AMD laptop questions...(gateway and sony show no models with amd!!!)

[Duvie]

What builders have amd laptops...I know and have seen HP and compaq, but who else???

Is there any quadro vid card options or radeon mobility options for amd laptops???

This is for cadd and work operations and I know from my own experience the amd is faster clock to pr rating in cadd operations we run...therefore I want amd chip!!!


I am wondering why all the amd laptops are budget and value systems....I can't seem to get all the options (when I customize) I can on the intel laptops like 6 in 1 card readers, quadro go vid cards, soundblaster sound (which I don't need), DVD burner, and software....

please help....

Edit: I searched all of Gateway's site and no AMD computers at all..No desktop, No notebook, and no refurbs!!!WTF!!!!

 

[GizmoFreak]

Sony has an AMD model or two.

 

[Duvie]

any more ppl?????

 

[Gunbuster]

Q: Which computer manufacturers are offering notebook PCs based on the mobile AMD Athlon XP-M processor 2400+ and 2500+ (?Barton? core)? When will they become available?

A: AMD began shipping the processor in February and we expect OEM availability in March from Fujitsu Siemens in Europe, in April from EPSON DIRECT in Japan, and from HP in the U.S. in the first half of 2003. AMD expects additional availability at a later date.




Q: What manufacturers will offer notebook PCs based on the low-voltage mobile AMD Athlon XP-M processor?

A: We expect availability from Fujitsu PC in the U.S. and from Sharp Corporation and others in Japan. We expect availability in China from Tsing Hua Unisplendor and in Asia-Pacific markets from Twinhead International. AVERATEC is planning systems for the U.S., Europe and Asia-Pacific markets. AMD expects availability by the end of Q2 in all regions.

 

[Swanny]

I think Fujitsu is a pretty big one. I like their laptops anyway.

 

[Macro2]

Gateway went all Intel a couple years ago. Now they are going broke.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Macro2
Gateway went all Intel a couple years ago. Now they are going broke.

They jumped AMDs ship to cut prices and to streamline their whole lineup. They researched how customers buy PCs and found that it was more efficient to have only two processors (Celeron and P4). As far as them going broke: Gateway has been losing money for years, if any thing, they are in a position to finally start making money.

 

[spanky]

doesn't toshiba have amd laptops too?

 

[Duvie]

OK...

Toshiba has no AMD notebooks listed at their site....

Fujitsu has some in their lower lines but customization is really lame and you cannot get any geforce4 go models....value budget crap!!!


Epson I couldn't find laptops....



HP seems to be the best for amd higher line 2400+ chips and above but they rip you with no vid card, soundcard, and other software options....neutered systems!!!:|

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Duvie
OK... Toshiba has no AMD notebooks listed at their site.... Fujitsu has some in their lower lines but customization is really lame and you cannot get any geforce4 go models....value budget crap!!! Epson I couldn't find laptops.... HP seems to be the best for amd higher line 2400+ chips and above but they rip you with no vid card, soundcard, and other software options....neutered systems!!!:|

If you don't mind me asking, why are you so hell bent on getting an AMD laptop? I'm an AMD fanboy, but I would definitly choose quality over a processor when it comes to laptops - HP and Compaq just don't cut it. Get yourself A Gateway, Dell, or any other RELIABLE machine.

 

[fr]

You seem to be going towards great lengths to find an AMD notebook. Just give in to the Intel.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Duvie
OK... Toshiba has no AMD notebooks listed at their site.... Fujitsu has some in their lower lines but customization is really lame and you cannot get any geforce4 go models....value budget crap!!! Epson I couldn't find laptops.... HP seems to be the best for amd higher line 2400+ chips and above but they rip you with no vid card, soundcard, and other software options....neutered systems!!!:|

If you don't mind me asking, why are you so hell bent on getting an AMD laptop? I'm an AMD fanboy, but I would definitly choose quality over a processor when it comes to laptops - HP and Compaq just don't cut it. Get yourself A Gateway, Dell, or any other RELIABLE machine.

I don't mind....All of the office machines of late I have spec'd and built and used athlons cause hands done they perform better then the p4 in cadd apps, and lets face it....even though my company is big (or the parent of my company is big) there is a real conservative effort to keep cost done as we layoff ppl we are being told to cut overhead cost.

I will liekly get a gateway but definitely keep it under 2000.00.....

 

[pukemon]

Sony does have an AMD based notebook. I have one. It's the Vaio PCG-FR130. Link to Sony Style

Interestingly it's on clearance. I wonder if it's being discontinued so fast, since i was just released about a month ago. They are available at most (if not all Best Buy retail locations). Not sure if BB still has the mail in rebate but otherwise, its a pretty good deal, i got mine for $1149 (after a $150 mail in rebate) plus tax.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: fr
You seem to be going towards great lengths to find an AMD notebook. Just give in to the Intel.

I likely will have to as AMD really has lost marketshare as far as I can see....Only 1-1/2 years ago I could have sworn there was a lot more builders carrying amd notebook...How can they survive if they can't even compete in this market as well???

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Duvie OK... Toshiba has no AMD notebooks listed at their site.... Fujitsu has some in their lower lines but customization is really lame and you cannot get any geforce4 go models....value budget crap!!! Epson I couldn't find laptops.... HP seems to be the best for amd higher line 2400+ chips and above but they rip you with no vid card, soundcard, and other software options....neutered systems!!!:|

If you don't mind me asking, why are you so hell bent on getting an AMD laptop? I'm an AMD fanboy, but I would definitly choose quality over a processor when it comes to laptops - HP and Compaq just don't cut it. Get yourself A Gateway, Dell, or any other RELIABLE machine.

I don't mind....All of the office machines of late I have spec'd and built and used athlons cause hands done they perform better then the p4 in cadd apps, and lets face it....even though my company is big (or the parent of my company is big) there is a real conservative effort to keep cost done as we layoff ppl we are being told to cut overhead cost. I will liekly get a gateway but definitely keep it under 2000.00.....

Well, then here's your perfect notebook: http://www.gateway.com/home/prod/hm_600s_proddetail.shtml Just tac on the 3 year warranty for 119 bucks and you're set

And no, I don't work for Gateway (but I did up until last week, my Country store was closed). I can honestly tell you that I really like the 600 series notebook. If you were willing to dish out a little for money, you could go to a 600X with a 2.2ghz processor, 40gb HD, and a 15.7" screen (the quality is MUCH better than the 15") for $1999. Not to mention that you have a 15 day return policy on the laptop - if you're not satisfied, you can return it.

 

[JZilla]

AFAIK all AMD laptops have integrated graphics. But if you need a quadro/gl fire (the ati counterpart) check out Dell.

 

[Creig]

I'm pretty sure that Compaq AMD laptops have separate video controllers based on the Radeon 7500 and 9000. HOWEVER, I would get an Intel laptop if I were you. And this is coming from a guy who owns 5 AMD desktops. I picked up a Compaq 710US 1GHz Duron laptop for my wife about a year ago and we've had nothing but problems whenever doing ANYTHING on the laptop that requires cpu/video intensive applications such as AVI files or 3D games. I was able to track the problem down to insufficient cooling for the CPU/GPU. The CPU itself would be okay at 100% load BY ITSELF, but if you started adding in the heat from the GPU as well the machine would lock up and reboot. It also got incredibly hot on the bottom while playing video files. So much so that my daughter would have to set something on her lap if she wanted to watch AVI/Divx cartoons on long car trips.

After many, MANY phone conversations with Compaq "tech support" and sending the laptop in four times for repairs to try to resolve the problem I insisted they replace the model with one based on an Intel processor which they finally agreed to do. Hopefully it will arrive by the end of the week so I can stress test it this weekend when I get home.

So although I'm a big fan of AMD desktops, I've had a bad experience with an AMD laptop. And this was with a DURON processor, not even a full-blown Athlon which puts out even MORE heat. Some laptop manufacturers don't seem to have a handle on the heat output of the AMD mobile chips yet. This isn't to say other manufacturers haven't factored this in, just that as of last year Compaq was still having problems.

 

[Duvie]

compaq's under the small business section of the hp website does have rabeon mobility 9000 vid cards bundled with them....however is lacks a few of the upgrades I liked in the home system lines...

 

[T9D]

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[DAPUNISHER]

My 900z with XP200+ t-bred mobile is great for what it is and can handle some moderate gaming @800x600x16 with details turned down in MOH and Ghost Recon, it does QIII and UT great@1024x768x32 but with the IGP320M it's designed for the business crowd which is who AMD is wisely targeting. The battery life has been outstanding due to powernow and powerplay, I can watch LOTR and have enough power left to check my e-mail and surf a little before a recharge. AMD and the companies making mobile chipsets to support them haven't addressed power users like yourself yet and I don't think they will anytime soon because it's a small market segment. With the new SFF AMD mobile CPU they are just now starting to turn out small, sleek, lighter notebooks to compete with Intel but now have the Centrino battery life mountain to climb. Anyways that's my take on it *shrugs shoulders*

footnote: the ALI 1535+ they coupled it with in my compackard really strangles memory bandwidth too considering it uses 2100DDR but as I said it great for me. I just crunch SETI, watch movies, surf wirelessly, listen to music, and lightly game it up when out and about.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: xerosleep
I wouldn't even want an AMD in my laptop. They run much hotter than intels. That's very bad for a laptop.

And as far as price is concerned, the higher end intel chips are actually cheaper than AMD chips now. And at a little below the high end they are pretty much equal priced.

Mine's not that bad unless your gaming or crunching SETI then it gets toasty on your knee, the rest of the time the fans never even turn on thanks to PowerNow! and Powerplay BTW, while racing in SETI it stayed on 24/7 crunching for 5weeks solid with zero problems so unless you own a t-bred mobile based AMD notebook reserve judgement and don't believe the over generalizations that everyone makes on the issue My Compaq is well designed and extremely stable and has excellent battery life for the battery it uses and I don't regret buying it last year

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: xerosleep
I wouldn't even want an AMD in my laptop. They run much hotter than intels. That's very bad for a laptop.

I agree. I had an HP Pavillion that had an Athlon 1GHz chip in it and it ran so hot that you wouldn't be able to run it on your lap (if you chose to). It was loud too. Then I got a Toshiba Satellite that had a P4 1.8GHz and it's quiet to the point where you can barely hear it. Definately a lot cooler too. My IBM P3 900MHz laptop is much quieter than the Athlon computer as well as a lot cooler, but not as quiet as the P4.

Could be the overall design of the laptop but from working with other laptops too, I just find generally that Athlon notebooks are hot and louder than Intel based ones.

Sure the performance is slightly better than a similar P4, but the slight performance increase is not as important in my opinion as loudness and heat.

 

[Duvie]

Keep it going...I think the heat concerns are a little old as I hear most of these 2000+,2200+, and even 2400+ chips are not running any hotter then ppl's p4's...I have gotten a few pms on the matter....

Use is just plain cadd...The fact it is so simple and not a multimedia/gamng machine makes me want to keep the price down to better facilitate the ability to upgrade sooner. I can get a really nice amd 2000+ with 9000 ati radeon and 512mb ddr , 40gb hdd, dvd/cdrw drive, extra battery, case and ac power adapter, winxp pro, micro office....all for 1681.00...With that price I can get an external card reader if need be and convince the company to abuy a few versus one loaded dell system as someone else in the company suggested.

 

[T9D]

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[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: xerosleep
Well most the people on hardware boards I go to that have AMD they always run at minimum 5 degree's celcius and usually 10 degree's hotter or more and that's on well ventilated desktop Pc's and their AMD's have these huge aftermarket fans on them that sound like jet planes. With my last upgrade I decided to not go AMD this time since the intel was cheaper and mostly because it ran so much cooler. I'm on a mission to make my PC super quiet so now I have only two case fans on super low rpms and a super slow CPU fan. The p4 chip still runs cool and my PC is super quiet. ......anyway I'm just saying it's something to keep in mind. It could definatly end up being an issue.

I have a 2.4 ghz and that's comparing with all the XP's.

If you are worried about the intel not performing as good in those certain applications then just spend $50 more and get one that is 200 mhz faster than the AMD you want to get. I think it'd be worth it. I'm sure if you shop around though you can find a equal peforming intel at the same price.

That's desktops, PowerNow allows my 2000+ T-bred mobile to scale down to as low 512mhz for web browsing and other undemanding tasks and ramp up to full power when needed. Yes, it's got a hot spot where the rubber cover over the ram bay is when under heavy load but watching movies, surfing wirelessly, and composing letters and such it's no warmer than my wifes Compaq 2100US her company gave her. None of those tasks causes the fans to turn on either so the only sound is the Toshiba HDD being accessed most the time.