AMD or Intel chip for new computer?

[ILikeSprite]

Go AMD........ you'll be glad you did.

 

[chuckieland]

go amd

 

[imgod2u]

Since you're on a budget, I'd definitely suggest an AMD solution. $1500 is no where near enough to get a high-performing P4 system (unless you skimp out a LOT on all the other stuff) which is just not worth it. The P4's newest revision, Northwood, seems to win many benchmarks, but ones that have favored the Athlon in the past still do. The thing that is to Intel's advantage (and probably the only thing in their advantage) is that with an Intel CPU, you can match it up with an Intel chipset, which, to my past experience, has provided less headache than any other third party chipset. All that may change when the nForce matures (knowing nVidia's excellent driver record), but for now, that's where I stand. Performance wise, the two aren't all that different, it's a matter of price vs stability/compatibility. Although in your case, the price may be more important as third party chipsets have improved significantly since the days of the Apollo 133A. There are still the occational problems, and when they happen it'll be a headache for sure, but that kind of thing occurs to maybe 1% if even of all the people who buy them.

 

[Sharkmeat]

Go to a chat room and listen to to all the headaches I have to put up with hearing about AMD owners have,then make up your mind if you don't buy retail AMD (so you can return it if no good) leave them to some one that can tweak the damn thing out.Enough said.Cheap whiskey means a bad headahce.

 

[BFG10K]

is it true that AMD chips outperforms P4 in game performance at a cheaper price?

Absolutely. The chip of choice for 3D gamers is the Palomino.

Is there any downsides to AMD XP chips compared to P4?

P4s have thermal protection and clock throttling. Both help in situations where cooling fails.

 

[sandorski]

Sharkmeat: So, you've discovered that DIY's build AMD systems.

 

[WilsonTung]

Just steer clear of VIA products. Though they are fast, they are unproven, unreliable, and need tweaking to work solidly.

 

[Halogen]

<< Regardless, for $1500 you should be able to build either. >>


not really, here are prices from my local parts store:
AMD-OEM ATHLON XP 1700+ AXP1700DMT3C 1.47GHZ CPU SOCKET A $285.00
INTEL® PENTIUM® IV PGA478 RETAIL P4 2.0 GHZ 400MHZ FSB (NO MEMORY) $725.00

that intel is not a Northwood and both processors are rougly the same speed at processing things (based on graph comparissons in that article about the new Northwood. both of these processors were included in the graphs)

here's the price of a Northwood. what a scam!
INTEL® PENTIUM® IV PGA478 RETAIL P4 2.2 GHZ 400MHZ FSB (NO MEMORY) $1,100.00

here's the link to that article
HERE
just click next page at the bottom to keep seeing new benchmarks

 

[m1ke101]

<< Go to a chat room and listen to to all the headaches I have to put up with hearing about AMD owners have >>



um what kind of chatrooms do you go to? i'm not saying that AMD users don't have problems, but i wasn't aware that they have any more problems than intel users do...

 

[GooberPHX420]

Save yourself some money, get equal to or greater than peformance!

AMD buddy. If you have $1500 dollars to blow, you can
build one monster system. With that much money, I wouldnt
hesitate to drop $300 bucks for the new XP2000 and another
$150 for a good board. As for intel, no no. As everyone has
been shown like hundreds of times, AMD XP's absolutely
rape the P4 in ALMOST every aspect while being nearly half the
price. just make sure u get a performance heatsink

 

[Halogen]

Goober, i agree with your opinion that Athlon is better but look at those prices i posted
they are untampered and unchanged. the P4 is MORE THAN twice the price lol

 

[christoph83]

Wow Halogen,those are some horrible prices for the northwoods and pentiumd 4's. You can grab a 2.0A northwood retail from newegg for 420 and 670 for the 2.2ghz .
Here's some prices online:
2.0A ~420
Abit P4B266-C ~130
2x 256 DDR P2100 ~140
PNY Geforce3 Ti200 ~160
Maxter 40GB 7200 RPM drive ~90
Cheiftec Case from newegg ~85
16x DVD ~60
Lite-on 24x Burner ~90
Floppy,Nic,Modem ~60

Total: 1235 +/- 70 dollars

So its not horribly exspensive for an intel setup right now. Plus you can overclock that thing to 2.3-2.5ghz. And you get the proven stability of an intel based chipset. But definatly overall an XP based system will be cheaper.

 

[majewski9]

Whomever said that the Northwoods beat out the XP 2000+ obviousily didnt read the anandtech review! I saw someone say 25% performance gain! Umm...in Intels dreams will their top p4 have 25% over the Athlon in any benchmark! umm AthlonXP is the only solution since p4 prices are rediculous. AthlonXP is also a lot better umm in every way! Northwoood is a step in the right direction though.

 

[Bovinicus]

I vote for AMD as well. Get yourself a nice 1700+ or 1800+. The price for what you get is pretty damned good. Man, good hardware is so cheap nowadays.

If you do end up going P4 anyway, just make sure you don't pair it with SDRAM. Unless you don't mind some serious performance decreases.

 

[christoph83]

Whomever said that the Northwoods beat out the XP 2000+ obviousily didnt read the anandtech review! I saw someone say 25% performance gain! Umm...in Intels dreams will their top p4 have 25% over the Athlon in any benchmark! umm AthlonXP is the only solution since p4 prices are rediculous. AthlonXP is also a lot better umm in every way! Northwoood is a step in the right direction though.


Maybe you should quote someone like I did because nowhere in this forum did I see someone mention what you just said.

 

[JBChance]

Been buying AMD's for years - only Intel I owned was a 486.

Reason? Price with performance.

Period

 

[Halogen]

<< Wow Halogen,those are some horrible prices for the northwoods and pentiumd 4's. You can grab a 2.0A northwood retail from newegg for 420 and 670 for the 2.2ghz >>


i checked that site and it's an american site
after the conversion we see that the price of the 2.2 is actually $1005 Canadian plus about $5 shippin and $5 terrif into canada for the price of $1015, that is not much of a big difference

 

[christoph83]

Nevermind sorry,your talking about canadian prices right?

 

[Halogen]

yeah, but it's neat to see that prices in the US are the same as in Canada
our Candian peso is makin stuff cheaper here actually lol

 

[Siddhartha]

Go with AMD and have a local shop build it for you.