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PCResources

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Wingznut:

Actually, IBM admitted that the DTLA series had problems with some IDE controllers (other drives has no problems with these controllers), including, but not limited to the KT133A IDE controller, other controllers include the Promise, Hi-point and some other controllers, i will try to get a full list...



<< Incidentally both the HD and the mobo were recommendations from people on this board >>



I know that many people here have advocated the DTLA series, i am not one of them, actually, every time i stated anything bad about those drives, people flamed me... I did recommend the motherboard though, i still do...

Patrick Palm

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KarsinTheHutt

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What the fvck - ever stop to think that the OS or any of the other components could be the problem?

I hate when people say that this chipset or that proc is unstable. Sound like a bunch of ZDNet morons.
 

SACANDAGA

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Here is a clip about the IBM problems...IBM DTLA drive weakness revealed
by: steven@axiontech.com
&quot;Weakness Exposed at CeBIT Weakness Exposed at CeBIT&quot;

&quot;Incompatibility issues may have prompted IBM to put a stop to the production of some hard drives in its DTLA series. An IBM representative confirmed at CeBIT that the company is aware of the problems many users have with using the hard drives. However, the representative asserts that it is an issue with the controllers and not the hard drives themselves.

&quot;(The representative) told me that the disks are fine and they work flawlessly in computers from IBM,&quot; says one CeBIT visitor, &quot;I had two 45GB drives myself, one failed and a second makes strange noises. Then I have got a 30GB which develops bad sectors (advice by IBM: Make a low-level format, this is nothing to worry about). I know about three other people with defective 45gig drives and there are many posts in the storage review <http://www.storagereview.com> forum.&quot;

The controllers which may have difficulties include the Intel BX PCH, the AMD-750 southbridge, the KT133A southbridge (VT82C686B, note that many &quot;AMD 760 chipset&quot; boards actually use this southbridge instead of the AMD 765), and the Highpoint HP370 (the RAID controller found on the popular Abit KT7-RAID and KT7A-RAID). It is probably best to get a Maxtor DiamondMax instead when using one of those controllers.&quot;

Steven Liu
steven@axiontech.com <mailto:steven@axiontech.com>
 

cavemanmoron

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hmmm problems///f n GREMLINS !!! WITH THE AWESOMe KONG ibm/???'
I have an IBM hdd in my 1 system and have had odd gremlins like the plextor freezes hmm interesting thought can someone email me the info on that?/ cavemanmoron@aol.com please
 

Modus

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fkloster,

<< &quot;...and modern KT133a motherboards display stability that puts old Intel BX warhorses to shame&quot; - Modus, I would like to see this statement backed up. >>

Sure, just check Anand's KT133 motherboard roundup, or any of his recent KT133a reviews. The VIA boards were refusing to crash after 72 hours of constant, prolonged torture testing. Anand was so disgusted with their incredible stability he had to abandon his current stability tests and look for something new. No Intel board, BX or i8xx, ever came close to that.

Shiva112,

<< Maybe I'm being too picky here, but I lose faith in a company if their product requires an RMA. >>

Yes, you are. RMA rates from even the best companies are around 1 or 2%. That means that out of every hundred boards they sell, chances are two will fail or demonstrate abnormal instability. You just caught a bad board. Look around this forum. You're obviously in the minority. It's just that the people with good boards don't bother posting until some one like you comes along and makes a blanket, wrong-headed statement.

<< I have the old fashioned view that if you plug something in and follow the steps they tell you to follow, it should work without hassles. >>

So do I. So does VIA. Follow their recommended steps and, just like with Intel, everything will be OK, barring the defective hardware that plagues every company.

<< Honestly, the amount of bashing I see from those with Elite and Golden member status makes me wonder about the social quality of the people who post on here. Please don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. I don't start blaming companies before I've tried EVERYTHING. >>

You didn't ask for help, you just wandered in and started bad mouthing a company based on an out-of-context quote and your own rare situation. But in case you'd like some suggestions, here is the procedure to track down instability on any PC, Intel or AMD:

1) Ensure your heatsink and fan are properly mounted, making firm, flush contact with the CPU core. Remove any wrapping paper or tape from underneath the heatsink. Apply a very thin layer of thermal compound.

2) Update to the latest non-beat BIOS for your motherboard.

3) Format the hard drive and install Windows fresh. This eliminates the variable of conflicting software or virus infection.

4) Install the necessary OS support patches from your chipset manufacturer. For Intel, this is the latest Ultra ATA Storage Driver, and the latest Intel INF Update. For VIA, this is just the latest 4-in-1 from the official company site at www.via.com.tw.

5) Go to www.windowsupdate.com and get all the latest patches, security fixes, DirectX updates, and whatever else you want.

6) Download and install the latest non-beta drivers for your peripherals (video, sound, modem, etc.) Only use drivers from the chipset manufacturer's offical web site, not stuff posted on fan sites.

7) If instability persists, begin swapping hardware to locate the deffective part. Start with the easy stuff like RAM, power supply, CPU, video card, and move your way up to tougher stuff like the motherboard. Tell each supplier that you have exchanged all the other parts to no avail. This is technically a lie, but it's the only way you'll be able to get an RMA with some companies.

Remember, a computer is no more than the sum of its parts. Find the bad part, and you've fixed the machine.

Modus
 

Duvie

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How interesting IBM blames the controllers, when the list about names every damn controller....nevermind it is as much as their responsibility to make sure they comply to controllers...it isn't like it is just one chipset that screwed it up...


Its likes firestone blaming car manufacturers for not sensing that it had defected firestones on and limit the speed so they wouldn't heat up and fail.


also had a friend they told low level reformat (must be their normal corporate spew)...didn't work...took it to a tech just to be sure...didn't work. Rma'd got a new one, that one died a year later...now its not the model we are talking about here though...it was like an 8 gig or something.

I like maxtors...I don't generalize and say all ibms are crap, cause I would take one if you gave it to me!!!
 

Maverick

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Modus:

First of all, I have asked for help and many have provided. Secondly, I didn't come in here bashing a piece of hardware because of MY rare and unique situation. I misread an article posted on this site and misquoted. I admit that was a mistake. Thirdly, I said I lose faith in a company who needs an RMA, I don't stop buying from them, but I go in expecting something to go wrong. Fourthly, I think I'm entitled to my own opinions and I don't need someone else arrogantly chastizing me for my views.

Here is some advice for you, work on your communication skills.
 

nortexoid

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&quot;blah, i said this&quot;, &quot;blah, bash so and so, and such and such&quot;...&quot;blah&quot;

arguments on forums are....laughable

anyway, admittedly, the kt133(a) chipset doesn't have the greatest memory performance compared to 133mhz mem/fsb intel chipsets...

the 761 is the solution.

regardless, i doubt many people buying integrated mobos even care that their memory controller is slightly slower than a comparable low-budget intel chipset solution...they've no idea...
 

Instigator

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Shiva112,
I have another suggestion or possible solution to your problem. I built an Athlon 1.2ghz system for a friend a few weeks back. The motherboard was the MSI K7T Pro2a. I kept having problems with DMA also when using the Via Busmaster drivers. Here is something you might want to try:

1) Do a fresh install of Windows (I used Win ME)
2) Use the Windows IDE Busmaster drivers and not the Via Busmaster drivers
3) Install the other 3 (Via AGP Driver, IRQ Routing Drivers, and Via INF Driver)

By not installing the Via Busmaster drivers all my problems with DMA stopped. It might solve your problem. Hope this helps.
 

Maverick

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Thanks for the suggestion. I'd like to reinstall but I'm gonna wait till Windows XP is widely available, or till I get a new motherboard + proc + memory...whichever comes first. I don't have the time to go through a whole reinstallation.
 

PCResources

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<< I'm gonna wait till Windows XP is widely available >>



Maybe you should get some HW that you are sure will work with XP from the start, becuase if you need to reinstall, then you need to call microsoft to get their approval... Isn't XP great...

Patrick Palm

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LuciferHaze

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If you stick to the ASUS A7V or the ABIT-KT7A you'll be problem-free (mostly). Remember, AMD has onlt been making GOOD CPU's for a coupla years now, so all the chipset makers and motherboard manufacturers are still few and far between.

But, now that AMD is the best you'll see much better (and more) chipsets and motherboards.