Quote:
" In AMD's previous June roadmap, projections were estimated all the way out to Q3'07, but this refresh only contains outlook for the next two quarters. AMD?s Athlon 64 FX lineup will return to sharing a socket with AMD?s server and workstation Opteron lineup. Instead of using socket AM2 processors for AMD?s 4x4 platform there will be a switch to the land-grid-array Socket-F which may be disappointing to enthusiasts and gamers. AMD is specifically calling these new processors FX 2-P. "
Source:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4422
myocardia
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The 4x4 motherboards are already on the market? I must have missed that. Got a link? Read that article carefully, and they say absolutely nothing about using a quad-core in a desktop AM2 motherboard.Originally posted by: Viditor
Link
And please let me know if you need help with your Google trouble...
They do specifically say "For their upcoming 4X4 enthusiast platform, AMD has said that you will be able to install two dual-core processors before Christmas and then upgrade to a dual quad-processor system by the middle of next year." That's the only quote attributable to AMD in that entire article, and it doesn't name the source.
While there have been a lot of rumors about AM2 being forward-compatible with AM3 CPU's I've heard rumors about there being a socket AM2+ socket that will be made for these new quad-core CPUs.
im sticking with AMD
why? a hunch
going with ATI too
if im wrong, oh well, ill just upgrade like we all do, right?
why? a hunch
going with ATI too
if im wrong, oh well, ill just upgrade like we all do, right?
That article seems bit vague but I do think AMD is pushing 4x4 platform even if it's a reactive move against Conroe onslaught. AMD cores can't beat conroe so they try to use a better platform to do it, we all have our ways. If 4x4 is priced right, it could be an excellent platform to carry several upgrades. I'd say currently AM2 is a decent upgrade platform since AMD repeatedly guranteed a easy quad drop-in upgrade which is worth couple hundred of wasted platform money. Intel I think all recent C2D boards should support future quads although Intel haven't said this enough to be reassuring to me at this point. I would say AM2 is guranteed a drop-in quad comes mid 2007, 4x4 if it does materialize by year end will most likely be the ultimate upgrader, Intel there's a chance you might have to upgrade those expensive baords or even other subsystems.
Can't see why you would buy an AMD system these days. They are slower, use more power, and have no near term upside. There is nothing to suggest that the 65nm AMD chips will catch up to Conroe in performance, and you can buy a Conroe system today that you can drop a quad core in later. If you care about glued or unglued quad core (not sure why this actually matters to anyone on a desktop) there still isn't a great reason to go AMD because it will be a very long time before "native quadcore" moves down from the opterons to the athlons.
If you're talking more like 2 years down the road, you're going to have to upgrade everything anyway, so what you choose now won't matter. AMD and ATI could do some crazy stuff together.
PS I have been using AMD systems exclusively for 4 years.
If you're talking more like 2 years down the road, you're going to have to upgrade everything anyway, so what you choose now won't matter. AMD and ATI could do some crazy stuff together.
PS I have been using AMD systems exclusively for 4 years.
Where does it say all AM2 boards are quad capable? It says they're compatible with AM3, but that doesnt mean squat, as K8L (which presumably is AM3) will come in both dual and quad core components.
OTOH, you have people on XS who have tested Kentsfield ES samples on reegular Core2 965/975 boards and have them working with a BIOS patch.
Originally posted by: myocardia
The 4x4 motherboards are already on the market? I must have missed that. Got a link? Read that article carefully, and they say absolutely nothing about using a quad-core in a desktop AM2 motherboard.Originally posted by: Viditor
Link
And please let me know if you need help with your Google trouble...
They do specifically say "For their upcoming 4X4 enthusiast platform, AMD has said that you will be able to install two dual-core processors before Christmas and then upgrade to a dual quad-processor system by the middle of next year." That's the only quote attributable to AMD in that entire article, and it doesn't name the source.
Henri Richard interview
"While the platform will be limited to two dual-core processors, for a total of four cores, Richard promised an expansion for 2007. "What's really cool [about the technology] is that it's quad-core compatible, which means that sometimes next year you will be able to move from 4-core to eight-core.""
You're talking about quad-core K8L for the 4x4 platform. There will also be quad-core K8L CPUs for regular desktops and those will use the AM2 socket. People from AMD have already told us this.
How about "Many of us that are currently running socket 939 systems are out of luck on this one, but if you have a socket AM2 AMD system with DDR2 support, moving to a quad-core processor should be as simple as changing out the processor itself and moving on."?
I saw that rumour too...I believe it stems from the HKEPC which the Register links to here.
I'm becoming more skeptical of HKEPC since their reports on quad core were so far off (they reported the first quad cores due in 2008 while at the same time AMD had PRs saying it was mid 2007)...
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VR-Zone - Quad Core Battle : Intel Yorkfield vs AMD Altair
"Yorkfield Extreme Edition based on the 45nm Penry core architecture will meet heads-on with AMD Altair based on the 65nm K8L core in Q3 2007. Both are quad core offerings but AMD touted theirs to be a native quad-core with dedicated 512KB L2 cache for each core and an additional 2MB L3 cache for the 4 cores to share. Intel has different plans for Yorkfield. Instead of sharing L2 cache for all the cores, the L2 cache size is further increased. Due to its advanced 45nm process technology, Yorkfield XE is able to pack a total of 12MB L2 cache (2 x 6MB L2) and still achieving a much smaller die size. The clock speed is significantly higher at 3.46-3.74GHz too.
Yorkfield will feature Penryn New Instructions (PNI) or more officially known as SSE4 with 50 more new instructions. Yorkfield XE will pair up nicely with the Bearlake-X chipset supporting DDR3 1333, PCI Express 2.0 and ICH9x coming in the Q3 '07 timeframe as well. It is hard to predict which architecture will win eventually but it seems like AMD has packed more innovations into their K8L architecture while Intel moving onto 45nm process benefits its Yorkfield greatly in terms of lower power consumption, higher clock speed and a much bigger L2 cache. Certainly it is exciting ahead of us."
Note - the link includes a RoadMap Time Line
EDIT - this has already been posted in it's own thread, SORRY for the repost.
"Yorkfield Extreme Edition based on the 45nm Penry core architecture will meet heads-on with AMD Altair based on the 65nm K8L core in Q3 2007. Both are quad core offerings but AMD touted theirs to be a native quad-core with dedicated 512KB L2 cache for each core and an additional 2MB L3 cache for the 4 cores to share. Intel has different plans for Yorkfield. Instead of sharing L2 cache for all the cores, the L2 cache size is further increased. Due to its advanced 45nm process technology, Yorkfield XE is able to pack a total of 12MB L2 cache (2 x 6MB L2) and still achieving a much smaller die size. The clock speed is significantly higher at 3.46-3.74GHz too.
Yorkfield will feature Penryn New Instructions (PNI) or more officially known as SSE4 with 50 more new instructions. Yorkfield XE will pair up nicely with the Bearlake-X chipset supporting DDR3 1333, PCI Express 2.0 and ICH9x coming in the Q3 '07 timeframe as well. It is hard to predict which architecture will win eventually but it seems like AMD has packed more innovations into their K8L architecture while Intel moving onto 45nm process benefits its Yorkfield greatly in terms of lower power consumption, higher clock speed and a much bigger L2 cache. Certainly it is exciting ahead of us."
Note - the link includes a RoadMap Time Line
EDIT - this has already been posted in it's own thread, SORRY for the repost.
myocardia
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Are you talking about the guy that wrote that article's speculation at the end of the first page? If you are, here's some speculation for you: AM2's aren't going to accept quad-cores, because AMD has not said that they will. And my "quote" is much more credible, since it actually utilizes logic, in addition to just making things up.
Yeah, you said using quad core with AM2 wasn't even mentioned in the article. Might want to edit your previous post so that it is correct before you poop your pants, mr.
Ahh, I love that nice and friendly attitude you've got there.
Anyways, AMD's Henri Richard has indicated before that AM2 will take K8L. If the quote below isn't a strong indication, I don't know what is:
"Well, if we?re going to be more open about 2007 plans, I think Computex would be a good time to start saying a little more about it since that?s where we are introducing our AM2 new infrastructure. That's not to say we're going to present K8L at Computex?don't get me wrong?but I think that that would be a good time to start to disclose more about the future because one of the strong attributes of our roadmap, both in 2006 and 2007, is socket compatibility. The nice thing we're going to do is to deliver to customers. Whatever improvements K8L will provide, they will be applicable to some of the sockets we will be introducing. Therefore, there's a certain logic, to my mind, in disclosing more at that time."
Sure, K8L on AM2 doesn't have to mean K8L quad core, since there will be dual core and probably single core too. It would make perfect sense though. Why? Well, the X4 series will not be introduced on the Socket F 4x4 platform, since that seems to be reserved for the FX series. So, if they're actually going to release the mainstream quad cores on a new socket, it means scrapping the still fresh AM2 socket and introducing another DDR2 desktop socket (since DDR3 isn't likely to be widely available in the middle of 2007). And that's what you call logical?
The problems I have with this "roadmap",
1. It doesn't cite any source for the info
2. It contradicts what Intel just said at IDF...
IDF roadmap foil
Intel is planning to release 45nm at the beginning of 2008 (possibly late Q4 2007), not Q3 of 2007...
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My point all along, since you obviously didn't seem to comprehend, was that anyone can make a claim. And one person's opinion/claim is every bit as legitimate as the next person's, unless one of the two actually knows the answer to the question.
I've been browsing "AM2 quad-core" theads all afternoon/evening, and guess what? You aren't the only two people who are under the impression that AM2 will have quad-core sometime in the future. Your problem, however, is that not one of them has a link to anything to support their beliefs either.
Here's a tip - don't just look at the roadmap image, read the comments as well.
From that very page you linked:
"Paul Otellini revealed more detail in his opening keynote last week, claiming that the first 45nm microprocessor design (presumably Penryn) will be completed next quarter, with 45nm products scheduled to ship in the second half of 2007."
Originally posted by: harpoon84
Here's a tip - don't just look at the roadmap image, read the comments as well.
From that very page you linked:
"Paul Otellini revealed more detail in his opening keynote last week, claiming that the first 45nm microprocessor design (presumably Penryn) will be completed next quarter, with 45nm products scheduled to ship in the second half of 2007."
Actually, the tip isn't needed (I do that always). But if I could call your attention to the fact that shipping in H2 doesn't mean available in H2, and that the end of Q4 is still H2 07.
Here is another proof below. Also notice that AM3 has been postponed and socket AM2 is 100% K8L next year (be it dual, quad, or 4x4).
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=679375&starttime=0&endtime=0
So, yes. a move to AM2 platform is future proof and ungradable to K8L. As far as I am concerned, AM2 is good for 2-4 years (till year 2010 hopefully).
Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: harpoon84
Here's a tip - don't just look at the roadmap image, read the comments as well.
From that very page you linked:
"Paul Otellini revealed more detail in his opening keynote last week, claiming that the first 45nm microprocessor design (presumably Penryn) will be completed next quarter, with 45nm products scheduled to ship in the second half of 2007."
Actually, the tip isn't needed (I do that always). But if I could call your attention to the fact that shipping in H2 doesn't mean available in H2, and that the end of Q4 is still H2 07.
It also says Penryn design will be completed NEXT QUARTER, which is Q1 07. After that it's all a matter of yields, so a Q3 launch could be a possibility. Availability usually comes soon after shipping, does it not?
What's the point in shipping products out if you're not gonna sell it?
Anyhow, it's all speculation at this stage, a lot can change in 9 months, but if those articles are accurate then K8L would have to be a hell of a chip to beat a 3.46 - 3.73GHz Yorkfield while only being clocked at 2.7 - 2.9GHz itself.
Originally posted by: harpoon84
It also says Penryn design will be completed NEXT QUARTER, which is Q1 07. After that it's all a matter of yields, so a Q3 launch could be a possibility. Availability usually comes soon after shipping, does it not?
What's the point in shipping products out if you're not gonna sell it?
Anyhow, it's all speculation at this stage, but if those articles are accurate then K8L would have to be a hell of a chip to beat a 3.46 - 3.73GHz Yorkfield while only being clocked at 2.7 - 2.9GHz itself.
Anything's possible, but I doubt it...for example, AMD started producing 65nm production chips in October 2005. One year is a fairly reasonable timeframe from first production chip to shipping.
You ship products out to OEMs first, but sales happen about 2-3 months later (once the systems are built and tested). This happened with Conroe as well...
As to K8L (or more accurately, Rev H), from the paper specs it appears that the cores should be equivalent to the C2Ds. However the on-die mem-controller and HT3.0 should give AMD a distinct advantage. As to specifics, I suspect that Intel will have the advantage in integer processing (barely), but K8L will be MUCH better at FP ops and I/O.
Hmm, I was just reading Firingsquads 2007 CPU/GPU sneak peek and they also seem to believe Yorkfield will debut Q3 07 as well.
They based that on a Digitimes report:
http://digitimes.com/mobos/a20060928A2007.html
They based that on a Digitimes report:
http://digitimes.com/mobos/a20060928A2007.html
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