AMD Nano Blacklist Situation

[boozzer]

when TR ignored frame times issues of Fermi cards despite the data in their own testing showing it, how TR ignored to revisit HD7970/CF series when drivers improved to show that HD7990/7970Ghz CF was a far better solution than GTX690/680 SLI after the drivers were much improved, how TR ignored to discuss 290X CF/Fury X CF XDMA frame times smoothness? How TR ignored the existence of after-market HD7970Ghz/R9 290/290X cards for basically the entirety of their existence? How TR blatantly came up with ludicrous reasons to do everything possible to recommend GTX960 in their reviews and ignoring all the advantages of R9 280X/after-market 290 cards?

TR and HardOCP lost all credibility long before the Nano and Fury X came out. Both of those sites were a write-off after their GTX960 reviews.

You cannot possibly be an objective 'hardcore/enthusiast hardware' review site and recommend a GTX960 2GB for $200 for gaming when after-market R9 290 cards are 50% faster, have 50% more VRAM, are cool, quiet and cost $50 more. It's not possible. That's akin to recommending HD7770 over HD6950 2GB/GTX560Ti/6970 because is has superior perf/watt, more advanced feature set/architecture and saves on electricity costs.

Do you remember TR or HardOCP recommending HD7770 over GTX560Ti or HD6950 unlocked? See these sites lack consistency when it comes to what metrics actually matter. Today it's perf/watt, tomorrow its overclocking, next month its VRAM, then its frame latency, then its GW's performance.

TR does a stand-alone article if 4GB of VRAM is a limitation for gaming but provides little warning to prospective buyers of GTX960 2GB cards about their VRAM limitation issues.

Sorry, these sites claim they try to provide objective advice to gamers but their reviews and data and conclusions they write keep proving otherwise.

haha, this is great. so spot on. I freaking hate review sites run by shills. makes it so hard for me to find actual info when I do my search. so much back ground noise.

@amenx where? on this forum? cause the majority of us just want fair/correct info. if nv provides better perf/$ for next gen I would gladly switch but it all depends on how fast intel improves it's IGP. my current gpu could be my last.

 

[n0x1ous]

my current gpu could be my last.

Heresy!

 

[Pariah]

Yep, that why there are 4 benches of project cars included in aggregate score in pclabs gpu reviews. They didn't get the free nano obivously...

Not a single person ever linked "average performance" graph...ever!

If you have a point to make, just say it. I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

 

[thilanliyan]

What in the world?

Exactly what I was thinking...if [H] doesn't have a "Nano focus", why get mad at not getting a card for review? It probably wouldn't affect their readership much.

This particular card, it makes more sense to send to sites that extensively review HTCP/small form factor/Quiet PCs IMO.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Last time I heard about shills and biased reviews was... Intel vs AMD CPUs. That basically stopped when those making such arguments eventually switched to Intel.

Also this:

In a recent filing to the FTC Intel has cited a former AMD executive who admitted that if it wasn't for company loyalty, he "would never buy AMD" when it came to purchasing a personal system.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Intel-anti-competitive-Henri-Richard,9441.html

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Last time I heard about shills and biased reviews was... Intel vs AMD CPUs. That basically stopped when those making such arguments eventually switched to Intel.

You must not visit this forum often.

 

[Phynaz]

Snip typical book of text

Oh really? Like when TR ignored frame times issues of Fermi cards despite the data in their own testing showing it, how TR ignored to revisit HD7970/CF series when drivers improved to show that HD7990/7970Ghz CF was a far better solution than GTX690/680 SLI...blah..blah...blah

You don't like the results so they aren't fair. How about you volunteer to write a review using new drivers. I'm sure you have all the free hours it takes

In the past I would have expected better from you, but you have become so AMD biased you take everything personally now. If a site doesn't show AMD in the best possible light you get offended.

Before you reply with another tiring wall of text, remember I've been called an AMD fanboy on this very forum.

 

[Atreidin]

Holy crap that HardOCP whine-fest was unprofessional. Maybe he is trying to stay in people's minds and make up for "lost" page views and ad revenue by acting like he is in middle school.

 

[cen1]

Holy crap that HardOCP whine-fest was unprofessional. Maybe he is trying to stay in people's minds and make up for "lost" page views and ad revenue by acting like he is in middle school.

HardOCP is acting very unprofessional lately and it started with Fury X review as far as I can tell. It went downhill from there and it is only getting worse. Some of the forum posts on hardforum by both editors are straight up hostile.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Maybe he is trying to stay in people's minds and make up for "lost" page views and ad revenue by acting like he is in middle school.

I think this is a big part of it, generate hits to make up for no Nano review.

 

[crashtech]

I don't know Kyle, but his response seemed hypersensitive compared to the low-key TechPowerUp post.

 

[Glo.]

You don't like the results so they aren't fair. How about you volunteer to write a review using new drivers. I'm sure you have all the free hours it takes

In the past I would have expected better from you, but you have become so AMD biased you take everything personally now. If a site doesn't show AMD in the best possible light you get offended.

Before you reply with another tiring wall of text, remember I've been called an AMD fanboy on this very forum.

First of all, you jumped to a conclusion about me, and points in my post based on only your view, what I have written.

All the above is BS.

1. AMD certainly does include reviewer guides with their review units. Do you need me to post one?

2. You are saying Tech Report isn't fair. That's flat out wrong.

3. You're right, they aren't Nvidia. Which has nothing to do with this issue and is just trolling.

This is your response to my post, where I did not wrote ANY SINGLE WORD about TR.

AMD blacklisted sites because of their deliberate shills, and trouncing AMD for... everything. AMD does not provide any "specific" guide for reviewers that they have to strictly follow or they will not get another sample of AMD GPU. All AMD wants is fairness. And that is not the case of Techpowerup, HardOCP, and the rest.


They are not Nvidia .

This is exact my post. Do you see there any word about TR?

What I meant in my post is that AMD does not say: "you will follow the guide or will not receive any GPUs from us to test, anymore!". And then you accused me for being a troll. And it was only misunderstanding. From your side, and not perfect "wording" what I was thinking of. I think jumping to conclusions about people you are responding to:

You don't like the results so they aren't fair. How about you volunteer to write a review using new drivers. I'm sure you have all the free hours it takes

In the past I would have expected better from you, but you have become so AMD biased you take everything personally now. If a site doesn't show AMD in the best possible light you get offended.

Before you reply with another tiring wall of text, remember I've been called an AMD fanboy on this very forum.

is at least not wise.

And if you want to discuss fairness of Techpowerup, remember this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/212724/its-now-been-over-160-days-since-a-catalyst-whql-release.html

 

[happy medium]

This thread reminds me of a AMD fanboy circle jerk......and Nvidia is the middle man.
Just saying.....


Since this is a opinion based thread,that's my opinion.

 

[Gikaseixas]

You don't like the results so they aren't fair

He was talking about tests the TR never performed because it didn't favor a certain brand, he never said anything about results. Don't jump to conclusions so fast.

TR ignored frame time when AMD fixed their issues with it and made a big deal when Nvidia was ahead. It's a fact

 

[Gikaseixas]

This thread reminds me of a AMD fanboy circle jerk......and Nvidia is the middle man.
Just saying.....


Since this is a opinion based thread,that's my opinion.

Remove the shades and you might see it from a different angle

 

[bystander36]

Maybe it would be best for the consumer if AMD stops giving cards to anyone. That way there is nothing stopping them from speaking their mind and giving us the straight info.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Maybe it would be best for the consumer if AMD stops giving cards to anyone. That way there is nothing stopping them from speaking their mind and giving us the straight info.

This applies to Nvidia also no????? WOW

 

[bystander36]

This applies to Nvidia also no????? WOW

It would work best if neither supplied cards, then they don't have to worry about what either company thinks.

 

[Gikaseixas]

It would work best if neither supplied cards, then they don't have to worry about what either company thinks.

Much better, I'm all for fairness.

I'm with you, i think these freebies are to blame for the current situation.

 

[boozzer]

hehe this thread is wonderful. so many "fanboys" being used and no one getting wacked by mods yet.

Infraction issued for moderator callout.
-- stahlhart

 

[Carfax83]

My point is people want to see their favorite brands winning in benches and when it isn't the case they are biased.

Pretty much this. I've seen many people accuse HardOCP of being AMD biased and NVidia biased over the years, and the same for practically every other tech review site.

And what is exactly biased about TechPowerUp or TechReport?

 

[cmdrdredd]

It just biases the reviewers even more, imo.

AMD likes me, so I get a free card! What a great card!

AMD hates me, made me buy this stupid card! This card sucks!

IMO:

Either give cards to reviewers, or don't.

Don't pick and choose.

I agree. There are probably going to be places that automatically put AMD down a notch because they are accused of bias. If someone has problems with a product and can adequately explain the reason for that then I have no problem. Take the most popular games and if the card performs poorly it should be mentioned. If it performs well it should be mentioned as well. The problem occurs in my mind when you start removing games from your benchmark round up because a certain card performs poorly. Don't hide that. By the same token don't try to show it in a good light by only testing games it excels at. However, that isn't enough to prove bias by itself. I think reviewers should be free to test any games they want. The more the better.

He was talking about tests the TR never performed because it didn't favor a certain brand, he never said anything about results. Don't jump to conclusions so fast.

TR ignored frame time when AMD fixed their issues with it and made a big deal when Nvidia was ahead. It's a fact

They initially illustrated an issue, when there was no issue there was no need to spend time on it anymore.

 

[Gikaseixas]

They initially illustrated an issue, when there was no issue there was no need to spend time on it anymore

NV gave them the tech to test when it suited them and after AMD was better at it, it was suddenly removed. That's what happened

 

[Gikaseixas]

I remember many users here accusing HardOCP of bias when they were pro-AMD, now it's the other way. Brand Loyalty at it's best

 

[cmdrdredd]

NV gave them the tech to test when it suited them and after AMD was better at it, it was suddenly removed. That's what happened

They were under no requirement to do any testing at all. Maybe Nvidia paid them to the first time. Then they saw how long it took and all the data etc and says screw it. I know many sites refused to do it because it was too tedious.