AMD Develops NUC-Like Systems with Partners [XBL]

[galego]

Will be based in Kabini APUs

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/..._Develops_NUC_Like_Systems_with_Partners.html

 

[Kneedragger]

Looking forward to seeing this even if its underpowered compared to the NUC.

 

[ElFenix]

Will be based in Kabini APUs

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/..._Develops_NUC_Like_Systems_with_Partners.html

i like how one troll has made 3 of the 4 comments to that post

 

[VirtualLarry]

Sweet. I would much rather have an AMD APU in a NUC-like box, than an Intel with IGP. Well, I think so. I was slightly disappointed with my E-350 rig(s).

 

[galego]

First shown at Computex. It is called BRIX and includes several APUs: A4-5000, E3-3000, E1-2500 and E1-2100

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7011/computex-2013-kabini-in-a-brix-haswell-too

 

[strata8]

No A6-5200? That's annoying.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Computex is coming up
almost forgot about that

 

[aigomorla]

No A6-5200? That's annoying.

the point in these boxes are minimal...

The A6 would put too much strain on the board and power supply brick.
Or make the power supply brick just too massive.

 

[crashtestdummy]

I'm intrigued. If the Kabini models are priced low enough (say, $150), it might make a really nice streaming/playback-oriented HTPC.

 

[aigomorla]

it might make a really nice streaming/playback-oriented HTPC.

really?

im thinking people are gonna run around and build hackinstation 4's.... or possibly... hackbox one more so then use it as a HTPC with windows.

:sneaky:

 

[Sunburn74]

I would love one of these as an HTPC. Will keep an eye on it

 

[galego]

No A6-5200? That's annoying.

The A6-5200 is rated at 25W. The original Intel NUC i3 (17W) had thermal problems.

Gygabyte will using APUs up to a maximum of 15W: A4-5000

 

[tential]

Gigabyte is working with intel and AMD on these. The intel boxes though are using extremely expensive processors though. I'm not really looking to spend more than $400, built on a box like this. Best used for HTPC type stuff.

The NUC is better IMO than the Gigabyte intel box. I'm sure the AMD based box will be extremely reasonable though. I'll wait for that.

 

[cyrusfox]

The A6-5200 is rated at 25W. The original Intel NUC i3 (17W) had thermal problems.

Gygabyte will using APUs up to a maximum of 15W: A4-5000

The intel version is a two chip solution, the i3 (17W) and the panther point chipset (6.3W). Kabini is one chip with all those features. They could easily fit an A6-5200 (25W) in there. Its pretty comparable to the two chip solution.

I just want an itx board, I sure wish they were on the market already, I can buy Haswell, but I am still waiting for kabini, I guess with Sony and Microsoft using up every chip they can for next gen consoles, supply is going to be constrained for a little while.

 

[RU482]

You'd think Shuttle would be all over this stuff

 

[galego]

The intel version is a two chip solution, the i3 (17W) and the panther point chipset (6.3W). Kabini is one chip with all those features. They could easily fit an A6-5200 (25W) in there. Its pretty comparable to the two chip solution.

I just want an itx board, I sure wish they were on the market already, I can buy Haswell, but I am still waiting for kabini, I guess with Sony and Microsoft using up every chip they can for next gen consoles, supply is going to be constrained for a little while.

NUC had heat problems with a total of 23W. It seems reasonable Gigabyte is not using a 25W APU.

 

[Vesku]

First shown at Computex. It is called BRIX and includes several APUs: A4-5000, E3-3000, E1-2500 and E1-2100

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7011/computex-2013-kabini-in-a-brix-haswell-too

"Clearly the ideal chip in this form factor would be a GT3e/Crystallwell part."

Uh, not based on the TDP of announced GT3e parts. Should have plugged the next version of Atom instead. ;p

I'd be wary of buying a unit like this with anything over a ~15W TDP APU, as has been mentioned Intel's first try at the NUC has heat issues.

 

[Abwx]

Continuous dissipation of such boxes is barely 10W ,
hence the lowish power APUs as only acceptable
solution , numbers in the 15-20W range as in the NUCs
are already overkill.

 

[galego]

"Clearly the ideal chip in this form factor would be a GT3e/Crystallwell part."

Uh, not based on the TDP of announced GT3e parts. Should have plugged the next version of Atom instead. ;p

I'd be wary of buying a unit like this with anything over a ~15W TDP APU, as has been mentioned Intel's first try at the NUC has heat issues.

Yes. As Nvidia claims:

OEMs don’t seem all that impressed with GT3e, as it’s power hungry and expensive. We expect only a tiny number of notebooks will come with GT3e.

If Gigabyte rejected Haswell GT3e for its notebooks how would be using it in something smaller and with poor dissipation capabilities like its new BRICK?

Continuous dissipation of such boxes is barely 10W ,
hence the lowish power APUs as only acceptable
solution , numbers in the 15-20W range as in the NUCs
are already overkill.

I don't know any 15W NUC. Without considering chipset the minimum I know is already rated at 17W. I think NUCs are well over 21W.

 

[aigomorla]

NUC had heat problems with a total of 23W. It seems reasonable Gigabyte is not using a 25W APU.

no they didnt.

they had a problem with the wifi module heating up after long useage, which caused the mSATA to freeze up.
Intel fixed this by not allowing the fan to ramp lower the 30% even on idle usage with wifi on.

I have a NUC... there great little boxes for HTPC.
I dont have any problems yet minus trying to get h.264 to play correctly due to the 30fps bug that thing has with audio sync.

Anyhow that htpc got replaced to by the zotac ID88.
Screw video card acceleration on H.264 .... the zotac has a 2.8 turbo 3.6 processor which can handle h.264 on the processor itself and not depend on the HD4000.

The case frame on the zotac feels a lot cheapish, however these boxes are VESA mounted behind the TV directly, so no one ever see's them again after install.

 

[sm625]

I hope I can get one for $50 like one of those celeron 847 deals.

 

[aigomorla]

I hope I can get one for $50 like one of those celeron 847 deals.

a entire system barebone system?

keep dreaming... 50 dollars wont even get u the processor, or the APU unit as a stand alone.

Expect minimum 250... with a top price of arround 400.
NUC's are also going up in price once the haswell refresh comes out.

 

[fusion238]

"Clearly the ideal chip in this form factor would be a GT3e/Crystallwell part."

Uh, not based on the TDP of announced GT3e parts. Should have plugged the next version of Atom instead. ;p

I'd be wary of buying a unit like this with anything over a ~15W TDP APU, as has been mentioned Intel's first try at the NUC has heat issues.

Computerbase reviewer indicates Intel Haswell has heat problems:

Our test of the new " Haswell "processors has revealed that under maximum load, extremely high temperatures are reached . While this glaring weakness in the desktop user can still easily conceal, the options are limited for micro PC quickly, like a visit to Gigabyte Computex show.

At an event the day before Computex 2013 on the 36th Floor of Taipei 101 were members of the press not only enjoy the beautiful view of the city, but also examine gigabytes of new products. In addition to countless Haswell motherboards also a micro-PC was issued, in which the latest technology was installed. When trying to take a closer look at the computer, we inevitably came into contact with the model and have reflexively directly let it fall again, so hot was the device. The product manager confirmed thermal problems with the model, but did not want to get carried away with the statement that these are also partly due to the partner Intel.

http://www.computerbase.de/news/2013-06/gigabytes-micro-pc-mit-intels-haswell-cpu-glueht/

 

[T_Yamamoto]

i like how one troll has made 3 of the 4 comments to that post

Well look at his comments, he is clearly stupid

But then Again I have an ancient Intel Sandy Bridge System that is old and slow as heck so if I was in your position I might recommend the same thing. I have An AMD radeon 5570 that doesn't perform anywhere where it should and thus makes MY PC suck!!! I new to buy a new PC ASAP!!!! No really any good suggestion to start me in the right direction?

lol

No i am not an IDIOT just a troll and I like to spice things up. This an AMD fanboi website and I don't like AMD so everyone bashes on me and its lots of fun. Something I noticed about AMD fanbois they don't look into reality they only hope they Think AMD Kaveri is good when it will only have a 30% CPU and 30% GPU improvement. NOT good ENOUGH AMD.

I don't think xbit is a amd fanboy site to be honest.

 

[galego]

Computerbase reviewer indicates Intel Haswell has heat problems:

Our test of the new " Haswell "processors has revealed that under maximum load, extremely high temperatures are reached . While this glaring weakness in the desktop user can still easily conceal, the options are limited for micro PC quickly, like a visit to Gigabyte Computex show.

At an event the day before Computex 2013 on the 36th Floor of Taipei 101 were members of the press not only enjoy the beautiful view of the city, but also examine gigabytes of new products. In addition to countless Haswell motherboards also a micro-PC was issued, in which the latest technology was installed. When trying to take a closer look at the computer, we inevitably came into contact with the model and have reflexively directly let it fall again, so hot was the device. The product manager confirmed thermal problems with the model, but did not want to get carried away with the statement that these are also partly due to the partner Intel.

http://www.computerbase.de/news/2013-06/gigabytes-micro-pc-mit-intels-haswell-cpu-glueht/

And that space-heater model is not using the power hungry GT3e/Crystallwell. Right?