AMD Gains X86 Processor Market Share on Intel in Q1

[Martimus]

It's mostly Llano and Brazos that account for the gains. Both of those products are great. Maybe not so much Llano anymore since IB launched, though.

The biggest take away I got after reading the AT review was that Llano is still the best mobile processor, and by a fair margin over Ivybridge. I wouldn't purchase any other processor for a laptop, although I would go Ivybridge if I needed to purchase a desk top.

 

[Arkaign]

The biggest take away I got after reading the AT review was that Llano is still the best mobile processor, and by a fair margin over Ivybridge. I wouldn't purchase any other processor for a laptop, although I would go Ivybridge if I needed to purchase a desk top.

Eh, that's mixed though. If you don't do anything needing (mediocre rather than terrible) GPU power, the Llano is just less performance, worse battery life, and a generally crappier chipset (USB/SATA are a bit worse). If you have a discrete GPU + SB/IB, you're way ahead, if you don't game on your laptop, you're way ahead.

The only reason to get Llano is if you have a limited budget and still want to hobble along in games at backed off settings.

 

[pelov]

The battery life is actually pretty damn good for Llano, especially considering you can tweak to your heart's desire with k10stat. The notion that it's worse in battery life mainly stems from the fact that OEMs tend to build cheap laptops around the Llano and as a result the battery life suffers. Generally speaking, though, it's pretty good on battery life.

For those that do use their laptops for gaming the Llano is still the better option, despite IB coming out with a very competitive HD4000. Intel did make it close but I still wouldn't trust their drivers. Arkaign, you can also stick in a GPU in a Llano and it will still outperform the Intel option in graphics due to crossfire so the discrete card claim is overstated

There are definitely some great Llano laptops, though. That Asus model (can't remember which) with the discrete card costs like $450 new and you can buy an aftermarket Asus 1080p screen to add on for like $70. So at just over $500 you've got yourself a quad APU with crossfire and a great 1080p screen. You can't find that with Intel. I've got an SB laptop that I'm happy with but I'd definitely have bought that Asus had I known they would be that good and cheap.

I'm waiting for Trinity now to compare it with IB. We'll see how low Intel prices their i3's as the i5's and i7's don't interest me unless I'm building a desktop.

 

[Rackmountsales]

Priced cheaper than an Athlon X4 and discrete GPU combined, Llano is exceptionally good value for money and easily beats Intels HD3000 integrated graphics in almost every test.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Talking about Llano vs IB
http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/38533-amd-trinity-a10-4600m-benchmarks-revealed/

 

[blckgrffn]

Well, it is a fact. I didn't say 0.5/100 college students are the only ones looking for a laptop for some gaming, or anything like that. I said that from dealing with them, the vast majority that want to game on a PC ask me to recommend them parts to make a desktop PC. In my time there there's only been a single guy that's asked me for what Llano is intended for, and I've dealt with hundred others that simply had the requirements I mentioned some time ago.

Given this, I'm sticking with saying "very few college students care about gaming on the cheap on their laptops" and call it a fact because, again, I'm not using a specific statistic because that would be infactual and because I've dealt with tons of them directly.

You're a college student? You need to roll into a statistics class, stat. Or a business class that includes something about marketing and poll taking.

You're anecdotal evidence is just that. Anyone else using anecdotal evidence in this thread is just as pertinent, because it all carries, essentially the same weight.

ie, it's not fact. It's opinion based on your experience. Statistically speaking, as far as I am concerned, your sample data is pretty horrible. I may be putting words into thilanliyan's mouth, but I daresay we agree.

I am not saying it isn't potentially interesting knowledge, just that using it to bludgeon others (and stating it as fact!) is a serious blow to your credibility and makes it less interesting.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

You're a college student? You need to roll into a statistics class, stat. Or a business class that includes something about marketing and poll taking.

You're anecdotal evidence is just that. Anyone else using anecdotal evidence in this thread is just as pertinent, because it all carries, essentially the same weight.

ie, it's not fact. It's opinion based on your experience. Statistically speaking, as far as I am concerned, your sample data is pretty horrible. I may be putting words into thilanliyan's mouth, but I daresay we agree.

I am not saying it isn't potentially interesting knowledge, just that using it to bludgeon others (and stating it as fact!) is a serious blow to your credibility and makes it less interesting.

Already been discussed ad-nauseum. Do you have anything of actual substance to add to this thread or just personal attacks?

Yes, very few college students care for gaming on the cheap on their laptops. Why does that make you so sensitive all of a sudden? AMD just isn't playing their cards right, and Intel has them cornered.

 

[blckgrffn]

Already been discussed ad-nauseum. Do you have anything of actual substance to add to this thread or just personal attacks?

Yes, very few college students care for gaming on the cheap on their laptops. Why does that make you so sensitive all of a sudden? AMD just isn't playing their cards right, and Intel has them cornered.

I don't even care about the topic. I was talking about your aggressive posting behavior and the issues with the data you use to back your view point.

Your entitled to your opinion, and if you think you are bringing more than that to the table here, it is my stance that you are deluding yourself.

Personal attack? Nope. Consider it an attempt at giving you some friendly advice. You know, like you were having a conversation with other people.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Go on, tell us more.

 

[blckgrffn]

Go on, tell us more.

I'm done The soapbox is lonely.

I've even figured out how to unsubscribe from threads. A watershed moment!

 

[geenp]

I am a college student and most of my friends are gamers. Some of us have consoles, some don't but all of the gamers game on PCs even if they have consoles already. All of us have laptops, none have desktops. Having to bring a computer makes a desktop less useful and as is typical of college students, we don't have the money to have a dedicated gaming PC on top of the laptop. So with that in mind, I don't think it's accurate to say that most gamers use desktops because many of them come from my age group.

I don't see many dedicated gaming laptops around. Most just use regular mid-range laptops to game on. If you look at the Steam stats you'll see that it is the mid range GPUs that are most common.

Many of my gamer friends aren't particularly tech-savvy. They know which numbers to look for on a GPU, they have heard of 3dMark, they know that spending more generally gets you a more powerful PC but that they most stay away from Apple. However, they all look down their nose at integrated GPUs, even the Llanos. I think there's a certain amount of gear snobbery at play here and Llano doesn't cut it for a lot of people even if it is quite suitable to the average laptop gamer.

Not saying that any of this is a perfect representation of the average college user, just my 2c.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I don't even care about the topic. I was talking about your aggressive posting behavior and the issues with the data you use to back your view point.

Your entitled to your opinion, and if you think you are bringing more than that to the table here, it is my stance that you are deluding yourself.

Personal attack? Nope. Consider it an attempt at giving you some friendly advice. You know, like you were having a conversation with other people.

You don't care about the topic yet here you are complaining about things that have already been discussed and adding nothing to the conversation. Interesting, but moving along.

 

[Martimus]

Eh, that's mixed though. If you don't do anything needing (mediocre rather than terrible) GPU power, the Llano is just less performance, worse battery life, and a generally crappier chipset (USB/SATA are a bit worse). If you have a discrete GPU + SB/IB, you're way ahead, if you don't game on your laptop, you're way ahead.

The only reason to get Llano is if you have a limited budget and still want to hobble along in games at backed off settings.

I have a Llano laptop, and it doesn't hobble at any settings with the laptops native resolution. My daughter plays every one of her games at the highest settings. On top of that AMDs chipsets are almost always more feature filled than the Intel equivalent. I will admit that I haven't tried playing games on it without it being plugged in, so it may have poor batery life.

It has a fast enough processor that it does any laptop type task with ease, and a good enough GPU to play any game on the laptops native resolution with ease. I can't say the same for my i3 laptop.

 

[Arkaign]

I have a Llano laptop, and it doesn't hobble at any settings with the laptops native resolution. My daughter plays every one of her games at the highest settings. On top of that AMDs chipsets are almost always more feature filled than the Intel equivalent. I will admit that I haven't tried playing games on it without it being plugged in, so it may have poor batery life.

It has a fast enough processor that it does any laptop type task with ease, and a good enough GPU to play any game on the laptops native resolution with ease. I can't say the same for my i3 laptop.

Hmm. I just built an A8-3850 with an F1A75 mobo & 8GB of patrtiot DDR3-1600. It was for an old customer of mine who doesn't game at all, and didn't want to order online, so I was stuck with the retail TigerDirect store nearby for parts. I messed around with it a bit and put BF3, Mass Effect 3, and The Witcher 2 on it. For the most part it was laggy the point of being unusable for gaming at my monitor's 1920x1200, Mass Effect 3 played well at 1366x768, BF3 was still pretty crappy even at that resolution with the details lowered considerably, and The Witcher 2 was just disgustingly slow.

I don't even have a high end rig to compare it to, my regular box is a 2500k @ 4.5 with a single 2GB 6950 @ stock. My main rig sometimes is borderline with titles at 1920x1200 at higher details, that Llano was just trash in comparison.

I've said it before, Intel IGP is pure garbage, just atrocious. If they quadrupled performance and fixed their drivers, it would be "OK", but still mediocre. Llano IGP/GPU is almost "OK", but still fairly crap. Playing BF3 on medium detail at crappy resolution with a mediocre framerate is .. okay for the price I guess. But I'd hardly call it impressive.

And as for hybrid crossfire, sure, pair a 6670 with a llano, great plan. Something dirt cheap like a 6850 1GB or 460 is just dominantly better, and even they aren't good enough to run many heavier titles at decent details/resolution.

 

[ctsoth]

SHOCK! An enthusiast forum populated by enthusiast gamers is permeated by the belief that consumers are enthusiast gamers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but we are the exception. The average consumer doesn't care which processor can open up Openoffice or Word in .1 seconds vs .2 seconds.. If you take games out the equation, most any processor will get a student with basic office needs through college twice over. Hell, my old iBook g4 with a new battery would do the trick, at least that has a matte screen.... (Doesn't support flash anymore though)

The idea that the consumer is interested in which processor brings the most pwnz is antiquated, and fail from the get go.

AMD has gained, and I predict will continue to gain market share, because they are tailoring their offerings to meet market needs. The real story, is that a llano or even brazos laptop whatever is good enough for most consumers, and trinity will fill the role even better, if trinity delivers as I think it will, I can see its use by apple corporation.

As a side, at least the guy with anecdotal evidence has some experience on the issue, and direct consumer contact.... Nobody knows more about consumer interests than the consumer, and those who pay strict attention to the consumers interests, as AMD appears to bee doing.

I am not sure if I find it irritating or hilarious that most anytime the non king of the hill processors are discussed, one of the most commonly voiced ideas is, "it sucks, it I can't pwn at BF3 on maxres...." The real question, the only real topic for discussion is, can the platform do what it was designed to do, and can it do it well. NOT can said processor pwn bf3, and if not, it clearly sucks.

 

[MaxPayne63]

I doubt the average consumer will know which chip has the best bang for the buck for watching youtube memes or tomfoolery on vanitybook. OEM price points/retailer marketing and, of course, brand recognition has a much higher impact than whether a chip is 3000 [benchmarks] or 3100 or x per dollar.

You're reading way too much in to a 'swing' which is basically noise. Didn't Intel actually gain (or maintain) marketshare for years with that netburst/rambus trash?

 

[Black96ws6]

Link
http://www.pcworld.com/article/254503/amd_gains_x86_processor_market_share_on_intel_in_q1.html



Thoughts?

The world is full of morons?

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[ctsoth]

You're reading way too much in to a 'swing' which is basically noise. Didn't Intel actually gain (or maintain) marketshare for years with that netburst/rambus trash?

I don't know, but it is likely you are correct. That would validate my theory that it doesn't take the most pwn processor ever to gain position in the market place. I don't think AMD's market share will increase because it did increase in the recent past, but because of the future product offerings, and in the case of trinity, and llano, products oems love to use.

Personally I run a llano rig. It fills its role perfectly. If I need something more powerful I will buy something more powerful.