Amd music/gaming build, help needed please

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AATRuler

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Well, Copper can take more heat.. or transfer more heat so your core stays cooler :cool: AlCu is a mix from ALuminium and Copper which can take less heat so it gets hotter. The difference in temperatures would b about a few degrees celcius.. like 1-4. So if your not a real overclocker but want to keep it cool.. you can go with those versions, yeah!
 

bball1523

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Alright guys, here's my updated list of parts that I am going to buy. Please let me know if anything doesn't look right.


Case: Antec SONATA II Piano Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450Watt SmartPower 2.0 ATX 12V V2.0 for AMD & Intel systems Power Supply - Retail $120

Mobo: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $129.50

Videocard: eVGA 6800 GT 256MB DDR3/PCI-E/TV-Out/Dual-DVI (Retail Box) $340 ($20 mail-in-rebate)

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3200BPBOX - Retail $190

RAM: CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model VS1GBKIT400 - Retail $79.99

HD 1: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 SATA NCQ ST3120827AS 120GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM $83

HD 2: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST380817AS 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM $61

DVD-ROM (to burn/copy cd to cd): ASUS Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E616P3BLK - Retail $26.50

DVD-Burner: BenQ Black IDE DVD Burner Model DW1620 BLK - OEM $39.99

HSF: ZALMAN CNPS7700-CU 120mm 2 Ball Cooling Fan - Retail $46.99

OS: Microsoft Windows XP HOME Edition With Service Pack 2 - OEM $91.95

Soundcard: Echo MIA MIDI Digital Audio and MIDI Card $130

Total: $1338.92 + 43.28 shipping = $1382.20 MAX BUDGET: $1500

I still have some questions:

1) Will everything above interact with each other well? If I use everything stock, will there be any heating issue?

2) Do I need extra cables to connect anything?

3) Do I need extra fans. If so, what type, brand, price?

4) Anything else you guys want to say?

thanks!
 

AATRuler

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Get 3000+ Venice, same or better performance than 3200+ but less bucks.

HMm, and lemme find some recent bench or something for a quiet 120mm fan.
 
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AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (San Diego Core)
DFI LanParty UT NForce4 Ultra
1 GB DDR OCZ Dual CHannel Gold VX
Seagate 7200.8 250 GB
Antec Performance One
Antec True Power II 430 PSU
Gigabyte X800XL
Logitech Elite Keyboard
Logitech MX500
NEC 3520 Dual Layer DVD Burner
Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Speakers

Without the speakers its about $1300 Add that in ur at $1400 Good headphones, mouse keyboard, $1500. Tada. BTW that's my system build, not some random stuff I pulled.
 
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Erk the keyboard and mouse were included in the list already but without those the config is $1300.

You might wanna get some better cooling or definitely a SOUND CARD =P. I can live with integrated but u probably can't
 

bball1523

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that sounds like a good build, but I already have two harddrives selected, soundcard, already have monitor/keyboard/mouse, and with a 100 dollars left, I could probably put that into buying some software/games.

I'm just wondering if my wishlist will work, that's all.
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: bball1523
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: bball1523
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Stick with the Delta 44. For your needs this is by far the best bang for the buck soundcard out there.

Also, you are certainly going to need to think about NOISE man...NOISE. I was able to build a PC with a number of fans that was dead quiet. Spend a little extra $$$ (shouldn't be much more) and buy high quality, QUIET fans. Trust me, when your mic (especially if you buy a condensor) picks up more computer noise then your own voice you are going to wish you had quieter fans.

Also, about mics...if you buy the Delta 44 you're going to need a preamp. A mic is not going to just plug-in to the Delta 44 breakout box. Look into get an M-Audio DMP3. I think they're $150-$200 and are damn good for the $$$. For mics, my god, there are a number of high-quality sub $200 mics out there. If you're interested, I have a Rode NT-1 in great shape that I could give you a great price on. Heck, I also may have a Delta 44 to sell (if my current buyer hasn't backed out). LMK if you're interested in either one.

What type of music are you going to be recording? I can certainly help you get setup cheaply and with good sound.

I'm just wondering why you would recommend the Delta 44 over the Echo Mia Midi. I really want Midi because I will be buying a Midi Controller Keyboard someday soon.

The music I will be recording will mostly be guitar and instrumental metal. I am not going to try my best to get the best sound. I'm just a beginner who wants to start somewhere basic and upgrade later on. If I can get a good soundcard to plug in my guitar and jam with, then I am perfectly fine.

As for noise, what fans do you recommend that are as silent as possible? Again I am not going be to making a professional studio here so even if there is a bit of noise, it probably won't bother me, but a quiet pc would be awesome.

Is the Zalman HSF I selected good? I need some names

Yeah, I think Zalman makes good quiet stuff. I actually can't remember what brand fans I purchased (it was over 3 years ago). Actually, my HSF was a Taisol with an Adda fan on it...but I'm sure the Zalman stuff would work great. Honestly, the noisiest part of the system was the GPU fan. Those buggers can get awfully noisy.

Oh, I thought you were considering the Delta 44. I saw others recommend Soundblasters and crap like that...I wanted to advise you against that. The Echo Mia Midi will work just fine. But as I stated before. You are going to need a preamp before using a mic, guitar, whatever the case maybe (you cannot and do not try to just plug your guitar or mic into the soundcard). For guitar, you can plug it into a preamp but what are you going to do for effects? If you have an amp you may just want to mic it...or you can, down the road, buy a POD, a V-Amp, or etc which will help you be more creative.

What speakers are you going to use?

I will be getting a boss gt-8 sometime soon, and/or a pod xt.

I've heard people who just plug into the soundcard and play. How come you advise not to do that? Is it because there's not enough signal going through the guitar to the computer?
If I get a preamp, the dmp3 might be the best choice for me because of the price.

How good is the M-audio Audio buddy ($119 retail)? Or are there any cheaper preamps where I can have 1 instrument and 1 mic input?

You'd need a direct box if you wanted to plug it straight into your sound card. I guess you COULD plug it directly into the Echo (it would be mono obviously), but yeah...it would sound like crap, but I guess you could try it.

I personally haven't used the Audio buddy, but I own the DMP3...by far the best preamp for the money.

 

bball1523

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If it sounds like crap, then I'll probably go ahead and get the dmp3. Do you know where the cheapest place to get the dmp3? I checked ebay, but I don't know how reliable the hardware would be, if its used.
 

bball1523

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you guys think it's worth going for the SLI version of Neo4 Platinum? It's on sale for $122, but my only problem is that it only has 3 pci slots, whereas the neo 4 platinum has 4 pci slots. But this SLI version has SB Live built into it.
 

shelaby

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get the venice 3000 insted of the 3200, save money and you can OC the 3000 as high as u can OC the 3200
 

bball1523

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Originally posted by: shelaby
get the venice 3000 insted of the 3200, save money and you can OC the 3000 as high as u can OC the 3200

I don't want to overclock though, I think I'm already set with the cpu and mobo. I just need to know if everything will work fine.
 

bball1523

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Alright, here's my final decisions, and I'm about to make the transaction any time now:

Case: Antec SONATA II Piano Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450Watt SmartPower 2.0 ATX 12V V2.0 for AMD & Intel systems Power Supply - Retail EBUYER.com $105

Mobo: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $129.50

Videocard: eVGA 6800 GT 256MB DDR3/PCI-E/TV-Out/Dual-DVI (Retail Box) MONARCHCOMPUTER.com $340 ($20 mail-in-rebate)

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3200BPBOX - Retail $190

RAM: CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model VS1GBKIT400 - Retail $79.99

HD 1: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 SATA NCQ ST3120827AS 120GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM $83

HD 2: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST380817AS 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM $61

DVD-Burner: BenQ Black IDE DVD Burner Model DW1620 BLK - OEM $39.99

OS: Microsoft Windows XP HOME Edition With Service Pack 2 - OEM VIOSOFTWARE.com $84

Soundcard: Echo MIA MIDI Digital Audio and MIDI Card SAMEDAYMUSIC.com $130

Total: $1311.37 w/shipping + tax MAX BUDGET: $1500

quick questions:

1) Are the stores I selected to buy from reliable and good to go? (newegg, viosoftware, monarchcomputers, ebuyer, and samedaymusic)

2) Do all the parts work together perfectly and will I be ok with all the stock hsf, fans, parts?

3) anything else you want to recommend other than processor and mobo?