AMD Fires Back - Radeon RX 470 Review

[funks]

AMD needs to revisit this line and not make too many variations which in the end causes supply problems..

RX480 @ 8GB should be priced at 229$ (Up to 1440P gaming, maybe not at max)
RX470 @ 4GB should be priced at 179$ (Up to 1080P gaming, mostly at max settings)
RX460 @ 4GB should be priced at 129$ (Up to 1080P gaming, relaxed settings).

Get rid of the RX480 @ 4GB, and RX470 @ 8GB, it just causes supply problems and weird pricing. The RX470@4GB should be the sweet spot for Console ports given that Microsoft's Scorpio, and Sony NEO will perform about the same. Making the 4GB the default card also means that most games up to 1440P will still work with the Fury Line up (which only has 4GB).

 

[eRacer]

Look at PowerColor Red Devil. 179$ at newegg...

Out of stock and price could change when it comes back.

Price already raised to $199.99 just hours after launch and before it is back in stock.

 

[krumme]

The 2.8x is perf/ TDP. NOT perf/W.

Same mess AMD pulled with kabini/beema etc.

Here are my calculations using AMD's footnote performance numbers.

I mislabeled a number of things but using AMD's performance numbers, 470 is 74% faster than the 270X. For the 470 to be 2.8x as efficient, it must only use 62% the power of the 270X. The 270X uses approximately 125W in games. For the 470 to have 2.8x the perf/W it would need to only consume ~78W. If we instead use perf/TDP the 470 should have a TDP of ~120W, which it does.

Nice work.
Pitcairn is actually a pretty efficient and cost effective card. If a 470 is 74% faster and using more or less the same power with double the ram its imo a really fine progress. Go look at 970 vs 1070. Its not that simple.

I always thought the 2.8 was the usual idiotic ppt pr crap. Insane to expect such progress in the real gaming world.

 

[Enigmoid]

Nice work.
Pitcairn is actually a pretty efficient and cost effective card. If a 470 is 74% faster and using more or less the same power with double the ram its imo a really fine progress. Go look at 970 vs 1070. Its not that simple.

I always thought the 2.8 was the usual idiotic ppt pr crap. Insane to expect such progress in the real gaming world.

Pitcarin was/is amazing. +74% perf/W is nice but far far away from the +180% AMD tried to sell. I think those poor gains are more a testament to how good pitcarin was rather than how poor the 470 is.

Its harder on the Nvidia side to make an accurate measurement. Compared to GK106 its no contest for GP106.

 

[Shmee]

Hmm, what a pity about the prices. I fear the GPU market is moving in the wrong direction, and AMD, Nvidia, their partners, and retailers are all doing shady things.

 

[Ranulf]

Flashbacks to the gtx 960. As someone mentioned up thread, makes the 380/380X look good. I see at least one 380x down to $150 AR.

$239 for the 470 Nitro 8gb version at Newegg...

 

[geoxile]

Hmm, what a pity about the prices. I fear the GPU market is moving in the wrong direction, and AMD, Nvidia, their partners, and retailers are all doing shady things.

Sounds like it's just retailers playing with prices. I don't think they're legally obliged to use MSRP. Case in point, the ridiculous prices during the mining craze.

 

[sirmo]

Flashbacks to the gtx 960. As someone mentioned up thread, makes the 380/380X look good. I see at least one 380x down to $150 AR.

$239 for the 470 Nitro 8gb version at Newegg...

Sapphire is gouging... PowerColor was $180 earlier and it's a nice card.

There is also this one:

I think Sapphire have completely botched this launch.. their Nitro card looks nice, but they downsized the cooler from the 380 Nitro and the cards are overpriced. PowerColor and MSI are the cards to get as it stands right now.

 

[boozzer]

So here's the way I see it. the 470 is a terrible value when weighed against the $200 480's that no longer exist at retail. But when weighed against what actually does exist at retail, the price is in line with what has been happening with the skewing of new gpu pricing all over the spectrum this cycle.

the price is right, at msrp and at inflated prices. I am glad I am not the only one seeing that. as long as the prices are not within 10% of 480, 470 is good to go, very fair prices.

16nm queue is making it hard for both companies.

 

[lyssword]

Man, this is same bullshit as with r290, it was a great card but freakin miners kept price $100 above retail for like a year

 

[boozzer]

Man, this is same bullshit as with r290, it was a great card but freakin miners kept price $100 above retail for like a year

I am willing to bet even without miners, the current supply problems will still exist.

 

[thilanliyan]

This time around I don't think it's all the miner's fault. I think there are supply problems as well.

 

[frozentundra123456]

AMD needs to revisit this line and not make too many variations which in the end causes supply problems..

RX480 @ 8GB should be priced at 229$ (Up to 1440P gaming, maybe not at max)
RX470 @ 4GB should be priced at 179$ (Up to 1080P gaming, mostly at max settings)
RX460 @ 4GB should be priced at 129$ (Up to 1080P gaming, relaxed settings).

Get rid of the RX480 @ 4GB, and RX470 @ 8GB, it just causes supply problems and weird pricing. The RX470@4GB should be the sweet spot for Console ports given that Microsoft's Scorpio, and Sony NEO will perform about the same. Making the 4GB the default card also means that most games up to 1440P will still work with the Fury Line up (which only has 4GB).

I can agree on 470 and 480, but 129.00 is too much for the 460. It has less than half the shaders of the 470. A hundred dollars, as is the suggested price is about right. What would be nice is something between the 470 and 480 at 130 to 140 dollars.

 

[Lyfer]

Price gouge much?

 

[boozzer]

I can agree on 470 and 480, but 129.00 is too much for the 460. It has less than half the shaders of the 470. A hundred dollars, as is the suggested price is about right. What would be nice is something between the 470 and 480 at 130 to 140 dollars.

and what was the 950's launch msrp? or it's current price

 

[frozentundra123456]

What does the 950 have to do with the 4xx line up? I have a HD7770 that I would like to upgrade, but I dont want to spend more than 150.00. Clearly, it will be a long time, if ever, before the 470 reaches that price, and the 460 just does not seem like enough of an upgrade. Something in between at 130 to 140 would be ideal.

 

[guskline]

Even though it is the lower end, I'm happy AMD released this card. Waiting for the RX 460 to fill out the line up. If only Vega would have been sooner.

 

[Joepublic2]

Man, this is same bullshit as with r290, it was a great card but freakin miners kept price $100 above retail for like a year

On the other hand, miners are probably a big part of the reason that AMD is still in business at the moment. The 480 is a mining monster for scrypt based currencies and not by accident.

 

[boozzer]

What does the 950 have to do with the 4xx line up? I have a HD7770 that I would like to upgrade, but I dont want to spend more than 150.00. Clearly, it will be a long time, if ever, before the 470 reaches that price, and the 460 just does not seem like enough of an upgrade. Something in between at 130 to 140 would be ideal.

they are in direct competition with each other. it is why amd priced 460 at it's current price. that is why.

I honestly didn't think I needed to point out something so in your face obvious.

 

[R0H1T]

What does the 950 have to do with the 4xx line up? I have a HD7770 that I would like to upgrade, but I dont want to spend more than 150.00. Clearly, it will be a long time, if ever, before the 470 reaches that price, and the 460 just does not seem like enough of an upgrade. Something in between at 130 to 140 would be ideal.

I think it's fair to say that till the time 1050(Ti?) launches we'll not see the retailers abate on their usual gouging habits, that are becoming all too frequent these days. The competition from Nvidia will ensure that the 460 & 470 can sell at certain price points, where gouging will not be possible. Also the supply issues, from both sides of the aisle, make it hard to predict when the prices will actually settle down, if at all in the near future.

 

[philipma1957]

On the other hand, miners are probably a big part of the reason that AMD is still in business at the moment. The 480 is a mining monster for scrypt based currencies and not by accident.

yep I have 9 of them mining as I type.

and amd needs miners.

gamers only need wait a bit for the coin to tank and guys like me will sell

the gear.
I earned enough money on my 8 rx 480s to have paid 1 off already. Which means I can sell it at a good discount to a gamer.

 

[Newbian]

yep I have 9 of them mining as I type.

and amd needs miners.

gamers only need wait a bit for the coin to tank and guys like me will sell

the gear.
I earned enough money on my 8 rx 480s to have paid 1 off already. Which means I can sell it at a good discount to a gamer.

The problem is amd suffers in the long run because the miners resell their cards when the thing ends for a decent reduction as the mass selling of them causes it and few people buy them for what amd wants to sell them at.

Not to mention if their cards are impossible to find for gamers who are their target it forces people to buy nvidia cards and join them and we saw this being a issue during bitcoining.

The only people that profit are the resellers like newegg and such as they can increase the cost of the cards during the initial craze and make more money from the cards then normal.

 

[Cookie Monster]

The problem is amd suffers in the long run because the miners resell their cards when the thing ends for a decent reduction as the mass selling of them causes it and few people buy them for what amd wants to sell them at.

Not to mention if their cards are impossible to find for gamers who are their target it forces people to buy nvidia cards and join them and we saw this being a issue during bitcoining.

The only people that profit are the resellers like newegg and such as they can increase the cost of the cards during the initial craze and make more money from the cards then normal.

Im not sure what % of the buyers are miners only but i think your right. You want gamers buying these products. You want to associate these products with gamers and games. If the product is good, generally it will be recommended to fellow gamers etc. New games are always around the corner and you want to build that reputation/brand image.

But if miners are buying alot of them, this may have a negative effect in the long run. I think they're making a mistake in not crippling/limiting mining performance like nVIDIA has done.

 

[.vodka]

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29840469&postcount=1436

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigSadFace
So when is more stock expected? 5th as I as told today or 12th as someone else has reported?


Around 50 units this Friday or next Monday, then more later that week.

AMD also inform me over 100k units of RX 480 are shipping to AIB's in the next 10-12 days, so I think by middle of August (2 weeks), we shall be in a much better position and would of cleared the majority of backorders.

That sounds good, another 100k cards around should help out, at least for the RX480 if I'm reading correctly.

 

[Newbian]

Im not sure what % of the buyers are miners only but i think your right. You want gamers buying these products. You want to associate these products with gamers and games. If the product is good, generally it will be recommended to fellow gamers etc. New games are always around the corner and you want to build that reputation/brand image.

But if miners are buying alot of them, this may have a negative effect in the long run. I think they're making a mistake in not crippling/limiting mining performance like nVIDIA has done.

Not to mention this doesn't help the devs of games a lot when they see a large percentage of people are nvidia as people cannot get amd cards to play it with and causes them to code for nvidia's side more as we see in some cases.