AMD is $$$

[TerryMathews]

OMGZ!!!!!!!1! Intel is uber-expensive!!! $2150 for a 2.5GHz processor. RIPOOFFFF!!!!

Seriously, this topic is stupid. Both companies charge top dollar for their high end to subsidize their low end. Has been like this as long as I can remember. AMD isn't doing anything that Intel isn't.

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Wingznut

AMD is currently shipping its 1GHz AMD Athlon processors priced at $1,299 in 1,000 unit quantities.

Link from 2000

(Hope ElFenix doesn't still get irritated that I post this whenever the subject comes up. 😉 )



By the way, I hope you don't really believe that it costs $20 to make a cpu.

read it in one of eds articles..unless amd is selling processors at a loss it's less than $46
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-104-159&depa=0

Arguing with an Intel engineer about CPUs won't get you anywhere but embaressed.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Zebo
He goes on and on in just about every article how it's common knowledge it's $20 a CPU

Well, he's very wrong. The only possibility, which is still wholly inaccurate, is that he's speaking of the silicon itself. But like I said... A 100 sq mm piece of silicon isn't going to do anything but make a pretty good, albeit tiny, mirror. 😉

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: ShadowBlade

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Jeff7181


Supply and demand.

Well of course..

Hey everybody AMD sux. Don't buy them.🙂

youre an idiot, the amd a64 3200+, about $250 significantly outperforms the intel P4 EE 3.2GHz (abt $1025)

He was joking. Was implying everyone should stop buying AMD cpus (demand goes down) so price for them goes down for him.

😛

 

[zakee00]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: ShadowBlade

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Jeff7181


Supply and demand.

Well of course..

Hey everybody AMD sux. Don't buy them.🙂

youre an idiot, the amd a64 3200+, about $250 significantly outperforms the intel P4 EE 3.2GHz (abt $1025)

He was joking. Was implying everyone should stop buying AMD cpus (demand goes down) so price for them goes down for him.

😛

😀

 

[Jeff7181]

Hey... I'm in the market for a mirror that'll fit on the face of a watch... anyone know where I can get one for like... I dunno... $20 or so? 😀

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Wingznut

If all you're concerned about is the wafer, the difference in cost, yields being equal (and AMD has said that's the case with Hammers) the difference in marginal cost (that means how much extra you have to pay to make an additional processor, not counting fixed costs like the cost of the equipment) between the 110 and the 190 is roughly $10-15 per CPU.

Once you get the equipment, CPUs don't cost a lot to make: a figure of $25 for each extra CPU about Barton size is roughly right.

Take particular note of "all you're concerned about is the wafer." Unfortunatly, an unfabricated polished wafer isn't going to do much for you. 😉

He also said the no cache 90nm asian celeron cost $10.. still looking for that one.

He goes on and on in just about every article how it's common knowledge it's $20 a CPU: here's anotherhttp://www.overclockers.com/articles812/index02.asp

Estimates of what it costs to make a CPU these days hovers around $20 a pop

They still need to pay their employees, upkeep on their facilities, plus pay for the fancy box and heatsink.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Zebo
He goes on and on in just about every article how it's common knowledge it's $20 a CPU

Well, he's very wrong. The only possibility, which is still wholly inaccurate, is that he's speaking of the silicon itself. But like I said... A 100 sq mm piece of silicon isn't going to do anything but make a pretty good, albeit tiny, mirror. 😉

I wonder if that cost estimate is including mfg testing/speed-binning, and chip packaging, and then retail packaging/shipping, etc. More than likely not. It might be a useful comparison to look at Intel's bare known-good-die pricing is for some of their smaller CPUs in 1000-unit lots. (Or greater, if KGD order minimums are higher.) Considering that Intel would obviously have to factor in some profit margin on those, it would probably give the closest "true" estimate of CPU core production costs.

My (limited, anecdotal) recollection of the last time that I heard Intel's chip-production costs, somewhere between $35-40, including testing and chip packaging. Any way you slice it though, you know that they are making boatloads, although that requires spending boatloads on advertising and R&D too. Dancing blue men don't work cheap. 😛

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Zebo
This should put to rest the romantic robin hood notions that some AMD fans have with the company, AMD is guilty of same behavior as Intel was when they owned. Jacking the price.

I'm not so sure I care if a company makes money or not. In fact I prefer them to be hanging on by a shoestring so i can get $44 processor.🙂 Now if only ATI would turn in some loses...

I bet Sanders the 3rd agree's with you ZEBO, but this is hector in the driving seat. There is zero point in AMD lowering the price, yes thier market share will increase but there ASP will fall and they make more money from higher ASP'S then selling a load of proc's on the cheap.

AMD would sell ( and in IMO still has a far better Price😛erformance ratio) lower then Intel if they could satisfy the market, right now with only FAB30 they can barely meet demand now, I betcha ya the yeilds are great, but there trying to make money.

AMD are sucking at the moment........But they cant afford to spring up fabs like Intel, soon as FAB 36 is operational FAB 30 will be shut down and converted to Flash.

They dont have the capacity, they dont have the money, they dont have the faith in them by OEM's.

If they did have the capacity, they could meet demand, they would sell more, they could lower the price to sell even more & gain market share at the same time, they could meet the requirements of OEM's and be taken more as more of a big player.

But in the end there worried with making a profit that there using high ASP's to try and break even for Q1 05.

They suck at the moment.....(Not the CPU's)

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

AMD is currently shipping its 1GHz AMD Athlon processors priced at $1,299 in 1,000 unit quantities.

Link from 2000

(Hope ElFenix doesn't still get irritated that I post this whenever the subject comes up. 😉 )



By the way, I hope you don't really believe that it costs $20 to make a cpu.

It costs Intel 25 to make an Northwood..One of your fellow Intel workers in is it D12 ?(the fab not the band) told me

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: clarkey01

Originally posted by: Wingznut

AMD is currently shipping its 1GHz AMD Athlon processors priced at $1,299 in 1,000 unit quantities.

Link from 2000

(Hope ElFenix doesn't still get irritated that I post this whenever the subject comes up. 😉 )



By the way, I hope you don't really believe that it costs $20 to make a cpu.

It costs Intel 25 to make an Northwood..One of your fellow Intel workers in is it D12 ?(the fab not the band) told me

I'm sorry he told you that... He's very incorrect, and probably not including every single cost factor associated.

He, just like Ed, are probably just thinking the materials alone. (Which is still probably inaccurate.)

 

[DAPUNISHER]

😀 Thanks for the entertaining thread brudda. I don't know why, but everytime you complain about how much it burns your Ferengi ass to have to pony up for new toys it puts a smile on my face.

As to the actual costs involved to bring a CPU to market, I will take Wingz word over most others including Ed's any day. He rarely posts unless he knows what he is talking about, and even more rarely strikes me as being disingenuous.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
😀 Thanks for the entertaining thread brudda. I don't know why, but everytime you complain about how much it burns your Ferengi ass to have to pony up for new toys it puts a smile on my face.

As to the actual costs involved to bring a CPU to market, I will take Wingz word over most others including Ed's any day. He rarely posts unless he knows what he is talking about, and even more rarely strikes me as being disingenuous.

Mostly having fun.🙂

But whenever I make a purchase of a liablity, like a computer, the grand champion of depreciation, I like to spend as little as possible, applying price/performance to full effect.. Sometimes I fail, like these ripoff a64's, even the 3000, but I still have fun trying new hardware...that's worth something..🙂

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It is all a matter of perspective, 1 night bar hopping can cost as much as a CPU, which at least is tangible for longer than the hangover and far more enjoyable 😉 If you don't bar hop insert nice dinner with the Mrs. or such.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Offer your services to AMD as a consultant for the enthusiasts market and get your toys for free😀

Then you can praise the value of an FX57:laugh:

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Offer your services to AMD as a consultant for the enthusiasts market and get your toys for free😀

Where do I sign up?!?! I'll wiiling put :lips: to buttock for that gig :laugh:

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
It is all a matter of perspective, 1 night bar hopping can cost as much as a CPU, which at least is tangible for longer than the hangover and far more enjoyable 😉 If you don't bar hop insert nice dinner with the Mrs. or such.

Well you got me there, only to preserve the household.. Think i can overclcok McDonalds to be Red Lobster???

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Mickey D's and Red nobster sux 😛 Of course living where I do *20 minutes from Port Canaveral* we do not lack for good local seafood restaurants either.

 

[Zebo]

😀

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Offer your services to AMD as a consultant for the enthusiasts market and get your toys for free😀

Where do I sign up?!?! I'll wiiling put :lips: to buttock for that gig :laugh:

All you got to do is win stay on top a couple 3dmarks and AMD and the rest will contact you with all sorts of free stuff.🙂

Problem, like any biz is initial outlay, building/buying the triple cascade, buying the four FX's you'll undoubtably fry, the couple 850xtpe etc etc etc.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Offer your services to AMD as a consultant for the enthusiasts market and get your toys for free😀

Where do I sign up?!?! I'll wiiling put :lips: to buttock for that gig :laugh:

All you got to do is win stay on top a couple 3dmarks and AMD and the rest will contact you with all sorts of free stuff.🙂

Problem, like any biz is initial outlay, building/buying the triple cascade, buying the four FX's you'll undoubtably fry, the couple 850xtpe etc etc etc.

I se said the blind man. I have to become a "cyber athlete" :roll: /pro gamer or "competitive benchmarker" to get in on the action. No thanks, I'll stick with being a intardweb peon 🙂

 

[Zebo]

D😀😀 I knew you'd love the idea. LMAO

 

[DragonFire]

I'd like to say to all those saying buy a 3000/3200+ and overlock it to fx-55 speeds, are you forgetting that the fx-55 can be overclocked? Mine is running at 3Ghz right now and I'v seen some running at 3.3-3.6Ghz....

As for not being able to find them anywhere. That is so simple if you keep up with the news. The FX-55 is going to 90mm. Now why should AMD produce both 130mm and 90mm at the same time? Just so places like newegg will have them in stock? That would be stupid on AMD's part. They moved out all the 130mm chips and now they are building up a supply of 90mm chips so they can feed all the retailers waiting them.

 

[zakee00]

Originally posted by: DragonFire
I'd like to say to all those saying buy a 3000/3200+ and overlock it to fx-55 speeds, are you forgetting that the fx-55 can be overclocked? Mine is running at 3Ghz right now and I'v seen some running at 3.3-3.6Ghz....

As for not being able to find them anywhere. That is so simple if you keep up with the news. The FX-55 is going to 90mm. Now why should AMD produce both 130mm and 90mm at the same time? Just so places like newegg will have them in stock? That would be stupid on AMD's part. They moved out all the 130mm chips and now they are building up a supply of 90mm chips so they can feed all the retailers waiting them.

WHY THE "F" HAVENT YOU POSTED A SUPERPI RESULT YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link
😀

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Originally posted by: btbam
whats so great about it to be so damn expsensive...It's "only" 2.6ghz

kids are getting 2.6 out of 3200's and such, right?

People are hitting up near, and maybe over, the 4Ghz range with FX-55's on phase cooling setups. If you want the Ferrari of processors, the FX-55 is it for now.