AMD launches FirePro W9100 with 16GB GDDR5

[piesquared]

Insane new Pro card. Here's some quotes from partners and twitter:

#AMDFirePro W9100 launch - designed for real-time 4K, 2.67TFLOPs of Double Precision and 5.7 SP rate for OpenCL acceleration

Adobe: 16GB is 'insane' for a graphics card; multiple 4K 'astonishing'

'"Insane!" "Astonishing" "Incredible" These are the words #AMDFirePro partners use to describe new GPU launch' - Raja Koduri

"If you use two #AMDFirePro you can use them together, you get 32GB of addressible video ram which is astonishing" Adobe on W9100

Adobe: 16GB is 'insane' for a graphics card; multiple 4K 'astonishing'

"It has 16GB of memory - that's just insane! and it supports upto 6 4K UHD displays!" Al from Adobe on #AMDFirePro W9100

"#AMDFirePro 12x hardware speedup for 4K render to H.264 @1080p24" Raja Koduri on Adobe Premiere Pro

#AMDFirePro W9100: big focus on multi-tasking. Can perform graphics and 8 compute tasks at the same time. Previous gen did 3.

#AMDFirePro W9100 designed as much for compute as it is for high-end graphics. 100% focused on OpenCL.

linear performance scaling with dual or quad #AMDFirePro W9100 in luxmark and more

@IanCutress: i'll take four RT @anandtech: AMD Announces FirePro W9100

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7901/amd-announces-firepro-w9100

Speaking of the memory bus, we don’t have the specific width or clockspeeds there either, but we know that AMD has packed W9100 with a ton of memory. 16GB of memory to be precise, which would be as much memory as Hawaii would be able to handle using current generation 8Gb GDDR5 modules. Compared to even W9000, which was relatively large for its time at 6GB, this is huge for a workstation card.

Wow, that's some serious muscle!

 

[Arkaign]

In before 'Oh my god, it's so expensive, is this really what we want to see?'. 'AMD is the devil, charging more than even Titan for a GPU!'.

 

[JDG1980]

This is going to be a loud and overheating card, due to the mediocre stock cooler. Existing FirePro cards don't have AIB versions that I know of, but this one is really going to need it.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

This is going to be a loud and overheating card, due to the mediocre stock cooler. Existing FirePro cards don't have AIB versions that I know of, but this one is really going to need it.

You've tested it then? Post some spreadsheets and graphs with your findings.

 

[piesquared]

Very impressive scaling. Incredible 1/2 rate DPFP too, 2.6 TFLOPS.

 

[caswow]

All this in 435mm². This is truly amazing.

 

[parvadomus]

5.7 SP rate mmm that is interesting. If real this card runs at a higher clock rate than the 290X (or maybe it runs at a lower speed but the 3072 SP story was true?)
PS: it blows away GK110 in DP rate for sure.

 

[96Firebird]

ECC memory?

 

[piesquared]

On demand replay already up.

http://www.media-server.com/m/go/AMDFirePro

 

[JDG1980]

You've tested it then? Post some spreadsheets and graphs with your findings.

The W9100 is a fully-enabled Hawaii GPU, with added FP64 capabilities. Thus the obvious conclusion is that it will run at least as hot as the R9 290X, which is the consumer version of the same silicon. Unless they've done an unannounced move to 20nm, I don't see how it could be otherwise. The cooler looks identical (I suppose it's possible that they changed to a different metal heatsink under the plastic shroud) and we know that this cooler is grossly inadequate for the existing Hawaii cards.

Sapphire is AMD's exclusive global distribution partner for FirePro cards (source). Why didn't they just use the Tri-X cooler for this?

 

[Techhog]

Why is BF4 in that last slide?

 

[96Firebird]

Why is BF4 in that last slide?

Must be targeting gamers, which means the card is way too expensive and is going to hurt the video card market with high prices.

Am I doing this right? :sneaky:

The W9100 is a fully-enabled Hawaii GPU, with added FP64 capabilities. Thus the obvious conclusion is that it will run at least as hot as the R9 290X, which is the consumer version of the same silicon. Unless they've done an unannounced move to 20nm, I don't see how it could be otherwise. The cooler looks identical (I suppose it's possible that they changed to a different metal heatsink under the plastic shroud) and we know that this cooler is grossly inadequate for the existing Hawaii cards.

Sapphire is AMD's exclusive global distribution partner for FirePro cards (source). Why didn't they just use the Tri-X cooler for this?

Very well explained response, although it will probably fall on deaf ears...

A lot of workstations aren't set up for Tri-X type coolers (think rack style), they need blowers to work efficiently. Maybe AMD did some hidden improvements on their blowers?

 

[Erenhardt]

Must be targeting gamers, which means the card is way too expensive and is going to hurt the video card market with high prices.

Am I doing this right? :sneaky:



Very well explained response, although it will probably fall on deaf ears...

A lot of workstations aren't set up for Tri-X type coolers (think rack style), they need blowers to work efficiently. Maybe AMD did some hidden improvements on their blowers?

BF4? Interesting... what is the asking price?

 

[Vesku]

1/2 DP rate is impressive.

 

[chimaxi83]

In before 'Oh my god, it's so expensive, is this really what we want to see?'. 'AMD is the devil, charging more than even Titan for a GPU!'.

This may have been a sensible post had AMD been marketing this card to gamers, at which point everything said in the Titan Z thread related to it's price would have also applied here, and you could have have regaled us again with tales of rich friends and all their watches.

Must be targeting gamers, which means the card is way too expensive and is going to hurt the video card market with high prices.

Am I doing this right? :sneaky:

Of course you are, but you already know that :thumbsup:

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Very well explained response, although it will probably fall on deaf ears...

A lot of workstations aren't set up for Tri-X type coolers (think rack style), they need blowers to work efficiently. Maybe AMD did some hidden improvements on their blowers?

Yeah thread crapping is fine as long as its well thought out.

We don't know if the coolers are different or not. I would be surprised and disappointed if they didn't tweak it somehow after all the negative press it got.

I will still reserve judgment until someone actually tests it.

 

[Silverforce11]

1/2 DP rate is impressive.

Yeah completely surprised! I was thinking it would be 1/4 since the consumer cards have 1/8. But damn, looks like they did actually design Hawaii ground up to be a compute beast first and foremost.

Edit: It would be hilarious if they use the same crap reference cooler as consumer cards.. for something thats going to be priced at $3999.. would be a damn SIN.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Can anyone comment on the memory of all cards in crossfire being addressable? Is that something all workstation cards do or is this something new that people are overlooking? I didn't notice it the first time I read the post.

So 2 w9001's = 32gb of ram total instead of 16 like traditional crossfire. Wonder if gaming cards will see this?

 

[Gloomy]

Can anyone comment on the memory of all cards in crossfire being addressable? Is that something all workstation cards do or is this something new that people are overlooking? I didn't notice it the first time I read the post.

So 2 w9001's = 32gb of ram total instead of 16 like traditional crossfire. Wonder if gaming cards will see this?

When you play games, all cards are rendering the same scene. So all cards need to have access to the same data. This isn't the case elsewhere.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

When you play games, all cards are rendering the same scene. So all cards need to have access to the same data. This isn't the case elsewhere.

So this is only in workstation GPUs? Do they all do that?

 

[PPB]

So this is only in workstation GPUs? Do they all do that?

No, actually in other GPGPU cases it tends to mimick the gaming case.

For example, if I pair 2 GPUs for doing dome GPU rendering via OpenCL or CUDA, your VRAM available wont double, as both GPUs will need to load the same data to render the scene. So you will still be limited by each individual GPU's amount of VRAM.

I dont really think of many scenarios where you can really use the added amount of your multi GPU config on the Adobe suite without limiting yourself in another area, like for example, assigning different workloads to different GPUs and thus not being able to use your total GPU grunt on said individual workloads.

 

[piesquared]

All this in 435mm². This is truly amazing.

Indeed. As you mentioned in another thread, it's incredible that Hawaii @ ~450mm^2 and lower TDP => nvidia's best at ~1100mm^2 for DPFP. And is also more feature rich. GCN really is quite an amazing architecture. It completely outclasses Fermi, Kepler and Maxwell in integer, FP, die size and features. It's level on gaming performance and Hawaii scales much better with bridgeless XDMA.

FirePro 9100 is quite the engineering marvel.

 

[Vesku]

Yeah completely surprised! I was thinking it would be 1/4 since the consumer cards have 1/8. But damn, looks like they did actually design Hawaii ground up to be a compute beast first and foremost.

Edit: It would be hilarious if they use the same crap reference cooler as consumer cards.. for something thats going to be priced at $3999.. would be a damn SIN.

Perhaps they'll use the S10000 cooler: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6445/amd-announces-firepro-s10000

 

[96Firebird]

Perhaps they'll use the S10000 cooler: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6445/amd-announces-firepro-s10000

Would be good to have more options... Maybe a blower type for the multi-card and rack-style configurations, and the open-air cooler for single-card configurations in a tower style workstation.

 

[parvadomus]

Indeed. As you mentioned in another thread, it's incredible that Hawaii @ ~450mm^2 and lower TDP => nvidia's best at ~1100mm^2 for DPFP. And is also more feature rich. GCN really is quite an amazing architecture. It completely outclasses Fermi, Kepler and Maxwell in integer, FP, die size and features. It's level on gaming performance and Hawaii scales much better with bridgeless XDMA.

FirePro 9100 is quite the engineering marvel.

Yep, the only drawback of Hawaii is its transistor density. Had it been lower it could have completely trashed GK110 in any metric.