AMD Heat t-bird vs barton.

[Zarick]

I currently have a 1.2ghz t-bird. I have hesitated greatly going to amd ever again because my biggest problem with this chip seems to be heat. I have tried better hs/fans but I cant seem to get my idle below 48-53c.

I am wondering how the bartons are for heat.

 

[NYHoustonman]

The T-Birds run VERY hot. I have a 1.4 in my 2nd computer that is virtually always above 50, up to around 57C, but my Athlon XP 2400+ (not Barton, but still a good example) stays 42-50 C (and 50 only after a while in game and with hot ambient) with a near silent case.

 

[Soulkeeper]

yeah barton will prob run about the same if not slightly cooler than the T-bird, even tho it is clocked much higher

 

[NokiaDude]

It could be your mobo giving out bad temps. I sold my friend a my old 1.33ghz T-Bird which ran ~50C all the time with a really good Taisol cooler. I was using an Abit KT7A-RAID mobo. He was using an Asus A7N266-VM AA, with an ok Speeze cooler. In the Asus mobo it was running at ~42-45.

 

[pspada]

Those T-bird ran hot enough to fry eggs on. I had a 1.2 that ran just under 70c! The 1.4 gig I have now is not quite a bad, but is generally above 60c.

In comparison, my Barton 2500+ running at 12x166 = 2000Mhz runs between 50c and 53c at load.

Oh, using standard retail hsf in all cases.

 

[Binox]

hmm, with the added heat using barton vs tbred, is it worth getting barton over tbred because of the extra 256k cache?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Binox
hmm, with the added heat using barton vs tbred, is it worth getting barton over tbred because of the extra 256k cache?

There is no added heat. They're the same core, the Barton just has an extra bit of cache throw onto the end of the core. Bartons actually run cooler than an equally clocked T-Bred because the increased core size allows heat to be dissipated through a larger area, thus lowering the operating temperature... however, the same amount of heat is generated at equal clock speeds and voltages.

 

[jjyiz28]

im getting 40c idle right now, a 750 tbird, southern cali, with a speeze 80mm cooler. i guess its the higher clocked tbirds that run hot

 

[Cogman]

I have a 1.4 T-Bird And I have to say they run very hot. It took me three times (even going with a copper heatsink) before I could get one that would run it in resionable temps. While my Duron 600 (so it puts out less heat, but people say that a Tbred puts out even less heat then Durons do) could handle all the fans and resionable temps.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Zarick
I currently have a 1.2ghz t-bird. I have hesitated greatly going to amd ever again because my biggest problem with this chip seems to be heat. I have tried better hs/fans but I cant seem to get my idle below 48-53c.

I am wondering how the bartons are for heat.

so hows the computer running? unstable? lots of crashes? catching stuff on fire?

so it runs hotter... it's no biggie.. my biggest problem is that Intel costs 2x as much, is about 1/2 as fast and runs just as hot as AMD... (not as if heat really matters when the chip runs fine)

just trying to prove a point really..

 

[NEVERwinter]

hehe.. yeah.. tbirds (especially the last 1.33 and 1.4 Ghz ones) are very hot. I got one 1.33GHz on my brother's system, its temp is 55-60 ;D
and... it depends on the temp of your room too... i live in a hot area . heheheh.

 

[Zarick]

yes my system has always been unstable.

I had to buy a new case cause it was getting to hot and shutting down (my mobo has some sort of heat protection thingy).

Secondly I have an asus board.. and I think asus sucks!! I think thats part of the problem. my board is horribly unstable. Its an a7v133.. Im so afraid of getting stuck with another crappy board and a overhot processor again.

 

[NYHoustonman]

I think asus sucks!!

Die.

 

[rocketbubba]

I have a T-Bird 1.4 running in the mid to upper 40's under load (idle around 42ish) with a standard Taisol HSF (small quiet fan - nothing special). When I first installed the cpu the temps were running in the mid to upper 50's under load, so I installed a 92mm fan in the bottom of my case (had to prop the front up a little bit) and lowered the vcore a tad (default was 1.82 - lowered it to 1.70). The result was a full 10C drop - easy as that. A friend of mine has a 2500+ Barton and his runs around 50C. Another guy I know has a 2400+ and his runs about the same. The point is, no matter which cpu you're using the key is good case cooling (including where the case is located in a room and keeping that HSF dust-free) and proper vcore adjustment (provided you don't lower it to the point that it's unstable). BTW, my 1.4 isn't overclocked and I live in the south. Hope this helps.

 

[pspada]

Originally posted by: Zarick
yes my system has always been unstable.

I had to buy a new case cause it was getting to hot and shutting down (my mobo has some sort of heat protection thingy).

Secondly I have an asus board.. and I think asus sucks!! I think thats part of the problem. my board is horribly unstable. Its an a7v133.. Im so afraid of getting stuck with another crappy board and a overhot processor again.

sounds like yer a lucky dewd, having that "heat protection thingy". Or your chip/mobo might well have burnt out from overheating.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Zarick
I currently have a 1.2ghz t-bird. I have hesitated greatly going to amd ever again because my biggest problem with this chip seems to be heat. I have tried better hs/fans but I cant seem to get my idle below 48-53c.

I am wondering how the bartons are for heat.

That doesn't sound bad for a high-end Tbird. I had a 1GHz Tbird running at 1.4GHz with an Alpha 8045 heatsink and a 40CFM fan on it, and that thing was around 51C under load. They put out a LOT of heat.
What kind of case ventilation do you have?

Get yourself an nForce2 motherboard (I like my Epox 8RDA+'s) and a Tbred or Barton processor. Slap one of these buggers on there, and overclock the heck out of it!

 

[Whitedog]

The ticket is a modern cooler... I just installed an SLK-900U on my T-Bred and it runs super cool. If I run the T-Bred at stock speed (2100+... but who does???), then my temps are in the low 30's idle and around 37c at full load.

I'm clocking it at 2.38GHz @ 1.85 volts and it still runs at 41c idle and 49c at full load.

If you think that's too hot then, well... you're not thinking right.

It's not.

 

[JonB]

Zarick, when decide to replace your crappy ASUS A7V133, let me know. My crappy A7V133 runs happily overclocked 24/7 for months at a time and is easily the 2nd most stable board I've ever owned. (the first was a Tyan Tiger with dual Celeron 300a)

I will seriously take that "crap" off your hands when you replace it.

 

[Dustswirl]

Am i seeing confusion between T-Birds and T-Bred?.... where's my beer?

 

[Zarick]

jon.. the second you try to put a 3rd chip of ram into this board you would be pissed to find out it constantly locks up.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I have a Tbrid @ 1.53Ghz and it gets to 46c load with a 28-30c case temp. Idle is around 41c.

I use a GW CAKII38 and have two 75CFM Case fans.

It sounds like a Dyson, but runs cool.

 

[Zarick]

I can at most push my t-bird to 1.33 before I get pretty colors.

 

[Whitedog]

Originally posted by: Dustswirl
Am i seeing confusion between T-Birds and T-Bred?.... where's my beer?

T-Bird = Thunderbird (core) 700 to1400MHz
T-Bred = Thuroughbred (core) something like xp1700+ to 2700+ (I think)

Go get another Beer now.

 

[onlyCOpunk]

Ahh yes, my T-Bird 1.33@1.4 is beginning to become a real pain! Recently it has been running at a very usntable 67 degrees celcius. I also use an Asus A7V133 baord and have no problem thus far except the fan on the mobo hasn't worked for about a year now. But today I got so fed up withthis POS crashing I bought a new CPU, the motherboard probably won't be able to run it at it's full speed because it's an XP 2400+ but that means it won't get as hot (I hope) and when I finally upgrad emy mobo I will have a decent CPU.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Whitedog

Originally posted by: Dustswirl
Am i seeing confusion between T-Birds and T-Bred?.... where's my beer?

T-Bird = Thunderbird (core) 700 to1400MHz
T-Bred = Thoroughbred (core) something like xp1700+ to 2700+ (I think)

Go get another Beer now.

the T-Bred mobile low voltage is made in a 1400+ flavor and the desktop version ended with the 2800+ 333FSB.