AMD FX 8350 Winning against i5/i7?

[lehtv]

he did gaming and xsplit benchmarks

Aaaand what about the gazillion other comparisons on the internet that show the i5 is faster for gaming by far?

 

[Ferzerp]

Ever notice how we get these silly types of posts in waves...

 

[Sable]

From new users who post one post. Yep. Blatant trololololol trying to trigger an amd/intel war. And the sad thing is it succeeds every time.

 

[Durvelle27]

i hate YouTube Benchmarks so hard to trust

 

[bunnyfubbles]

It's kind of funny looking at this from a historical perspective. I recently dug through a load of old Anandtech Pentium 4 era articles (don't ask), and it was always Intel which excelled on video encoding and failed on gaming compared to AMD's Athlon 64. How times have changed.

except the times really haven't changed; Intel is still superior when it comes to video, its just that BD/Piledriver aren't complete failures for the task and can sometimes keep up

8350 (4.0GHz) vs. 3770K (3.5GHz)

of the 13 tests, AMD only manages 3 wins, and 2 of those by less than 1fps, of which all 3 wins happen to be x264 2nd passes

8320 (3.5GHz) vs. 3770K (3.5GHz)

when clock rates are equalized (I have yet to see a K series SB/IVB chip that couldn't hit 4.2GHz), AMD loses across the board

The only thing making AMD attractive to me at all is the fact that the 8320 is nearly half the price of a 3770K (although that goes out the window if there is a Microcenter involved). I was briefly tempted to pick up an 8320 to play with after seeing how well Piledriver did with x264, however what ultimately stopped me was the fact that it was the results of the 8350 with its 14% clockrate advantage that allowed it to best the 3770K, and since I would just overclock either CPU anyway, I knew it ultimately wouldn't be any better and thus wouldn't really serve any purpose other than to have different hardware to play with.

 

[Sable]

8350 is a great processor. It competes really well with the 2600k which was released 2 years ago. :trolollolololl:

 

[Maximilian]

So in conclusion, FX chips still suck for gaming.

Have to wait until steamroller AMD fans, you got nothing new to show here.

 

[Trm8r]

You probably don't see the irony in your post, do you?

Your post contains more outrage (against whatever) than the posts made by the so-called haters, the same posters for which you so clearly target your contempt.

You, you ,you. That's exactly what I was talking about.

 

[dragantoe]

Aaaand what about the gazillion other comparisons on the internet that show the i5 is faster for gaming by far?

nvm

 

[Shamrock]

The 'strange' thing happens because there is a stubborn few that refuses to believe that all things being equal 3570k is clearly superior for gamers, not just 'might be better'.

Are you saying all things weren't equal in that video?

reading comprehension is fundamental.

the FX-8350 did out perform the the Intel part, while streaming xSplit at the same time. Both were in stock form.

 

[Puppies04]

if you are gaming go with the 8350, I watched that teksyndicate video earlier, the 8350 will basically blow the i5 away in 90% of games and can be overclocked to an extent the i5 will never see (5.5 ghz with water cooling easy), all with lower temps

You got any of that crack left?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Are you saying all things weren't equal in that video?

reading comprehension is fundamental.

the FX-8350 did out perform the the Intel part, while streaming xSplit at the same time. Both were in stock form.

the major problem with the streaming test is that they only tested one game, so unless you're just going to stream crysis warhead there's really no way to conclude that the 8350 is going to be superior for streaming regardless of the game used

they also failed to test any games where the 8350 has really struggled in other reviews, let alone test those games with streaming as well

while the 8300s might make great darkhorse options for people who stream, they still wouldn't necessarily be the best option for games like SC2 or PS2 that can be extremely CPU limited and can only utilize 2 threads

ultimately what an 8300 might truly be good for for anyone concerned about streaming would be to use it with a capture card in a 2nd rig, dedicated to streaming while one games on a 3570K or better

 

[Puppies04]

ultimately what an 8300 might truly be good for for anyone concerned about steaming

Are you considering placing a pan of noodles on the CPU due to it's crazy power draw or was that a freudian slip? (You know, when you say one thing but you mean your mother)

 

[dragantoe]

Are you considering placing a pan of noodles on the CPU due to it's crazy power draw or was that a freudian slip? (You know, when you say one thing but you mean your mother)

if all you are going to do is make fun of people posting then I suggest you leave

 

[Puppies04]

if all you are going to do is make fun of people posting then I suggest you leave

If all you are going to do is comment on me pointing out a mistake in a friendly jovial manner I suggest you go on my ignore list .

Edit. Ah I see you have your knickers in a twist because I pointed out you broke a threads rules in the cases and cooling thread. Grow up please.

P.S Just so you know, your post over there is still incorrect. You didn't actually post any pics (not sure if this was due to your low post count) and btw if you say you joined the forum yesterday but your profile claims 3+ months ago which is confusing...

 

[ElFenix]

So in conclusion, FX chips still suck for gaming.

if you're running at 1080p resolution or higher it seems like it's pretty much a wash:

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/3714/radeon-hd-7970-and-geforce-gtx-680-tested-with-10-cpus

 

[inf64]

if you're running at 1080p resolution or higher it seems like it's pretty much a wash:

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/3714/radeon-hd-7970-and-geforce-gtx-680-tested-with-10-cpus

Yep,another review confirming above:
http://pctuning.tyden.cz/hardware/g...esoru-na-vykon-ve-hrach-od-phenomu-po-core-i7
All CPUs tested with GTX670,2nd fastest single GPU out there. Conclusion with summed up chart is here.

 

[beginner99]

This is probably just one of the rare cases were the FX 8350 makes sense.

i5 is in general better in gaming due to higher IPC / single threaded-performance. And that is so much higher that it can also compete with 8350 in highly multi-threaded workloads. However this workload is different because it's not just the same threads using the same core hence lots of context switches hence bad performance were the on the FX 8350 you can have 2 modules running the game and 2 the encoding process. No context switch needed. So theoretically makes sense. (it's obviously a best-case scenario for a 8350 if the game requires 4 threads)

 

[Rvenger]

This is probably just one of the rare cases were the FX 8350 makes sense.

i5 is in general better in gaming due to higher IPC / single threaded-performance. And that is so much higher that it can also compete with 8350 in highly multi-threaded workloads. However this workload is different because it's not just the same threads using the same core hence lots of context switches hence bad performance were the on the FX 8350 you can have 2 modules running the game and 2 the encoding process. No context switch needed. So theoretically makes sense. (it's obviously a best-case scenario for a 8350 if the game requires 4 threads)

The definition of IPC gets misused way too often. IPC isn't consistent across the board. Another words the IPC of PD isn't slower than IVB/SB for everything. Anything that would require more than 4 threads would begin to bottleneck on an i5. Single threaded performance does not make up for a lost core.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So, was this another 1 post topic poster to stir the pot?

 

[Puppies04]

So, was this another 1 post topic poster to stir the pot?

Yep .

 

[Puppies04]

Sorry repost

 

[FalseChristian]

I think the it all boils down to the fact that AMD finally has a winner with their new FX line-up.

This couldn't be said since the Athlon-64 from many years ago.

If AMD keeps it up they'll get the price-performance crown once again.
I have an i5 2500K because I still think Intel makes superior CPUs and they overclock much higher. I'm at 5GHz using only 1.45v
and at 4.5Ghz It uses a paltry 1.275v.

I haven't had an AMD CPU since my Athon X2 4800+.

 

[Rvenger]

I think the it all boils down to the fact that AMD finally has a winner with their new FX line-up.

This couldn't be said since the Athlon-64 from many years ago.

If AMD keeps it up they'll get the price-performance crown once again.
I have an i5 2500K because I still think Intel makes superior CPUs and they overclock much higher. I'm at 5GHz using only 1.45v
and at 4.5Ghz It uses a paltry 1.275v.

I haven't had an AMD CPU since my Athon X2 4800+.

I am not sure its a winner but its definitely a good CPU and people who buy it like it.

 

[Arkaign]

I am not sure its a winner but its definitely a good CPU and people who buy it like it.

Yes, and there are legitimate reasons for buying the 6300/8300 series CPUs. One must be prepared for the power usage, weakness in single-threaded (this can be somewhat disastrous with horribly coded stuff like SC2), etc, but that's really no problem for an educated consumer. If one doesn't have a MC local, then pricing out an AMD FX build can make sense for the right workload. The MC discounts are nuts though, and make the FX kind of senseless. Example I picked up a 2700K for $159, no rebate, just $159. It runs ice cold (relatively speaking) at 4.8Ghz without crushing it with voltage. But I think most people don't live near a MC, and it gets murkier for someone who might do a lot of video work (Premiere/etc) when the 8300 is in the ballpark of 3570 pricing.

With BD, there was almost zero reason to buy one at all. Terrible power consumption, fairly poor performance in most apps, not good price/performance, and so on. I feel that most of these aspects have improved considerably, and IB for Intel has pretty much stagnated imho (for power users). A 4.5Ghz 3570k is really no better than a 4.8Ghz 2500k (and worse in some ways), and ditto a 4.4Ghz 3770k vs. a 4.8Ghz 2600k. De-lidding and hitting 5ghz with doable temps? Well in that case, IB takes the win