AMD in danger of alienating biggest fans

ToBeMe

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Again, hope this isn't a repost.....found the post concerning AMD continuing on overclocking stance..............but this is a different one.............

  • Advanced Micro Devices may well be sticking to its policy on overclocking but the effort required to unlock XP chips stands the risk that the firm could alienate its loyal user base.
    A few years back at the Other Plaice we visited Fab 30 in Dresden and a senior marketing director at AMD made no secret of the fact that the real money for his firm lay in the corporate and business sector.

    At that time he seemed to suggest that the "enthusiasts", "overclockers" and "gamers" were just the useful fuel AMD would use for the booster stage of its flight to Planet Intel.

    But people are beginning to realise that overclocking Intel Northwood processors will now give them more than they expected and because of the "surgery" involved in unlocking XPs may be a better route to go.

    Surgery is always dangerous of course, as Dr Pabst told us this time last year...

    One told the INQUIRER: "If AMD had made unlocked XPs, even at a premium, I would probably have had at least one or two of them now running."

    He suggested that AMD should re-think its policy because previously loyal users were disappointed at its current stance on overclocking.

    "AMD should not let its recent success go to its head," he said. "Intel is hungry and is unlocking its Northwood chips. Now is not the time for AMD to play corporate market schemes to muzzle the end user to put up with the status quo."

    Indeed, there is solid evidence from both Intel roadmaps and from recent appointments made at the chip giant, that it has realised the error of some of its previous ways. For example, after a period where it virtually abandoned the game community, it is now actively wooing developers again, and has hired staff to specifically look at this arena.

    It appears that the pendulum is starting to swing in a different direction, and if AMD is not careful, despite its massive gains over the last 18 months, it could find itself with a stack of disappointed gamers.

    That wouldn't do - these people, along with the "enthusiasts" and "overclockers" - have far more influence in the marketplace than AMD might suspect, it seems to us.

    Now we hear - but can't verify - that all Athlon MPs come straight from the factory with no overclocking stuff added at all... is there really any difference between MPs and XPs apart from the label?
 

CTho9305

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<< edit: nevermind >>


ugh, i was gonna quote you, but youedited as i hit "quote" :p

"chip wannabe"?????? since when does a wannabe produce better products than the "non-wannabe"? just wondering. :p
 

AndyHui

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Alright....where does

<< Intel is hungry and is unlocking its Northwood chips >>

come from?

ALL Intel processors have remained multiplier locked since August 1998.

WHAT unlocked Northwood?
 

ToBeMe

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<<

<< edit: nevermind >>


ugh, i was gonna quote you, but youedited as i hit "quote" :p

"chip wannabe"?????? since when does a wannabe produce better products than the "non-wannabe"? just wondering. :p
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Better???? It was part of the article, but, it was kind of offensive to me too.................
 

ToBeMe

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<< Alright....where does

<< Intel is hungry and is unlocking its Northwood chips >>

come from?

ALL Intel processors have remained multiplier locked since August 1998.

WHAT unlocked Northwood?
>>


Don't know Andy....................saw that and was hoping someone here could shed some light! (Pez..........where are you..........;))
 

AGodspeed

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<< Alright....where does

<< Intel is hungry and is unlocking its Northwood chips >>

come from?

ALL Intel processors have remained multiplier locked since August 1998.

WHAT unlocked Northwood?
>>

That's what I'm wondering. However, I have been hearing that some Northwoods are coming factory unlocked, but so far no solid evidence to back this up.
 

RSMemphis

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Well, hmm, let's start:

All Intel processors are factory multiplier locked. Period. AMD you can still unlock.
The Northwood does extremely well right now because huge gains are possible with FSB adjustments, whereas those seem to run out for the XP.
Why is that? The XP is still running at .18, whereas the Northwood is running at .13 ...
The Throroughbred will take care of some of those problems, and most likely will still be unlockable.

Unlocking a processor should be difficult enough so that if people buy a ready made system, they can be rather sure it is not just an overclocked processor, but simple enough that people can still do it in an hour or so.

PLUS the new packaging is the reason (in my opinion) why they could not go the carbon route again. And the new packaging is definitely a step forward.

Honestly, I find it hard to see how AMD is doing anything bad other than not producing at .13 right now, which is not really easy, as anyone with an interest in physics will be able to confirm. (You have to be far in the ultraviolet, and lenses are not really easy to come by at this wavelength).

 

Pabster

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AndyHui wrote:

"WHAT unlocked Northwood?"

Solid, reliable DDR chipset support (i845-D and SiS 645) as well as cheap, cool cores (Northwood). I mean, $145 right now buys you a retail box 1.6A that is all but guaranteed to do 2.13 (133 FSB), usually with only 1.5v. That's mind blowing and the price/performance ratio is unbeatable.

I don't see Intel unlocking multipliers.
 

AndyHui

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<< Solid, reliable DDR chipset support (i845-D and SiS 645) as well as cheap, cool cores (Northwood). I mean, $145 right now buys you a retail box 1.6A that is all but guaranteed to do 2.13 (133 FSB), usually with only 1.5v. That's mind blowing and the price/performance ratio is unbeatable. >>



I have no problem with that.

I don't see Intel unlocking multipliers either.
 

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One of the things I'd told a AMD representative (pre T bird) was to try selling "overclockers chips"- Cpus specifically designed with the Oc'ers in mind. Make them a different color, so that they'd be easy to spot for warrenty and reseller reasons. This would be a small "run" say 5% of chips max (Hard for some here to imagine- 95%+ of the computers sold are running at stock speed!), but the benefit would amount to cheap "advertising"- The hardcore geeks are constantly asked about "what would you get"- if they are running Athlons, they are more likely to recommend Athlons (if nothing else, jsut to justify their ownership)
 

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<<

<< WHAT unlocked Northwood? >>

That's what I'm wondering. However, I have been hearing that some Northwoods are coming factory unlocked, but so far no solid evidence to back this up.
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Engineering samples often are, and some people base their reviews on that.
Tomshardware, btw, also had a P4 1.4 some time last year that they overclocked both FSB and multiplier.

Retail Northwoods are locked.

Edit: Removed link to unlocking procedure, as it was for old slot Pentiums
 

ToBeMe

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<<

<<

<< WHAT unlocked Northwood? >>

That's what I'm wondering. However, I have been hearing that some Northwoods are coming factory unlocked, but so far no solid evidence to back this up.
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Engineering samples often are, and some people base their reviews on that.
Tomshardware, btw, also had a P4 1.4 some time last year that they overclocked both FSB and multiplier.

Retail Northwoods are locked.

Edit: Removed link to unlocking procedure, as it was for old slot Pentiums
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Yeah, I think most all of us reallize the ES's are unlocked, but, this seems to elude to more than that. I had heard something..........and know someone whom would know.............Just waiting for him to flash on my "buddy list"!;)
 

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<< Argh!!!

Those guys ripped off the FAQ that Wingznut PEZ and I wrote.
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BINGO!!!!;)
 

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Ok bottom line is even if you are an AMD enthusiast such as myself, you have to admit that northwood 1.6a is one insane chip. I mean come on 800mhz overclock and up...Intel is doing something right.

Also...b/c i'm not real big into intel...do they have a dulie board for the northwood that has overclocking features...it would be cool to have 2x 1.6a's @ 2.4ghz
 

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<< Ok bottom line is even if you are an AMD enthusiast such as myself, you have to admit that northwood 1.6a is one insane chip. I mean come on 800mhz overclock and up...Intel is doing something right.

Also...b/c i'm not real big into intel...do they have a dulie board for the northwood that has overclocking features...it would be cool to have 2x 1.6a's @ 2.4ghz
>>

Nope, there aren't any P4 boards that are dual CPU capable except for the i860 boards which cost about $600 and require special 603-pin P4 Xeons. Some people here claim that the regular 478-pin P4's are SMP capable, but so far no real evidence has surfaced conclusively proving so.

My bet is that NW P4's aren't SMP capable (meaning they can't be used in dual CPU configurations). I'd like to be wrong though. :)
 

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<<

<< Ok bottom line is even if you are an AMD enthusiast such as myself, you have to admit that northwood 1.6a is one insane chip. I mean come on 800mhz overclock and up...Intel is doing something right.

Also...b/c i'm not real big into intel...do they have a dulie board for the northwood that has overclocking features...it would be cool to have 2x 1.6a's @ 2.4ghz
>>

Nope, there aren't any P4 boards that are dual CPU capable except for the i860 boards which cost about $600 and require special 603-pin P4 Xeons. Some people here claim that the regular 478-pin P4's are SMP capable, but so far no real evidence has surfaced conclusively proving so.

My bet is that NW P4's aren't SMP capable (meaning they can't be used in dual CPU configurations). I'd like to be wrong though. :)
>>


You know.........I wondered about this too.............There are a few foreign sites which have articles concerning Northwoods & SMP, but, even translated make little sense............:( I had heard of Abit developing a dual P4 board though at Tom's or Aces'...............now you've got me wondering.........;)
 

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<< Intel is hungry and is unlocking its Northwood chips >>

I don't think that's the case but Intel is definitely unnofficially encouraging overclocking. Have you seen the size of those Northwood fan/heatsinks? I couldn't believe it when I unpacked it yesterday. I thought my TBird heatsink was massive but this thing is about 30% bigger! :Q There is no way that a 0.13 um processor needs that kind of cooling so I'm sure that Intel have intentionally bundled such a kickass HSF with their processors to encourage overclocking. Really, those things are totally hardcore cooling solutions.

My 2.0A GHz @ 2.3A GHz system is also much quiter and cooler than my TBird @ 1.333 GHz was and that's still using the leftover case fan that my TBird needed. If I took that out (I doubt I need it) it would be even quieter. Also I'm sure I can go much higher than 2.3 GHz but I haven't pushed it yet.
 

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<< There is no way that a 0.13 um processor needs that kind of cooling so I'm sure that Intel have intentionally bundled such a kickass HSF with their processors to encourage overclocking. >>

LOL, it's purely coincidental. Remember, the P4 is supposed to scale well past 5 GHz. They've just added some built-in capacity for future heat/performance bumps.

Good to hear your Northwood is up and running.
 

sharkeeper

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<< AMD in danger of alienating biggest fans >>



Now that I read the topic it sounds like a severe cooling problem! :)

Cheers!