Amd Is having Yield Problems (Bring it) UPDATED

smashp

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Face it AMD new 64 bit chips largest limiter is ------AMD it self. The Company has not made a profit in the last 8 quarters and can not continue to compete much further.

Right now many Fanboys are claiming these 64bit are going to revolutionize things.

The bottom line is AMD will fail. They no longer have the means to realistically challenge Intel.

Im talking purely finacially.

read these figures


Profitability
Profit Margin (ttm): -55.09%
Operating Margin (ttm): -45.57%




Management Effectiveness
Return on Assets (ttm): -25.09%
Return on Equity (ttm): -50.32%

" A number of motherboard makers complained that they had insufficient supplies of Athlon 64 chips for the launch on the 23rd of September. Several independently told the INQ that AMD had promised 80,000 chips would be available during September but they'd failed to materialise"



http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11862
 

SparkyJJO

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The bottom line is AMD will fail. They no longer have the means to realistically challenge Intel.

??? Ever since Intel came out with the Pentium chip and AMD came out with the K-5 AMD hasn't let go of its hold on the market. True, they had a few not-so-good chips when Intel had a good one (K6-2 vs. Pentium 2) but I don't think that they just "will fail." They can still challenge Intel, they may fall behind occasionally, but so what, Intel fell behind AMD once or twice. And Intel should be thankful that AMD doesn't have a proc that accually runs at 3.0GHz stock speed, or they would be fried.

Just my opinion. ;)
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: Vegetto
OH MY GOD, stevejst has risen with a new forum name! :Q!
And this time around, he's abandoned any pretenses of equivocality :D

Thanks for the warning, smashp, but I'm noticing that the 3200+ A64 remains steadily in-stock all over the place. HP will be selling A64-equipped systems shortly as well. AMD's game plan is to phase in the A64, not suddenly yank the rug out from under Socket A, and I imagine they've got a timetable for doing that. Sit tight! :D
 

smashp

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I hope they continue to Challenge, Just to keep those Quality Intel proc prices LOW.

The bottom line is Intel Drives The market. I Amd cant start Getting a return on investment Soon, They wont be much more.

 

smashp

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HP Huh, Talk to any major IT guys latelly on their opinion of HP. IT department are canning HP Because when you call enterprise level support, you cant tell if your talking to A Tech or the owner of the 7-eleven down the street.
 

MrEgo

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Originally posted by: Vegetto
OH MY GOD, stevejst has risen with a new forum name! :Q!

Ha ha ha.. I thought the EXACT same thing, I just didn't want to say it.


And yes, I'm sure we can all agree that the HP systems and the tech support is garbage, but... a LOT of people buy that garbage.

 

pspada

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Originally posted by: smashp
I hope they continue to Challenge, Just to keep those Quality Intel proc prices LOW.

The bottom line is Intel Drives The market. I Amd cant start Getting a return on investment Soon, They wont be much more.

The bottom line is that Intel would not know the meaning of the word performance if it reared up and bit them.

 

smashp

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And its not Like you need performance in Running a datacenter server or perhaps professional cad development and Video editing.



OHHHH WAIT


Thats where real performance is measured....


Not on some still living with mama 37 year old's "Virtual Overclocked AMD Girlfriend"
 

Originally posted by: pspada
Originally posted by: smashp
I hope they continue to Challenge, Just to keep those Quality Intel proc prices LOW.

The bottom line is Intel Drives The market. I Amd cant start Getting a return on investment Soon, They wont be much more.

The bottom line is that Intel would not know the meaning of the word performance if it reared up and bit them.

Intel has been the performance leader for the last 6 months. You can make your MHz argument all you want. You say that AMD's 3200+ runs just as well as an actual 3200MHz Intel. Your right. Different architectures. Different MHz. Hence the PR rating. It's not that AMD doesn't want to reach those speeds, but can't. Yet. And it was already published that AMD will only plan on shipping 400,000 cpu's next year (2004) so their yield is definately low, or they dont expect many buyers. One or the other.

ENjoy

EDIT: DBZ, dont you dare say I'm crapping on this thread. I have said nothing that was out of line.
Just an afterthought.

THANKS
 

rommelrommel

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Originally posted by: Vegetto
OH MY GOD, stevejst has risen with a new forum name! :Q!

First thing I thought too.

Straight up steve, go eat a dikc, no one cares what you have to say.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: Vegetto
OH MY GOD, stevejst has risen with a new forum name! :Q!
I'm sure the mods will be looking into the matter once they see this thread. The entire style is steve's from content to style of rhetoric. If it's not steve, then there must be a school for trolls that's spittin' them out ;)
 

pspada

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Originally posted by: pspada
Originally posted by: smashp
I hope they continue to Challenge, Just to keep those Quality Intel proc prices LOW.

The bottom line is Intel Drives The market. I Amd cant start Getting a return on investment Soon, They wont be much more.

The bottom line is that Intel would not know the meaning of the word performance if it reared up and bit them.

I'm speaking of straight clockspeed. I will agree that Intel has faster clockspeed chips at this point, and if AMD had a chip that ran at the same clockspeed, it would eat the Intel chip for lunch. But I'll put my AMD whatever runing at say 2 Ghz against an Intel chip running at the same speed, and I'm going to get better performance, and most likely a better price as well.

 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: Vegetto
OH MY GOD, stevejst has risen with a new forum name! :Q!

LOL... exactly what I thought too... but ya know what's funny... I never saw many of you say much about him before his ban...
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: pspada
if AMD had a chip that ran at the same clockspeed, it would eat the Intel chip for lunch.
These "if" questions can go two ways.

(1) If AMD could keep their IPC and run at the same 3 GHz as Intel then yes it would eat Intel for lunch.
(2) If Intel could keep their 3 GHz and just run at the same IPC as AMD then it would eat AMD for lunch.

See how that same argument can support either side? Thus it is a silly pointless argument. The fact is AMD with their design CANNOT at this point keep the same IPC and run at 3 GHz. And Intel CANNOT at this point keep the 3 GHz and achieve AMD's IPC.
 

dguy6789

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amd's pr rating is nearly 100% accurate untill the "c" p4s came out, the 2500 is about as fast as p42.53, 2600 -2.66, the 3000 to the 3.06ghz. they were all right on the block, then 800 fsb changed how fats intels cpus were, you canht blame amd. I would take an athlon xp 3200+ system over a p43.2ghz system any day. The athlon xp still owns in general usage performance and buisisness apps, and the amd 64 is even better. and amd is not having yield problems because they have been overclocked to 2.8ghz 100% stable FYI. So dont say junk about anything untill you know hwat your talking about period.
 

Jeff7181

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AMD WAS having yield problems... but that was months ago when the Opteron was released... I think it's safe to say they have a lot of the problem ironed out.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: Vegetto
OH MY GOD, stevejst has risen with a new forum name! :Q!

LOL... exactly what I thought too... but ya know what's funny... I never saw many of you say much about him before his ban...
I told him flat out he was a troll and his ban was imminent. Anyone who starts these type of flamebait threads is doomed to a short membership here. Threads like this serve no useful purpose and just eat bandwidth, so to the thread starter I say, If you do not intend to help other members or engage in constructive discussions and instead prefer to simply post threads that are negative and inflammatory, stop posting!
 

Accord99

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Originally posted by: dguy6789
The athlon xp still owns in general usage performance and buisisness apps,
Neither of which are CPU limited.

and amd is not having yield problems because they have been overclocked to 2.8ghz 100% stable FYI. So dont say junk about anything untill you know hwat your talking about period.
Which means nothing, since it was done with extreme cooling and voltage increases.
 

KF

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>The bottom line is AMD will fail. They no longer have the means to realistically challenge Intel.

Brilliant trolling, smashp, and only 8 posts! You must have honed your skills elswhere.

>The Company has not made a profit in the last 8 quarters...
The reasons :
1) Poor general economy. You may not have noticed. People who buy Intel chips don't seem to be in an income class that has to concern themselves with such things.

2) Poor sales of all chips in general. Does anybody think even Intel wants to sell CPUs so near to top-of-the-line for under $200?

3) Heavy competition has over-driven CPU performance beyond what the mass market can support. People can buy just about the cheapest computer they can find and it still does everything the average user wants to do. Right now new uses are coming into prominance to take advantage of this windfall. As these uses become commonplace -just because they are now cheap to do- chip performance will begin to lag behind people's desires and chip prices will turn up. The free market is a wonderous thing.

>... and can not continue to compete much further.

Last, but definitely not the least:
4) Enormous investment in the future. AMD is absolutely committed to being a first class company into the forseeable future. They are spending like h*ll on the means to accomplish this. That has major effects on the bottom line. They are not riding the company for what it is worth until bankrupcy is inevitable, as some high- paid corporate execs do. Naive investors have a mistaken notion of what the bottom line means, but there are plenty of experienced investors out there who continue to supply all the vast cash AMD needs. If there were any wiff of insolvency, the money for this would have dried up, because there are plenty of alternative investment opportunities. This means that all those sophisticated bond holders buying AMD junk bonds believe they will get paid. As far as anybody can see, AMD is doing just what investors love: putting their money into capital that should pay a reward for the risk.

BTW, I don't own any AMD investments, at least not that I am aware. My mutual funds may own some AMD; I haven't checked. My only personal interest in AMD is the 4 AMD chips I bought in the last 2 years, each cheaper than the last, but much higher performing. I am like just about all AMD users, who love what they got. Direct investments should be done by people who follow their investments closely and are experienced in evaluating risk.

This forum isn't for explaining investing to people who aren't really interested, and all my posts are already too long, so I'll leave it there.

Except...

I believe AMD will fail. But not within the next ten years. Not before we are completely out of this downturn, have had a boom (hopefully prolonged, like the last) and go into another downturn. Right now it looks like the risky choices AMD made for their next CPU were correct. Even if they are a little early on pressing the SOI technology, investors are future-oriented and AMD will get what they need even if the development might be prolonged. OTOH Intel's strategy bombed. Itanium has the appropriate epithet: Itanic. But Intel's pockets are too deep for the sinking of one little Itanic, or two, to be a major setback. They will put into place alternatives with the P4 label until they figure out how to make an Itanic that floats. I have confidence in Intel.

Some pretty good Intel chips are getting to the point where I'm trying to figure out one economically sensible Intel combo, even going to 3200MHz now. I'd love to have one Intel in my stable, because I haven't had an Intel since they quit making decent Celerons. But I haven't been able to formulate one. It is that calculation on the part of OEMs that insures AMDs immediate continuation.

I recently had an opportunity to spend some time with an Intel system that looked like it had nice specs. An Intel P4 2400 with an Intel motherboard, 533MHz buss, 512M, memory, and 80G 8M cache 7200rpm WD. Slow. I don't get it. I was expecting to be impressed, considering what I have read. My ancient ABIT mobo with 133Mhz memory, 100MHz FSB, and 1400MHz non-XP Athlon is about the same. And my DFI NFII, with 364 MHz (182DDR) memory/FSB and 2000MHz XP (2400+) is hyper-sonic by comparison. I must have been reading too many Intel fanboy posts, distorting my judgement. Either that or you have to be a lot more careful about what you pick in order to get good performance from Intel. I'm sure the Intel system would have had great benchmarks; I just wonder why. IAC I'm feeling rather pleased with myself that I didn't put out the bucks just so I could have one Intel computer.

Have a nice day :)
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: gorillaman
Originally posted by: pspada
Originally posted by: smashp
I hope they continue to Challenge, Just to keep those Quality Intel proc prices LOW.

The bottom line is Intel Drives The market. I Amd cant start Getting a return on investment Soon, They wont be much more.

The bottom line is that Intel would not know the meaning of the word performance if it reared up and bit them.

Intel has been the performance leader for the last 6 months. You can make your MHz argument all you want. You say that AMD's 3200+ runs just as well as an actual 3200MHz Intel. Your right. Different architectures. Different MHz. Hence the PR rating. It's not that AMD doesn't want to reach those speeds, but can't. Yet. And it was already published that AMD will only plan on shipping 400,000 cpu's next year (2004) so their yield is definately low, or they dont expect many buyers. One or the other.

ENjoy

EDIT: DBZ, dont you dare say I'm crapping on this thread. I have said nothing that was out of line.
Just an afterthought.

THANKS

Check your PM, G'man.
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: Accord99
Originally posted by: dguy6789
The athlon xp still owns in general usage performance and buisisness apps,
Neither of which are CPU limited.
I detect someone who hasn't used a fully-armed installation of McAfee VirusScan Enterprise! :D I would be delighted to have an A64 3200+ at work (and I've got a 2500+ now, for perspective).
 

bjc112

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Originally posted by: smashp
Face it AMD new 64 bit chips largest limiter is ------AMD it self. The Company has not made a profit in the last 8 quarters and can not continue to compete much further.

Right now many Fanboys are claiming these 64bit are going to revolutionize things.

The bottom line is AMD will fail. They no longer have the means to realistically challenge Intel.

Im talking purely finacially.

Oh my... Got a link to back up your FUD???

Yes, they have had some losing quarters, they will rebound..It's far from shutting the company down..