AMD failure rate is higher than Nvidia's

[Gloomy]

I had almost managed to get over the headaches from bumpgate. Almost.

 

[Meghan54]

Excellent link. Thanks!

WTH happened with Sapphire :hmm:

No, it's not unless you completely understand the context those stats represent.

1.) They're NOT failure rates, they're customer returns to an etailer.

2.) Understand that in the EU, consumer protection laws are much more liberal for the consumer than anything you'll find in the U.S. The customer has 1 year to return any purchased item for any reason....such as "Hmmm, I bought a Titan 6 months ago and now the 290X was released. I think I'll return the Titan, use the refund that the retailer is required to give me to buy the 290X and pocket the difference and have the fastest card to boot."

3.) There is no testing of any of those parts/returned goods done by that etialer. The returned goods are simply sent back to the manufacturer or distributor who then is required, by EU law, to refund the etailer his cost of that particular good.

As a comparison, what good would it do you to see Amazon's return rate for anything, esp. from Prime members? That's about as close to as liberal a return policy as the EU consumers have, and Amazon only allows returns for 30 days. That's what you're seeing with that link.....one lone etailer listing their RMA's under a very different set of consumer protection laws, laws that have no relevance to U.S. consumers or etailers.


This has been explained over and over, yet people keep linking that list as it was gospel for DOA/broken computer parts, which it is NOT. Shintai knows this, but refuses to accept these facts.

You ought to research EU consumer protection laws....eye opening and then you'll weep, wishing the U.S. had anything near what the Euros have.

 

[AtenRa]

No, it's not unless you completely understand the context those stats represent.

1.) They're NOT failure rates, they're customer returns to an etailer.

2.) Understand that in the EU, consumer protection laws are much more liberal for the consumer than anything you'll find in the U.S. The customer has 1 year to return any purchased item for any reason....such as "Hmmm, I bought a Titan 6 months ago and now the 290X was released. I think I'll return the Titan, use the refund that the retailer is required to give me to buy the 290X and pocket the difference and have the fastest card to boot."

3.) There is no testing of any of those parts/returned goods done by that etialer. The returned goods are simply sent back to the manufacturer or distributor who then is required, by EU law, to refund the etailer his cost of that particular good.

As a comparison, what good would it do you to see Amazon's return rate for anything, esp. from Prime members? That's about as close to as liberal a return policy as the EU consumers have, and Amazon only allows returns for 30 days. That's what you're seeing with that link.....one lone etailer listing their RMA's under a very different set of consumer protection laws, laws that have no relevance to U.S. consumers or etailers.


This has been explained over and over, yet people keep linking that list as it was gospel for DOA/broken computer parts, which it is NOT. Shintai knows this, but refuses to accept these facts.

You ought to research EU consumer protection laws....eye opening and then you'll weep, wishing the U.S. had anything near what the Euros have.

Where in the EU you can return a purchased product after one year for whatever other reasons except a legitimate RMA ???

 

[Kenmitch]

I've had two DOA cards in my lifetime with both of them being Aopen 6600GT's.

 

[exar333]

I don't see a single post in this thread where anyone has said this.

10+ anecdotal posts. Read between the lines...

Total troll thread anyways. If this was a scientific survey, then by all means discuss with some actual content. Otherwise, this is just a conversation piece, nothing more.

 

[krumme]

I have not encounterd one single nv 8600-8800gt series card that lasted but all failed. My one blew out. But my neighbor put his in the owen for 4 times before it gave up. Nice trick btw gave us some good laughing.

 

[Barfo]

I don't see a single post in this thread where anyone has said this.

I never had an AMD card fail, this this article is FUD

 

[rgallant]

did not read the thread as it did not list any gtx570's or gtx 590's per 2 high end cards on the evga forums known to be rma's kings
also the poster must have issues posting on the first new card releases in 2 years.

 

[chimaxi83]

I like how the OP posts a damage control thread then disappears. Not surprised, considering his post history.

 

[Leyawiin]

Don't they usually come out of the same factories (OEM contracted or company owned like ASUS)? How great of a difference could there be?

 

[Rvenger]

Locked voltage is what gave Nvidia better reliability. People overvolt the crap out of radeons and they don't have the software to throttle like Nvidia does.

 

[MrK6]

Hey, here comes damage control from NVIDIA since a kick-ass AMD card was released. Can we get this thread locked/merged with the other one?

 

[Meghan54]

Where in the EU you can return a purchased product after one year for whatever other reasons except a legitimate RMA ???

Oh come on and grow up. You know as well as the next person all someone has to do is claim the product is not "conforming" to what was expected when purchased. Does not have to be "broken", just not acting/working as expected, which leaves the door wide the heck open for abuse/misuse of the law. And you're right, the right of return is two years, not one. And you're further correct that the really, really wide open door essentially exists for only 6 months.

Under EU law, if a product you buy does not conform to the agreement you made with the seller at the time of purchase, you can take it back and have it repaired or replaced. Alternatively, you can ask for a price reduction, or a complete refund of your money. This applies for up to two years after you take delivery of the product. And for the first six months after delivery, the burden of proof is on the seller – not the consumer – to prove that the product sold conformed with the contract of sale.

ec.europa.eu/consumers/cons_info/10principles/en.pdf

Wherever you buy goods in the EU, you have two years to request repairs or replacement if they turn out to be faulty or not as advertised. If a product cannot be repaired or replaced within a reasonable time or without inconvenience, you may request a refund or price reduction.


The two-year guarantee period starts as soon as your goods are delivered, and you must inform the seller of the fault within two months of discovering it.



The seller is always liable, and in some EU countries you also have the right to request a remedy from the producer.

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm




And all it takes is someone wanting to return something, for whatever reason, to come up with something to validate the return. For instance, take gpu's, since we're in the video card forum. Complain of artifacting or coil whine in use, but only occasionally. The gpu is then not performing properly, or conforming to use. The gpu gets returned.



Now, you'll have a difficult time in convincing me that that French etailer, or most any other establishment, spends time diagnosing a problem like coil whine or artifacting in a gpu, like the manufacturer would do. They'd all have to have darned deep diagnostic support services and knowledgeable support staff to do such....and I seriously doubt any of them invest the amount of money, time, staff, equipment or space to do proper diagnostics on the wide variety of products sold. And it'd have to be much more than simply plugging in a gpu or stick of RAM or plugging in a power supply and seeing if it turns on/boots up/etc., etc. to demand the customer take the "broken" item back.


Heck, I've seen many, many EU residents bragging on numerous forums around about "renting" gpu's, power supplies, etc., to use while they save enough $$ to get what they really want. So, they buy cheaper item, use it for a while, claim something viable for an RMA, ask for refund/replacement for a new, faster upgraded item.



And the etailer really doesn't mind so much as EU law requires the manufacturer/distributor to accept the returned items the etailer/retailer has returned to them.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Locked voltage is what gave Nvidia better reliability. People overvolt the crap out of radeons and they don't have the software to throttle like Nvidia does.

I came in to post this. Nvidia's restrictions on over clocking suck for enthusiasts but are sure good when it comes time to pay boutique builders to slander your competition.

Warning issued for thread crapping.
-- stahlhart

 

[stahlhart]

And, on that note...
-- stahlhart