AMD FX 9590 Price Drop on Aria.co.uk

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Abwx

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Ofcourse they should take the money. But it was more a PR stunt than anything. And most likely a huge disaster financially. But PR is cost upfront and return later. And AMD had no intention of any kind of followup on the product. So I dont get the novelty creation of the supposed new segment testing.

Climate? Average summer I guess. Well, as average it can be with the continual climate changes.

Selling at higher prices the same dies as all other FX CPUs
is a disaster financialy.?.
And a huge one , moreover ?..o_O

As for the climate , well , there was some snow in mid may
here with the winter starting last october , literaly , summer
is very fine , though.
 

ShintaiDK

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And in terms of global warming, the carbon footprint of these processors is nearly entirely captured by their energy-intensive production. Whether your CPU burns 200W or 100W over the course of its lifetime is going to pale in comparison to how much fossil fuels had to be burned to mine the ores, refine the silicon, develop the process, power the people who show up to work to build the chips, plus the energy used to build the chips.

I'm all for energy conservation, you know that about me with my Prius and wind-powered electricity and so forth, but I'm not about to feel that a 200W is all that much of a crime against nature versus a 100W processor. The bulk of the crime against nature was committed in the making of the CPU in the first place.

Do you like 100W of extra heat in your office at summer?
 

ShintaiDK

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Selling at higher prices the same dies as all other FX CPUs
is a disaster financialy.?.
And a huge one , moreover ?..o_O

As for the climate , well , there was some snow in mid may
here with the winter starting last october , literaly , summer
is very fine , though.

Lets be honest here. This product is extremely low volume. Its not just the binning process. But the entire chain of making a new product, advertise, distribute, stock and so on.

Just FYI, when I talked about climate in reference. I was talking about indoor climate.
 

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Just FYI, when I talked about climate in reference. I was talking about indoor climate.

Really, this tired argument again?

My plasma TV uses about 600W. Even though it's rated 220W, the fx-9590 is going to be idle or under clocked most of the time and won't even use close to that, unless you are doing something like folding proteins on it 24/7.

The difference between a 9590 and a 15W celeron is minuscule and would never cause a noticeable indoor temperature change, alone.
 

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I remember when Intel was about to release that chip, I had a little bird telling me about it in advance and the ground-breaking (in their industry) efforts they were going through to make sure turn-key 3rd party cooling solutions on the market would be able to reliably and economically handle the heat dissipation requirements.

Internally it took a LOT of engineering time and effort to validate the viability of a product that merely pushed the existing envelope from 130W to 150W.

AMD made no less the effort to ensure their 220W chips would be viable, that the infrastructure was in place to enable such products to work correctly and without serious failure (ala the 1.13GHz P3 situation) should the cooling solutions not be viable (considering the cost-cutting measures AMD knows cooling suppliers are under constant pressure to take)
I agree that being able to get OEMs into building a infrastructure capable of feeding and cooling that 220W TDP monster deserves some recognision. However, when you're doing all that for a product like Piledriver, this is nothing more than a ridiculous waste of resources, because the diminishing returns you get at the very limit of the Frequency/Voltage curve barely justifies the exponential power consumption. So basically, the only thing that AMD did, was mobilize all those OEMs and resources to do some nearly retarded PR stunt for a product no sane guy would seriously consider as a worthy purchase.
Now, if Intel (Or even AMD for that matter) prepared such an infrastructure to release a big Server die, like the Ivy Bridge-E with 12 Cores or the G34 MCM Opterons, and use the headroom to give them near high end Quad Core Frequencies instead of the currently conservative ones, we're in business. For a ridiculous factory overclock like a 5 GHz Piledriver is, hell no.
 

SlowSpyder

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Do you like 100W of extra heat in your office at summer?


My computer room is rather small, about 8' x 9'. In it I have my desktop, a 32" LCD tv, a cable box for the TV, and a huge mess of games, manuals, and random computer parts and tools like any good nerd should have. :p

I can say, durning benching/gaming, my overclocked/overvolted Thuban does noticeably warm the room compared to the rest of the house, but only very slightly. I've never measured it, but maybe I should. But my guess is no more than another degree or two Fahrenheit.

I'm pretty sure my FX 9370 AM3+ build will actually save me quite a bit of power over my current system.
 

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@IDC:

I'm sorry i don't agree with many things.

While i understand you find it exciting they're pushing the envelope - i for one am indifferent unless it gives me more.


I do not want a 500w SKU unless it brings a good damn amount of more absolute performance( This is subjective i know) - something those examples of -E chips to dualcore HW's you listed actaully have.

While they perf\$ might not be best to buy a 3970x - 3970X does offer something NONE of the chips below it can offer(stock anyway) - the highest grade of performance on the market aimed at "gamer\desktop users".

9590 does not - and whatever they do end up pushing yoohoo for that.
But it gives me nothing now - and i can't be excited about something that may or may not happen.

Especially with the given LP focus of Chipzilla.


I dunno man! :) - i think your drinking koolaid in the sense that you actually believe someone at AMD made the 9xxx chips for boundries - and not just as a way to sell goodbinned chips @ much extra cost with a little more validation from AMD's end.

They released 9590 to give AMD fans something to look up to - and to make a killing on each chip sold in the process.
Anything else would be completely irresponsible - and make the BOD you've earlier described as incompetent - seem insane and ready for the asylum :p
 
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You like the way AMD released these processors but I don't agree. It looks like a clear plan to prey on ignorant buyers and fanboys.
That is the price the ignorant pay. You can either accept this and educate yourself, or get ripped off.

Welcome to the world we live in. I'm glad I had the opportunity to give you the red pill.

Another thing you should know about: living on the bleeding edge is an expensive lifestyle. Premium products command premium prices.

For those of us that aren't completely out of the loop, we understand that $900 processors are not the epitome of bang-for-your-buck.

I sincerely apologize for the patronizing, but you need to understand the absurdity of what you are saying. Price simply does not apply to halo products like the GTX Titan, the FX 9590, or i7 extremes.

People that buy those products aren't necessarily stupid either. In the US, the top 1% has 35% of the wealth (Note: I am not intending to turn this into a political discussion -- I am merely including a relevant fact). There are people with cash to burn, and products like the FX 9590, Ferraris, and such exist to cater to that crowd.

There's a saying that applies to these kinds of products: if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it.

I've not had much ammunition to defend AMD these days, as they have been annoyingly quiet as of late (WTB Updated Roadmap -- PST), but they aren't doing anything wrong here. It's a simple game of supply and demand: there seemingly was a demand for $900, 5GHz processors, and they filled it. It appears they overestimated how much demand there was for these products, so the price is being adjusted accordingly.

One final bit: this is just one vendor. Their prices to not reflect AMD's MSRP, nor do they have significant bearing on the market price.
 
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That is the price the ignorant pay. You can either accept this and educate yourself, or get ripped off.

Welcome to the world we live in. I'm glad I had the opportunity to give you the red pill.

Another thing you should know about: living on the bleeding edge is an expensive lifestyle. Premium products command premium prices.

For those of us that aren't completely out of the loop, we understand that $900 processors are not the epitome of bang-for-your-buck.

I sincerely apologize for the patronizing, but you need to understand the absurdity of what you are saying. Price simply does not apply to halo products like the GTX Titan, the FX 9590, or i7 extremes.

People that buy those products aren't necessarily stupid either. In the US, the top 1% has 35% of the wealth (Note: I am not intending to turn this into a political discussion -- I am merely including a relevant fact). There are people with cash to burn, and products like the FX 9590, Ferraris, and such exist to cater to that crowd.

There's a saying that applies to these kinds of products: if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it.

I've not had much ammunition to defend AMD these days, as they have been annoyingly quiet as of late (WTB Updated Roadmap -- PST), but they aren't doing anything wrong here. It's a simple game of supply and demand: there seemingly was a demand for $900, 5GHz processors, and they filled it. It appears they overestimated how much demand there was for these products, so the price is being adjusted accordingly.

One final bit: this is just one vendor. Their prices to not reflect AMD's MSRP, nor do they have significant bearing on the market price.

Halo products like the Titan and the i7 extreme don't just consume more power and cost more money they give you more performance than any other alternative, the 9590 doesn't accomplish this. The 9590 would never be looked at as a piece of crap designed to trick people if it's performance was off the charts to match it's price and power consumption.

AMD didn't release this processor to push boundaries at all, they are just trying to shape the turd they currently have to work with to make some extra money. And for those who didn't research the performance of this product this is ripping them off. I don't agree with the whole "if they didn't research then they deserve to be ripped off" mentality either.

AMD knows this and that is who they're targeting with a processor like this. Not the power consumption boundaries for halo products.
 

Homeles

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Halo products like the Titan and the i7 extreme don't just consume more power and cost more money they give you more performance than any other alternative, the 9590 doesn't accomplish this.
More expensive doesn't always equate to better; don't confuse my statements as claiming such.
AMD didn't release this processor to push boundaries at all
They're pushing the frequency boundary for consumer devices at default clocks. Whether or not that matters to is another subject.
They are just trying to shape the turd they currently have to work with to make some extra money.
And why shouldn't they? It's their job to make money. They aren't a charity.
And for those who didn't research the performance of this product this is ripping them off. I don't agree with the whole "if they didn't research then they deserve to be ripped off" mentality either.
It's the way the world works; sorry to break it to you.
AMD knows this and that is who they're targeting with a processor like this. Not the power consumption boundaries for halo products.
So your problem with it is because it doesn't perform?

You're still missing the point. These products exist for one purpose: feeding one's pride. They exist for the sole reason of making oneself feel like they appear more valuable to others.

Performance is a bonus. Price isn't even relevant.
 

Zucker2k

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Why can't we all just agree that AMD dabbled into overclocking, the are you insane category, with the release of the 9370/9590? The recommended motherboards and cooling were already there; AMD did nothing, except bin the chips. Forumers with boards were already posting simulated scores for the chips! Only thing AMD did was set a higher multiplier for the chips.
 

Homeles

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It's not overclocking if they're factory clocks. There's a lot more that goes into creating these products than simply bumping the multiplier on golden chips. Simulations had to be ran, numbers had to be crunched...

...overclockers don't have to worry about yields, profit, rock-solid stability (in the sense that their company's livelihood depends on it) and longevity.

Yes, you can theoretically take an 8 core FX and bump it up to these clocks. But AMD can't do the same without being dangerously reckless.
 

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It's not overclocking if they're factory clocks. There's a lot more that goes into creating these products than simply bumping the multiplier on golden chips. Simulations had to be ran, numbers had to be crunched...

...overclockers don't have to worry about yields, profit, rock-solid stability (in the sense that their company's livelihood depends on it) and longevity.

Yes, you can theoretically take an 8 core FX and bump it up to these clocks. But AMD can't do the same without being dangerously reckless.
Yet they did! Everything from the recommended hardware, the cooling, and the warranty indicates this. Everyone involved in the creation and sale of these chips, from AMD to the sales clerk, held their collective breaths when you hit that start button on your x264 encoder app. That is reckless. On full load on all cores, these chips are running dangerously close to not only their limits, but so are the boards, the cooling, etc. Please, read the reviews. Very minute to no headroom on the systems running these chips.
 
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More expensive doesn't always equate to better; don't confuse my statements as claiming such.
They're pushing the frequency boundary for consumer devices at default clocks. Whether or not that matters to is another subject.
And why shouldn't they? It's their job to make money. They aren't a charity.
It's the way the world works; sorry to break it to you.
So your problem with it is because it doesn't perform?

You're still missing the point. These products exist for one purpose: feeding one's pride. They exist for the sole reason of making oneself feel like they appear more valuable to others.

Performance is a bonus. Price isn't even relevant.

So one should feel "pride" for paying more to use more power and get lower performance than a hex core from the competitor?

Edit: The whole point IS how it performs. If the performance was far above a hex core, or even quad core in some instances, from intel then the cost and power consumption would be more justifiable. Otherwise, it is just empty boasting about having a 5ghz chip. I could even see more pride in overclocking a normal 8350 to 5ghz based on one's own skill, rather than just buying it that way from the factory.
 
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So one should feel "pride" for paying more to use more power and get lower performance than a hex core from the competitor?
If you feel like buying AMD processors makes you morally superior to those with Intel processors, yes.
Edit: The whole point IS how it performs. If the performance was far above a hex core, or even quad core in some instances, from intel then the cost and power consumption would be more justifiable. Otherwise, it is just empty boasting about having a 5ghz chip. I could even see more pride in overclocking a normal 8350 to 5ghz based on one's own skill, rather than just buying it that way from the factory.
I strongly disagree. The existence of the 9590 is entirely masturbatory, not only for the end user's sake, but AMD's.
 
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If you feel like buying AMD processors makes you morally superior to those with Intel processors, yes.
I strongly disagree. The existence of the 9590 is entirely masturbatory, not only for the end user's sake, but AMD's.

Well as they say: "Whatever turns you on".
 

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If you feel like buying AMD processors makes you morally superior to those with Intel processors, yes.
I strongly disagree. The existence of the 9590 is entirely masturbatory, not only for the end user's sake, but AMD's.


I have to say, owning one of these processors kind of reminds me of a muscle car... there are faster, more efficient cars out there, but this is still a desirable part.

For me its pretty simple. My Thuban is already fast enough for me, for what I do typically. The only time I feel like my CPU is really not up to par is when I compare benches or read forums. But yet in everyday life, it is more than enough. My 9370 (was supposed to be a 9590... thanks Amazon :thumbsdown: ) will be faster and more efficient than what I have already. Sure, an Intel system would be too, maybe even better. But for me, the FX 9xxx processors just fit right for my next build. I hope to finally fire it up next weekend. :)


*edit - Let me explain a little of my mentality, too. I've raced at this track plenty of times. Another back-halved 10 second V8? Who cares... they're a dime a dozen at a track. But what really caught my attention was a guy with a 3.8 V6 f-body running mid 14's. Everyone, including me, were much more interested in seeing this Camaro hit V8 times. My DSM kind of cheats since it has a turbo bigger than your head on it... but still, at the time at least it was quite cool to have a 2.0 liter (litre for my Canadian and European friends :p ) that was running 13's. I think what I'm trying to say is, me getting an Ivy or Haswell and clocking it to mid 4GHz... who cares? My build isn't for efficiency or even best bang for the buck. But as an enthusiast part, I can't wait to start overclocking and make my custom build. I would never recommend one of these CPU's to an average person wanting an average computer. But for an enthusiast, I'm surprised this isn't an exciting part to some of you, even if its not your cup of tea. As always, to each their own. :)
 
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I have to say, owning one of these processors kind of reminds me of a muscle car... there are faster, more efficient cars out there, but this is still a desirable part.

For me its pretty simple. My Thuban is already fast enough for me, for what I do typically. The only time I feel like my CPU is really not up to par is when I compare benches or read forums. But yet in everyday life, it is more than enough. My 9370 (was supposed to be a 9590... thanks Amazon :thumbsdown: ) will be faster and more efficient than what I have already. Sure, an Intel system would be too, maybe even better. But for me, the FX 9xxx processors just fit right for my next build. I hope to finally fire it up next weekend. :)


*edit - Let me explain a little of my mentality, too. I've raced at this track plenty of times. Another back-halved 10 second V8? Who cares... they're a dime a dozen at a track. But what really caught my attention was a guy with a 3.8 V6 f-body running mid 14's. Everyone, including me, were much more interested in seeing this Camaro hit V8 times. My DSM kind of cheats since it has a turbo bigger than your head on it... but still, at the time at least it was quite cool to have a 2.0 liter (litre for my Canadian and European friends :p ) that was running 13's. I think what I'm trying to say is, me getting an Ivy or Haswell and clocking it to mid 4GHz... who cares? My build isn't for efficiency or even best bang for the buck. But as an enthusiast part, I can't wait to start overclocking and make my custom build. I would never recommend one of these CPU's to an average person wanting an average computer. But for an enthusiast, I'm surprised this isn't an exciting part to some of you, even if its not your cup of tea. As always, to each their own. :)

It seems like you know what you want, so as you said, each to his own.

I would disagree with you muscle car analogy though, because they were the fastest, whereas the 9590 isnt really, except in very limited scenarios.
 

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It seems like you know what you want, so as you said, each to his own.

I would disagree with you muscle car analogy though, because they were the fastest, whereas the 9590 isnt really, except in very limited scenarios.

If there were more than one muscle car then not all muscle cars were the fastest, some were slower than the fastest.

Does that then mean those muscle cars which were not the fastest (since there can only be one that is the fastest) were not valid muscle cars or completely undesirable because they were not the absolute fastest in pecking order?
 
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If there were more than one muscle car then not all muscle cars were the fastest, some were slower than the fastest.

Does that then mean those muscle cars which were not the fastest (since there can only be one that is the fastest) were not valid muscle cars or completely undesirable because they were not the absolute fastest in pecking order?

They were the fastest as a group, and they were not 3x the price of cars with better performance. And in general, within the class, paying more got more performance.

In fact, the idea of a muscle car was to make a cheaply priced car with performance that beat cars costing much more, kind of the opposite of the 9350. Now if they would have priced it at 150.00 or even 200.00, that would have been more analogous to the concept of a muscle car: powerful but inefficient, using brute force instead of finesse for performance, and faster than the competition at the same price.

I dont have so much of a problem with the chip per se, but I just dont see how one can defend it at the price. I think that is proven by the precipitous price drops starting to show up.
 

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But for an enthusiast, I'm surprised this isn't an exciting part to some of you, even if its not your cup of tea. As always, to each their own. :)
The pair of chips do have their practical uses, but only for an extremely small niche.

You seem to be interested in torturing that chip as much as possible with electricity, so it appears that you may be a member of that small niche. However, I still do not feel as though the primary purpose of these chips was to cater to the crowd you belong to... I feel as though more people would have purchased these as metaphorical comfort food, and AMD priced them accordingly.
 

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I dont have so much of a problem with the chip per se, but I just dont see how one can defend it at the price. I think that is proven by the precipitous price drops starting to show up.

Ah the price. It's actually a smart move (from a capitalist's point of view, but since we're all capitalists here (free economic system, right?) perhaps we should say it's the best move from the bean counter's point of view).

It's a thing called "capturing the consumer surplus", and I have no idea if I can do the concept justice in a forum post, but gosh darn, I'm gonna try to explain it anyway!

I don't want to come across as patronizing, but since being an economist isn't a pre-req for being an extreme PC enthusiast, I'm going to assume anyone reading my post has no economic background whatsoever (I'm sure though that most of you have at least taken a class or two in college, or have had some practical exposure due to the office, etc)

I. Pricing
So the Sales Division (SD) says, "Hey, there's this ugly slump in sales! We absolutely can't afford this, because we like to eat and all, and so do our families. Do something, Product Division!"

Product Division (PD) says, "We have no new products, although last week Engineering said they could 'make' a new thing with more voltage and higher clocks. It's gonna be pretty hot and consume 1.21 gigawatts from the flux capacitor alone."

SD : "Perfect! We wanted a lower tier, but a higher tier is even better! Halo product! E-peen! Package it as some breakthrough! 5GHz!"

And so we have a new product (well, two, but let's pretend there is only one). Dubbing it the 9590. Now, the problem the Sales Division and Product Division (and their financial / cost accounting division, whatever) has is how to price it.

Let's start at an arbitrary point, say, $1000 dollars for a CPU that according to Engineering will consume 1.21 gigawatts but be around 10-20% faster than the current high-end Piledriver.

According to the data points that Sales and Product has, they'd sell 3 units at $1000. They ask their financial / cost accounting guys: "Hey, can 3 units sold cover the costs of this play and give us bonus monies?"

Numbers are crunched, and bean counters get back to them: No.

Alright, so what to do? Do we abandon the endeavor since the accounting guys said no profits to be had? Hmmm...

Well, what happens if we lower the price to $900? Well, those 3 people who would buy it at $1,000 will definitely still buy it at $900, so we already have at least 3 people as well. Presumably, a few more - who balked at $1,000.00 - would be enticed to buy the thing. So we'd have, say, maybe 10 buyers at $900.00, compared to only 3 at $1,000.00... and so on and so forth until they get a chart like so:

Price : Forecast
$1,000 : 3
$900.00 : 10
$800.00 : 100
$700.00 : 200
$600.00 : 300
$500.00 : 400
$400.00 : 550
$300.00 : 800

(Of course, these figures are all made up for the sake of this free lecture).

If they consider that the lowest price is $300 ($200 is out because that's the 8350, they say), then they'll find that they sell the most units at $300! Eureka! They are all set to offer it at $300 since that'll sell the most units.

II. Maximizing Profits, not Units Sold
Unfortunately, the cost accounting guys tell them that their rationale is a little off. A business isn't interested in maximizing units sold, per se. Rather, they are there to maximize profits - which sometimes means maximizing units sold, sometimes just really jacking up the price.

For this purpose, let's just say that each unit sold takes a good round figure like $150 to create and sell (our simplified Cost of Goods Sold, or COGS). The cost accounting guys show them the profit calculations:

BeanCounterProfit.png


Aha! Although it sells only half the units as the $300 price point, selling for $500 is actually more profitable as per their own forecast that the cost accounting dudes used!

Properly schooled, Sales and Product hurriedly give the thumbs up to a $500 price point.

Perfect, right? What else could possibly be lacking here?

III. Consumer Surplus
Sales and Product hurriedly write their report so the executives can greenlight the project. In a very non-subtle way, they also hint that they prefer their bonus monies - as a result of this sure-fire successful project - in the form of cash, instead of a paid vacation to Hawaii.

The CFO looks through everything, sees the chart pasted above from the bean counters, and grows uneasy. If we offer the product at $500, we have atleast, according to Sales and Product, 300 customers who would have gladly paid more, but now would not have to. He whips out his LibreOffice Calc spreadsheet (AMD has no money for real Excel, right? ;) ) and further tortures himself with just how much money is lost by not offering the product at higher than $500:

CFO_Surplus.png


The CFO doesn't like what he sees. By offering it solely at a $500 price point, the forecast also shows that $63K of potential profit was foregone. This $63K is the total of what consumers would have willingly paid for anyway, but then the product was priced lower than their limit, so they happily kept the change and kept their wallets fatter than expected. The capitalist spirit in the CFO hates that thought, it chilled his spine and made him sweat cold little beads. Gosh darn it, if customers are willing to spend that extra money, then I want to get it, give them to me! He shouts this back to the cost accounting dudes, who then meet with Sales and Products again.

This potential profit ($63K) that is lost is called the consumer surplus. They (consumers / customers) would have spent that money on your product gladly, but due to your set price, they just gladly went home with extra money.

IV. Capturing Consumer Surplus
This is where ridiculous launch prices come in. And if you've been following me so far, you'd understand this goes not just for the 1.21 gigawatt CPU's in question, but for practically every product - which for us notably includes GPUs.

If I were in the CFO's place, using the chart above, I would ask them to launch the product in question at $800, to be able to capture the consumer surplus which amounts to a significant 5-digit figure profit. Then, lower the price point (several steps in several months, or just one step, whatever they decide) to be able to eventually reach $500 price point which is the most profitable price point.

This is just one way that shows capturing consumer surplus.

Now, go back to months or years back, when you may have ranted about ridiculous launch prices of a new line of video cards. Card X launches at a ridiculous $499 (and you then dutifully ranted at the AT comments section how you will never buy Card X for that ridiculous price), then gets price-reduced to $399 after several months, then gets price-reduced again to $349 few months later, before ending with a final cut at $329 ~1.5 years after the launch.

Those price-cuts are a technique to capture consumer surplus. Sure, if they launched at $329 to begin with, you wouldn't have ranted about it. But the bean counters, the dutiful, business-minded capitalists that they are, don't want the potential profits at $499, $399, and $349 to go to waste - after all, while you may have passionately ranted about it, there are others who wouldn't think twice about $499 for Card X. The company wants their money, so they take those first, before taking the monies of those who would only spend $329.

Same here. We can assume that the 9590 was priced at a ridiculous $1000 before offering it at the actual profitable baseline price point of $300, is because they saw it was a waste to just offer it at $300 right off the bat if there are people who would gladly pay the $1000 for it. They want that consumer surplus, and if it indeed exists, it is their duty to get as much of it as possible.


There you go. I've oversimplified some of the concepts, but I hope I got the point across. When we enthusiasts rant about ridiculous prices, what we are really ranting about is businesses being businesses. They are merely capturing the consumer surplus to further increase profit from the baseline "most profitable price point".

Cheers!
 
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