD a little more competitive, but at least it's not the pure beating that AMD took in the C2D/C2Q era. Even Intel was moderately competitive during the P4/A64 single-core era, it wasn't until the X2 and model # 4000+ stuff started coming out that Intel really didn't have anything in the performance neighborhood (and as someone pointed out, that ended up with ~$500 to $1k Athlon X2s pretty quickly).

 

[RavenSEAL]

Sorry, thats a bunch of crap. Maybe the noob alert is for you?

Talking to the wrong guy, go email the folks at anand.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/45?vs=55

 

[pctweaks]

truly astonishing: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=55
(fallout bench, down the page. E8500 beats i7 980X!!)

 

[OCGuy]

I had only seen a couple troll threads in this sub-forum previously, and now there are 2 on the front page?

 

[Rifter]

Instead of helping a fellow member out , so called Platinum members & even moderators have joined in having fun ... posting pictures that would provoke any to reply in the way OP did.

Worst part is no one has even given a proper shot to explain to OP how things have changed in CPU world and frequency war is long gone ... bit sad to see the state of this forum lately.

actually i posted a very clear link showing clock for clock means nothing. And if the OP is as confrontational as he has been then what did you expect to happen?