AMD getting sued (allegedly) for faulty notebook chips. Source is eweek.com.

[Keysplayr]

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-a...D-Over-Alleged-Faultiy-Notebook-Chips-823744/

I was at ABT and saw them talking about this.

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24162

 

[Arkadrel]

AMD spokesman Michael Silverman, in a statement to Bloomberg, disputed Quanta’s claims, and said that the allegations against the chip maker “are without merit.” Silverman also noted that there have been no other complaints—from Quanta or other systems makers—regarding the chip in question, which he said AMD no longer sells.

Either Quanta, is useing reaaaaally old chips in their laptops..... OR they just took 10years or something before decideing to sue? And apperntly no one else has complained about the chips, that have used them?

“AMD is aware of no other customer reports of the alleged issues with the AMD chip that Quanta used, which AMD no longer sells,” he wrote.

“In fact, Quanta has itself acknowledged to AMD that it used the identical chip in large volumes in a different computer platform that it manufactured for NEC without such issues.”

My guess? some engineers at Quanta, made a design flaw (with that 1 model),
and are trying to pass the blame onto AMD, to recoup costs that way.

from random forum:

Quanta probably thought they could get away with an inferior cooling solution..or perhaps none at all?

The chip in question reportedly is the ATI RS600ME integrated graphics chip. AMD acquired its graphics business when it bought ATI in 2006 for about $5.4 billion.

Wow..... old old chips, back from ATI's days.
They still use those in laptops?

 

[Firestorm007]

“AMD disputes the allegations in Quanta’s complaint and believes they are without merit. AMD is aware of no other customer reports of the alleged issues with the AMD chip that Quanta used, which AMD no longer sells. In fact, Quanta has itself acknowledged to AMD that it used the identical chip in large volumes in a different computer platform that it manufactured for NEC without such issues," said Michael Silvermanm, a corporate spokesman for AMD.

I guess this is news on the eve of the 7970 launch...hmm....


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[Keysplayr]

Not much to do with a 7970 any way you frost it. Totally different market segment and application. No need to draw any parallels I would imagine.

 

[Idontcare]

Bummer for AMD. This will probably settle out of court and we'll never know any of the details, legitimate or not. Either way though this is going to cost, pay the defense lawyers or pay Quanta their shakedown money.

 

[Arkadrel]

Either way though this is going to cost, pay the defense lawyers or pay Quanta their shakedown money.

This... it sounds like a shakedown.

Im almost 100% sure, this is a matter of Quanta, just doing a laptop without sufficient cooling (because they where sure they could make them reeeeeally thin and still keep them cool), and turns out they where wrong. And they are nearing broke or something, and needed more money, and decided to take it out of AMD's hide.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Quanta buddies

Dell Inc
Hewlett-Packard Company
IBM
Intel

Enemies
LG

 

[Vesku]

Without having access to the complaint evidence it does read to me roughly as Quanta trying to soothe NEC's anger by passing the buck to AMD.

 

[zebrax2]

Bummer for AMD. This will probably settle out of court and we'll never know any of the details, legitimate or not. Either way though this is going to cost, pay the defense lawyers or pay Quanta their shakedown money.

^This. More money down the drain which they could have used for R&D

 

[Joseph F]

I can't believe this. It's Quanta's fault for not properly cooling the chips they put in their laptops. AMD has nothing to do with that AFAIK.

 

[blackened23]

I can't believe this. It's Quanta's fault for not properly cooling the chips they put in their laptops. AMD has nothing to do with that AFAIK.

Did they even put a heatsink on it? I guess thats AMD's fault. Yyyyep.

 

[MrK6]

Oh, and once again we must be getting closer to the 9th, another butthurt thread.



Nothing to do with the thread topic, yet meant to be inflammatory.

Please, people, you know what is acceptable and what is not. If all you can say is "This topic is stupid and the fanboys are butthurt", then don't say that. Try to be a little more intelligent and deal with the relevance of the topic (such as "Quanta is obviously wrong because their cooling sucked but they are now shaking down AMD, AMD is completely blameless here").

Moderator jvroig

 

[Keysplayr]

Wondering when a mod would be kind enough to step in with all these off topic "butthurt" chanters? I don't see how someone's butt hurting has anything to do with the thread topic.

 

[MrK6]

Wondering when a mod would be kind enough to step in with all these off topic "butthurt" chanters? I don't see how someone's butt hurting has anything to do with the thread topic.

Aren't you a mod?


He cannot mod VC&G, this has been the case for well over a year or two already, and naturally he wouldn't be moderating his own thread? What is your point other than to rile him up?

Moderator jvroig

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

This... it sounds like a shakedown.

Im almost 100% sure, this is a matter of Quanta, just doing a laptop without sufficient cooling (because they where sure they could make them reeeeeally thin and still keep them cool), and turns out they where wrong. And they are nearing broke or something, and needed more money, and decided to take it out of AMD's hide.

There was a discussion about this on another forum a couple days ago, and we came to 2 possibilities: 1) Quanta screwed up the cooling and is blaming AMD or 2) AMD lied to Quanta regarding the thermal characteristics, and Quanta got burned.

Quanta's issues with the RS600ME chips could have been occurring for years, but it can take time to properly document everything and be prepared to meet burden of proof standards. For all we know issues could have been arising 4 years ago.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Aren't you a mod?

Imagine how you would whine if Keys moderated you in a thread were he is the OP...nice spin though.


It was possible to state this in such a way that would not be a personal attack. Unfortunately, you chose the way that is hostile and inflammatory. Please take your duels against your "enemies" outside of public threads.

Moderator jvroig

 

[zebrax2]

So anyone had any experience with the said chip?

 

[badb0y]

I am pretty sure this was posted on front page of Anandtech lol

 

[tincart]

I have difficulty believing that the ABT link was posted in good faith, given the baiting about Anandtech forum posters contained in that thread.

Did you think this would do anything other than spark a flame-thread, Keys?


Thread-crapping and insults are not acceptable.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[SirPauly]

Simply don't understand! It is an article from Eweek and Bloomberg. And becomes shoot the messenger and personal attacks.

Companies sue other companies; it happens. No big deal in the big picture, imho!

 

[tincart]

Simply don't understand! It is an article from Eweek and Bloomberg. And becomes shoot the messenger and personal attacks.

Companies sue other companies; it happens. No big deal in the big picture, imho!

If the eweek link had been posted alone, without the ABT link, I think that this thread would have looked rather different.


Irrelevant conjecture masquerading as justification for thread-crap, thread-derail, and personal attack. Not acceptable.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[96Firebird]

What happened to this thread... Hopefully it gets cleaned up, I went from reading a discussion about AMD chips frying (I think?) to ABT being the devil. Nice to know the attacks haven't stopped...

Anyways, to get back to the topic at hand, is this similar to what happened with Nvidia and their laptop chop problems a while back? I'm not really familiar with what happened, just that they had to pay out a sum of money and free laptops for the victims followed. Did those original problematic laptops not have sufficient cooling, like some claim happened here? Placing the blame on the laptop designer?

 

[tviceman]

The swift and total derailment in this thread is the perfect example of what this subforum has become.

 

[Arkadrel]

What happened to this thread... Hopefully it gets cleaned up, I went from reading a discussion about AMD chips frying (I think?) to ABT being the devil. Nice to know the attacks haven't stopped...

But thanks for the useless post to further derail the thread...

I thought you asked how it came about? then he answears, you and you say its just futher derailing?




Back to topic:

Nope...

this is about a chip thats like 7years old, back from ATI's days.

Appearntly:

Odd that while they make notebooks for multiple OEM vendors, only one OEM vendor was affected.

So one line of one product from a single OEM. Looks like a bad cooling solution on one design.

^ someone at Quanta’s made a Booboo.... probably ran a risky cooling solution, cut corners to save a few $.

Now their going for a desperate money grab, *hopeing* to pay for it.



Lets say you have a chip, you use a chip, in 20 differnt laptops designs (IMB model, Acer model ect).
It works in 19 of the laptops OEM designs, but a few chips overheat, in the 20th OEM laptop.

Why did it work perfectly for the other 19 but not the 20th?
They went to cheap/lacks on cooling solution, for the 20th laptop design.


I hope this ends up going to court, if AMD is innocent (which it looks like),
and AMD not only wins in count, but counter sues.

 

[96Firebird]

I realize all that, I read the article. But how can this relate to what happened to Nvidia a few years back? Like I said, I don't know much about what happened with that whole thing, I just remember Apple was one of the effected brands and Nvidia won the bid for their products again. Were there many different brands effected, or is that similar to this?

After reading Wikipedia's page on Quanta (reliable, I know ), it seems they make the notebook computers that all the brands just slap their names on? Yes, no?