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Sales wise, the 5x00 series has pretty much handed Nvidia a giant can of whoop ass. There just really isn't a whole lot Nvidia can do about it now, except learn lessons from how the past 9 months played out.
 

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Sales wise, the 5x00 series has pretty much handed Nvidia a giant can of whoop ass. There just really isn't a whole lot Nvidia can do about it now, except learn lessons from how the past 9 months played out.


I don't think ATI/AMD is done whooping ass yet. I think the party just started. If you look at the sucess ATI had it only shows that the R&D cycles they are on work. So that siad they should be at least 1 generation ahead of Nvidia right now. While nvidia was scrambling ATI was developing new products.
 

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yeah, um, about that generational gap... did you hear that gf is having trouble with 32nm right now? yeah, um, it looks like intel is the only company in the world that has sorted that one out yet. tsmc can't even get 40nm figured out, who knows WHEN they'll jump down to 32/28. could nvidia end up using (gulp) intel for 32nm and beyond? What would happen to amd's process advantage if THAT happened? Honestly, I think that it's a good thing for all of us right now that jhh wouldn't let intel buy nvidia a few years ago. Well, good for everyone who's not a focus group member of course.
 

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yeah, um, about that generational gap... did you hear that gf is having trouble with 32nm right now? yeah, um, it looks like intel is the only company in the world that has sorted that one out yet. tsmc can't even get 40nm figured out, who knows WHEN they'll jump down to 32/28. could nvidia end up using (gulp) intel for 32nm and beyond? What would happen to amd's process advantage if THAT happened? Honestly, I think that it's a good thing for all of us right now that jhh wouldn't let intel buy nvidia a few years ago. Well, good for everyone who's not a focus group member of course.

it'll get figured out.
 

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yeah, um, about that generational gap... did you hear that gf is having trouble with 32nm right now? yeah, um, it looks like intel is the only company in the world that has sorted that one out yet. tsmc can't even get 40nm figured out, who knows WHEN they'll jump down to 32/28. could nvidia end up using (gulp) intel for 32nm and beyond? What would happen to amd's process advantage if THAT happened? Honestly, I think that it's a good thing for all of us right now that jhh wouldn't let intel buy nvidia a few years ago. Well, good for everyone who's not a focus group member of course.

Does that effect Gpu's ? I thought that was a totally different animal?
I was reading the transcripts from AMD and nothing was said about gpu's.
 

Keysplayr

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it'll get figured out.

Yes of course. Eventually almost everything gets figured out. Just a matter of how long it takes. In the business of making semi's, the shoe can change who is wearing it quite often.
Intel seems to be the only one immune..... for now.
 

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For this generation, nv was apparently late to party and missed a good bit. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the cheaper cards like 240/250 are selling well for whatever reason (stalling gfx improvement in games, poor economy, nvidia brand recognition, etc etc)
 

bryanW1995

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Does that effect Gpu's ? I thought that was a totally different animal?
I was reading the transcripts from AMD and nothing was said about gpu's.

true, gpu's are different, but gf has never done gpu's before and they are having issues on their area of expertise. It is only natural to assume that gf's 32 nm cpu issues combined with tsmc's difficulties make it at least more likely that they will also have issues with their first gpus. Intel, otoh, doesn't seem to be having many problems right now at all other than how to say "67% gross margin" 10 times fast while drinking bottles of dom.
 

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Yes of course. Eventually almost everything gets figured out. Just a matter of how long it takes. In the business of making semi's, the shoe can change who is wearing it quite often.
Intel seems to be the only one immune..... for now.

Not really. Where are the 10Ghz CPU's that Intel was supposed to produce? It will be very difficult to get to 20nm and beyond. I don't believe we will see more than two die shrinks in the next five years for CPU/GPU.
 

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true, gpu's are different, but gf has never done gpu's before and they are having issues on their area of expertise. It is only natural to assume that gf's 32 nm cpu issues combined with tsmc's difficulties make it at least more likely that they will also have issues with their first gpus. Intel, otoh, doesn't seem to be having many problems right now at all other than how to say "67% gross margin" 10 times fast while drinking bottles of dom.

Makes sense. hmmm

I think wreckage just got a boner. :)

J/K wreckage.
 

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true, gpu's are different, but gf has never done gpu's before and they are having issues on their area of expertise. It is only natural to assume that gf's 32 nm cpu issues combined with tsmc's difficulties make it at least more likely that they will also have issues with their first gpus. Intel, otoh, doesn't seem to be having many problems right now at all other than how to say "67% gross margin" 10 times fast while drinking bottles of dom.


I had purchased new intel machine with 32nm parts. both flaky. returned them and went with phenom 2's. Not the norm I know but I'd bet they have process issues. They just hide it better.

everybody builds lemons.

Most likely the issue is scrap parts more then anything. I bet they can make the chips. The yields are most likely poor.
 

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Quote from the AMD transcripts.

"In the second half of the year, we expect GPU demand to remain healthy and supply constraints to ease. We remain on track to bolster our GPU leadership with the introduction of our second generation DX11 graphics products, later this year. "

Seems theres no gpu delay but they are having supply problems? Mabe thats why they are not lowering prices?
Mabe Nvidia is taking all the 40nm production? I remember reading a thread on that.
 

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I had purchased new intel machine with 32nm parts. both flaky. returned them and went with phenom 2's. Not the norm I know but I'd bet they have process issues. They just hide it better.

everybody builds lemons.

Most likely the issue is scrap parts more then anything. I bet they can make the chips. The yields are most likely poor.

...right
 

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Yep and its not the first time. I got a few bad athalons a few years back.

shit happens and I have been around computers since the apple 2e days.

Longer then alot of the forum members have been alive.

I bounce back and forth between intel and AMD. last go round was intel. this go around is AMD. looking at the AMD lineup. I may stick with AMD for another cycle.
 

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Seems theres no gpu delay but they are having supply problems? Mabe thats why they are not lowering prices?
Mabe Nvidia is taking all the 40nm production? I remember reading a thread on that.

AMD/ATI missed a window of opportunity to "flood to zone" with aggressively priced dx11 parts and significantly increase market share. Was it really because Nvidia reserved all the excess 40nm production? Talks about a desperate, rear-guard type of action, yet...it sort of worked didn't it...in terms of being the most effective Nvidia could do during such a vunerable period?

Yet it was AMD that decided to outsource and share fab space with Nvidia. Seems like a huge management blunder.
 
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yeah, um, about that generational gap... did you hear that gf is having trouble with 32nm right now? yeah, um, it looks like intel is the only company in the world that has sorted that one out yet. tsmc can't even get 40nm figured out, who knows WHEN they'll jump down to 32/28. could nvidia end up using (gulp) intel for 32nm and beyond? What would happen to amd's process advantage if THAT happened? Honestly, I think that it's a good thing for all of us right now that jhh wouldn't let intel buy nvidia a few years ago. Well, good for everyone who's not a focus group member of course.

nvidia and intel hate each other.

see the chipset licensing wars and video IP wars.
 

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AMD/ATI missed a window of opportunity to "flood to zone" with aggressively priced dx11 parts and significantly increase market share. Was it really because Nvidia reserved all the excess 40nm production? Talks about a desperate, rear-guard type of action, yet...it sort of worked didn't it...in terms of being the most effective Nvidia could do during such a vunerable period?

Yet it was AMD that decided to outsource and share fab space with Nvidia. Seems like a huge management blunder.

You do realise there really isn't anyone else that can build the chips right?
 

Acanthus

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AMD/ATI missed a window of opportunity to "flood to zone" with aggressively priced dx11 parts and significantly increase market share. Was it really because Nvidia reserved all the excess 40nm production? Talks about a desperate, rear-guard type of action, yet...it sort of worked didn't it...in terms of being the most effective Nvidia could do during such a vunerable period?

Yet it was AMD that decided to outsource and share fab space with Nvidia. Seems like a huge management blunder.

AMD has a stake in Global Foundries, but they are not the same entity anymore.

If NV wants GF as a partner, GF would be insane to turn them away. That is a very large customer.
 

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true, gpu's are different, but gf has never done gpu's before and they are having issues on their area of expertise. It is only natural to assume that gf's 32 nm cpu issues combined with tsmc's difficulties make it at least more likely that they will also have issues with their first gpus. Intel, otoh, doesn't seem to be having many problems right now at all other than how to say "67% gross margin" 10 times fast while drinking bottles of dom.

Does this mean you're switching to Intel GPUs? :eek::D
 

Lonyo

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AMD/ATI missed a window of opportunity to "flood to zone" with aggressively priced dx11 parts and significantly increase market share. Was it really because Nvidia reserved all the excess 40nm production? Talks about a desperate, rear-guard type of action, yet...it sort of worked didn't it...in terms of being the most effective Nvidia could do during such a vunerable period?

Yet it was AMD that decided to outsource and share fab space with Nvidia. Seems like a huge management blunder.

1) They were already sharing fab space with NV since forever, because of the nature of the product and of fabs.
1b) GF/AMDs fabs can't make GPUs because the GPUs aren't designed for the process.

2) The only way to flood the market with aggressive pricing would be at the cost of profit. AMD launched aggressively priced parts in many ways, and then RAISED prices because they obviously felt they could get away with it.
2b) AMD and NV have both been supply constrained as the TSMC 40nm process ramps up, so they only way they could gain marketshare as a % would be to produce only smaller die products and forgo the high end (due to the supply constraints).

3) NV have been producing 40nm chips since long before the GTX480. The GTX480 was the first DX11 40nm chip, and their largest 40nm chip, but the volume market had been supplied with 40nm GPUs from NV for a long time in the form of lower end DX10 chips.
3b) NV basically switched their production from the low end chips to the higher end DX11 parts when they were finally getting ready for release, so they didn't have the supply reserved, they were actually just switching over their already booked supply.

4) NV ships more units than ATI anyway so it's not surprising they would have a greater preference at TSMC since they are a larger customer, ATI also has the opportunity to move to GF going forwards (when GF have an appropriate manufacturing process), so it would harm TSMC in the long run to alienate NV, while with ATI it's not (IMO) such a big problem, and they were only really maintaining the status quo anyway.

5) The increase in 40nm production (with new NV 40nm cards with larger dies) comes also as TSMC are getting more wafers produced and with better yields, so NV could indeed probably book that part ahead of time in anticipation of future products.
Both companies talked about supply constrains easing as the year went on and TSMC managed to ramp up their 40nm production.
 

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I don't think ATI/AMD is done whooping ass yet. I think the party just started. If you look at the sucess ATI had it only shows that the R&D cycles they are on work. So that siad they should be at least 1 generation ahead of Nvidia right now. While nvidia was scrambling ATI was developing new products.

Well, that's what everyone though with G80 and G92. ATI was so far behind, but look where we're at now. Things can change drastically from one generation to the next. Don't kid yourself, NV has been working on their next generation too.

If you haven't read this yet, you might find it interesting: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2679/1

It's an article about how ATI began development on the RV770 (4-series) that launched in 2008 all the way back in 2005.
 

TuxDave

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Not really. Where are the 10Ghz CPU's that Intel was supposed to produce? It will be very difficult to get to 20nm and beyond. I don't believe we will see more than two die shrinks in the next five years for CPU/GPU.

That's what they said about 1um. That's what they said about 90nm. I guess if you keep calling it, eventually you'll be right.