"AMD: EVGA wanted to sell ATI cards"

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Wreckage
If anyone out there truly thinks that a card released one month ago will be the savior of an entire company....I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

You could have said the same thing when the 8800 was released, and yet that one single product has been the NV gravy train for over two years.

NV had the uncontested GPU crown until the release of the 4 series. This is no longer the case.

Of course NV did better sales wise when they were #1 for a multitude of reasons. And ATI did worse when they were #2. There's no reason to expect the #2 GPU vendor (which is, at this point, nv) to outperform the #1 vendor (that being ATI) in the future.

Also look forward a few months to Nehalem. The chipsets for this platform support ATI multi-gpu natively. NV requries an additional chip and circuitry to support their multi-GPU solution. Several board makers have announced they're not even going to bother with the bridge chips.

I dont think anything ATi has is "uncontested". The 4850 is the sweet spot for them, until the 9800GTX+ is more price competitive. And even then there are advantages to the GTX+ that may be worth it to some over the 4850.

The 4870 is assailed by a 260 when it is OC'd, and a 9800GX2 if you are into the multi-gpu thing.

The 4870X2 will take the overall crown, but NV will still have the most powerful GPU, along with more on the way, just like ATi.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I dont think anything ATi has is "uncontested". The 4850 is the sweet spot for them, until the 9800GTX+ is more price competitive. And even then there are advantages to the GTX+ that may be worth it to some over the 4850.

The 4870 is assailed by a 260 when it is OC'd, and a 9800GX2 if you are into the multi-gpu thing.

Well, maybe a 260 can keep up while overclocked, but it can't when you overclock the 4870 as well. In fact, it is even faster than a stock 280, although I'm sure it loses to an overclocked 280. As well it should since the 4870 is over $100 cheaper.

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The 4870X2 will take the overall crown, but NV will still have the most powerful GPU, along with more on the way, just like ATi.

Which GPUs does NV still have on the way? AFAIK, the only thing they have coming is a die-shrink. That's not really a new GPU unless they're substantially tweaking the core at the same time.

 

[unr3al]

No two ways about it, AMD caught nVidia with their pants down. The question here remains whether they are going to strike back effectively? With die shrinks they could lower power consumption even more (the colossal amount of shaders and transistors make AMDs cards very power hungry considering the 55nm process) and that could be an important point. But I look at raw performance to make my final judgement.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I suppose we'll just have to wait for some new numbers, don't we Wreckage and Creig?

Oh I agree. We will need to see the Q3 numbers. Although the Q2 numbers do show a large gap between AMD and NVIDIA.

I also think that NVIDIA's price drop helped them gain parity with AMD's sales.

And Wreckage, if you really think AMD is a sinking ship, you don't really understand business.

You don't have to take my word on it.
http://www.fool.com/investing/...l-stocks-to-avoid.aspx

Nvidia had to drop prices so their cards were competitive with AMD/ATI 48xx,you can thank AMD/ATI for keeping Nvidia on their toes and making Nvidia drop prices so Nvidia users could get better value for money on a few models.

I don't think AMD/ATI are in serious trouble yet and if it ever happens you can bet it'll be a very sad day for all GAMERS regardless of cards they use,competition we need,Nvidia on their own without competition?..I hate to think what will happen.

Now if only Matrox could somehow get back into the gaming industry,if anything we need more competition.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Well here's the thread ender
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I don't get it. How come there are more posts?

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
The plot thickens :

Addendum 5th August 2008: EVGA has made an official statement about this matter refuting the claim made by AMD that EVGA approached it, instead EVGA claims it to be the other way around:

"AMD Channel Senior Account Manager on West Coast (of USA) had requested me to arrange a meeting with our president and CEO in April 2007, however we declined the request in lieu of our business decision.

We continue to be very satisfied with our business relationship with NVIDIA, and have no plans to build any graphics cards beyond NVIDIA.".

April 2007? Are they still talking about the same proposals/discussions that AMD was referring to, or is that a separate incident? The AMD rep made a reference to their partners sticking with them through thick and thin, which would indicate that he's referring to a more recent development, since it's only been recently that they've had anything really decent to offer.

this does give credence to the revenge theory... AMD approached eVGA in past, turned down. eVGA approaches AMD now, turned down.

And both look like silly bickering children for publishing those respective stories.

 

[batmang]

ATi's current partners are pretty solid IMO. Visontek has a lifetime warranty. HIS, Power Color, Sapphire, Diamond, MSI, Gigabyte and Asus all have 3 year warranties. Those are good warranties. As for service, I know from experience that MSI, Sapphire and Visiontek has good customer service. Adding eVGA would be great but I don't think they are needed. I'm glad ATi decided to turn the offer down. It shows partner AND customer loyalty. Why didn't eVGA offer a partnership with the 2900 or 3800 series? Now that the 4800's have proven their competitiveness eVGA all the sudden wants in? Meh.

 

[taltamir]

most of those are a 1 year warranty, not 3.
And the problem is that people complain about them not honoring said warranty. or charging excessive fees. (shipping on warranty item + application fee of warranty item).

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: taltamir
most of those are a 1 year warranty, not 3.
And the problem is that people complain about them not honoring said warranty. or charging excessive fees. (shipping on warranty item + application fee of warranty item).

I still got an old Sapphire 9500 card going strong,customer support varies not only between company in question but country too,its not hard to find a video card with decent warranty(3 years) ,most people especially gamers normally replace their cards within this period anyway,as to EVGA well to be honest I don't know if its a good or bad thing, would EVGA be loyal to AMD like its other partners?

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: taltamir
And both look like silly bickering children for publishing those respective stories.

Really, pretty much the whole graphics industry looks like a bunch of immature kiddies right now.

- You've got an AMD guy telling the press that he thinks Nvidia's David Kirk is "full of sh*t" (they asked that website to change the wording a couple days later, to remove the "sh*t" part).

- You've got Nvidia's CEO threatening to open up a can of whoop a**.

- You've got one of Intel's top execs (Gelsinger) waving off Nvidia's efforts as a "footnote in history".

- You've got XFX putting a picture of Alpha Dog on their product boxes, where the mutt's slobber/drool has EVGA written in it.

It's like the gaming scene is rubbing off on some of them -- I half expected to see an article where one of them starts calling their competitors "n00bs" and threatening to "pwn" them. You don't often see this kind of immaturity with vendors of other hardware (ok, admittedly there was that ASUS vs Gigabyte thing, which was sort of an anamoly).

 

[taltamir]

hahaha. I really wouldn't be too surprised at n00b / pwn calls.
You remeber how the sony playstation started? sony was going to provide optical drives to nintento, bickering and backstabbing ensued, and the sony went ahead and made an entire console called the play station to get back at nintendo...

From what I heard it was because sony announced their partnership with nintendo, which was supposed to be secret, and that insulted sony. But wikipedia now claims that Nintendo CEO found out that the contract essentially handed full control over every single title released on CD rom format to sony. Considering it completely unacceptable and a big trick to slide in, he secretly canceled the contract and went to make a secret alliance with Philips instead.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
It's like the gaming scene is rubbing off on some of them -- I half expected to see an article where one of them starts calling their competitors "n00bs" and threatening to "pwn" them. You don't often see this kind of immaturity with vendors of other hardware (ok, admittedly there was that ASUS vs Gigabyte thing, which was sort of an anamoly).

You forgot the EVGA FTW series.