AMD CPU And GPU Roadmaps For 2015-2020 Officially Emerge

[monstercameron]

Funny to expect AMD to launch future HPC products with their paltry R&D budget in the future when they are barely competitive today with Nvidia. Maxwell eats GCN for breakfast in terms of performance/watt.

perf/watt in graphics workloads maybe but what about compute -let alone DP compute.

 

[Sweepr]

Well, that's what the article is saying. Do you have some better source of inside info, and in that case what? Or are you just trying to destroy the thread as usual when AMD is being discussed?

Funny cause nobody complains about your doom predictions every single time a new Intel node (or desktop chip) is being discussed. Please learn how to deal with different oppinions.

 

[Shehriazad]

The crazy part about this is that the future APUs are supposed to have 200-300W TDP.

By todays standards we would be looking at an AMD 6-8 Core CPU + medium segment GPU + on-die HBM.

If the thing really hits 300W TDP... assumungthat's pretty much the tdp of the entire system +- some for SSD/HDD... But wouldn't that make water cooling for APUs kind of mandatory?

Unless of course the new chip design is actually way diffently sized and they make some 4cm x 8cm long chips to throw on your boards to allow for new air cooling methods that people can install themselves. (Like some "double" coolers that take care of 50% of the chip each???)

 

[Fjodor2001]

Sorry, I didn't know that point out two simple facts are equivalent to destroy the thread. What should I say to keep the tread and your dreams intact? AMD is great and the BoD really knows what they are doing?

The only fact that was correct is that AMD has a lower R&D budget than Intel which is hardly any news, the rest was just trolling. Nvidia for example is irrelevant in this case, since they don't have any x86 license and thus can't compete in the x86 APU market segment.

But why don't you answer question instead? What inside info do you have that is more credible than the article and AMD's own info?

Also, what is so unrealistic about the APU I described? 14 nm comes from external partner (Samsung/TSMC/GF), HBM also from external partner, GPU cores will already have been developed by AMD for their discrete GFX cards. What's left is the Zen CPU cores. But AMD has already had them in their R&D pipeline for several years, and they are to be completed in 2016.

 

[Fjodor2001]

The crazy part about this is that the future APUs are supposed to have 200-300W TDP.

By todays standards we would be looking at an AMD 6-8 Core CPU + medium segment GPU + on-die HBM.

If the thing really hits 300W TDP... assumungthat's pretty much the tdp of the entire system +- some for SSD/HDD... But wouldn't that make water cooling for APUs kind of mandatory?

Unless of course the new chip design is actually way diffently sized and they make some 4cm x 8cm long chips to throw on your boards to allow for new air cooling methods that people can install themselves. (Like some "double" coolers that take care of 50% of the chip each???)

I think the intention is to use it for professional HPC, or as a substitute for highend CPU + discrete GFX card, targetting gamers and alike. If done correctly, it can provide more bang for the buck than using discrete components.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Funny cause nobody complains about your doom predictions every single time a new Intel node (or desktop chip) is being discussed. Please learn how to deal with different oppinions.

I'm not complaining about the doom predictions as such, but rather the lack of technical explanations and justifications behind it. It was clearly meant as a provocation to start an argument, nothing else.

 

[cytg111]

Currently speaking at the annual gathering..

 

[Abwx]

Funny to expect AMD to launch future HPC products with their paltry R&D budget in the future when they are barely competitive today with Nvidia. Maxwell eats GCN for breakfast in terms of performance/watt.

Yet another statement made out of clulessness, Firepros destroy Nvidia cards in double precision performance and perf/Watt, Maxwell has no DP capability at all, or about nothing, i guess that Nvidia is giving up the HPC segment given their poor competitivness in this matter.

 

[mrmt]

perf/watt in graphics workloads maybe but what about compute -let alone DP compute.

Kepler K80 beats AMD cards in compute.

But why don't you answer question instead? What inside info do you have that is more credible than the article and AMD's own info?

None besides AMD financials, but that doesn't make WCCF information any more credible.

 

[mrmt]

Currently speaking at the annual gathering..

You could actually add an Nvidia line on these graphics too, as that company is eating AMD's bacon on the GPU market. Another suggestion would be to add a VIA line on these graphics, it will make AMD numbers look bigger and better in comparison.

 

[Boze]

At least AMD are publishing their plans officially. That's far better than what Intel has been doing the last few years...

That's because Intel doesn't have to publish their plans. They actually execute them.

Sandy Bridge - 2011
Ivy Bridge - 2012
Haswell - 2013
Broadwell- 2015
Skylake - 2015/6

I don't have to ask when the next Intel updates are coming. I already know they're coming. All I have to do is sit back and wait.

AMD has plans for the next 10 years? Yeah? What are they? Merge with ARM? Because that's the only way I see them existing. They're going to have to team up with someone who has the financial might to battle Intel, because right now its Brandon Burke vs. Phil Williams.

From 1998 until 2014, I stuck with AMD... even when better Intel processors were available. I switched to a Core i7-5930K-based system, and I will never go back to AMD.

They are, quite simply, pathetic. To have the same exact CPU architecture for almost five years is just unthinkable in today's desktop CPU market. Other than power efficiency, no real advances have been made in the FX chip line up.

The only plans AMD should have are trying to find a buyer, or closing up shop. 16 years is a lot of disappointment and frankly they're getting everything they deserve - especially when they're laying off engineering personnel, when its management that clearly needs to be fired.

 

[Abwx]

You could actually add an Nvidia line on these graphics too, as that company is eating AMD's bacon on the GPU market.

Thanks to deliberate lies on their products specs, other than that what was the evolution in the pro GFX market last year, you know the one where Nvidia make its bread and butter.?..

Sandy Bridge - 2011
Ivy Bridge - 2012
Haswell - 2013
Broadwell- 2015
Skylake - 2015/6

They are, quite simply, pathetic. To have the same exact CPU architecture for almost five years is just unthinkable in today's desktop CPU market. Other than power efficiency, no real advances have been made in the FX chip line up.

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All the CPUs listed above have the same uarch, integer IPC wise there s less than 10-15% from SB to BDW...

Why is it not pathetic in this case.??

 

[Abwx]

frankly they're getting everything they deserve - especially when they're laying off engineering personnel, when its management that clearly needs to be fired.

Frankly.?. you mean that Intel bribing customers was deserved.?.
Because it happended in the last 16 years you re quoting.

You call that being frank.? Perhaps according to Intel standards..

 

[tential]

With the amount of optimism in the thread from the normal users, I hope you guys are picking up some AMD stock.

 

[Boze]

I'll believe it when I see it. I have every belief that Zen is going to be just as big a disappoint as Zambezi was.

 

[Gikaseixas]

If AMD is really that bad and irrelevant, why post in threads related to AMD stuff? This happens mostly when the subject is somewhat postive for AMD. The brigade joins in to make sure they spoil the thread.
It's always done by the same people, same doom talk, same negativity, etc

In the end, the fact that AMD might be doing well or has a decent plan bothers a lot of individuals here hahahaha, i get a laugh out of some posts.

OP thanks for sharing. Even thou R&D is very low, i think that the company can still deliver a few decent products. Here's hope that they fortunes see a turnaround, as we "all" need competition.

 

[erunion]

The lack of even a simple code name is alarming. Who ever made the slide could have simply invented a couple, which would have made the slide many times better(if the point of the slides is to instill confidence in AMD).

Of course, AMD wouldn't actually have had to invent names. The projects in development all have internal code names. So what not use them?
Like I was saying, doesn't inspire confidence. "We have new stuff coming, we just aren't sure what yet."

Edit: Its interesting that the slides don't even name Carrizo, even though its already announced and its release is imminent(or so they say). Its as if they purposely didn't name it, so as to not make the other blanks stand out even more.


AMD has used blanks in their slides before.

Of course, Trinity ended up being followed by Richland, which never existed on any roadmap(Kaveri did).

 

[AtenRa]

That's because Intel doesn't have to publish their plans. They actually execute them.

Sandy Bridge - 2011
Ivy Bridge - 2012
Haswell - 2013
Broadwell- 2015
Skylake - 2015/6

2011 Bulldozer
2012 PileDriver
2013 Richland
2014 Kaveri
2015 Carrizo

I don't have to ask when the next Intel updates are coming. I already know they're coming. All I have to do is sit back and wait.

You dont have to ask when the next AMD updates are coming. We already know they are coming. All you have to do is sit back and wait.

 

[Fjodor2001]

That's because Intel doesn't have to publish their plans. They actually execute them.

Sandy Bridge - 2011
Ivy Bridge - 2012
Haswell - 2013
Broadwell- 2015
Skylake - 2015/6

That's not a plan, it's just a list of released products. The reason Intel no longer publish their plans is likely to avoid similar embarrassment as for the repeated 14 nm and Broadwell delays.

If management no longer provide any details about future products and when they will be released, they cannot be held accountable when they do not deliver according to promise either, which is great for them.

 

[NTMBK]

Unless of course the new chip design is actually way diffently sized and they make some 4cm x 8cm long chips to throw on your boards to allow for new air cooling methods that people can install themselves. (Like some "double" coolers that take care of 50% of the chip each???)

I still think BTX motherboard would work much better for APUs. They specify where the CPU cooler mounts have to go and how they have to integrate with the case, so you can put some serious high-throughput air cooling on there.

 

[Boze]

2011 Bulldozer
2012 PileDriver
2013 Richland
2014 Kaveri
2015 Carrizo



You dont have to ask when the next AMD updates are coming. We already know they are coming. All you have to do is sit back and wait.

And the performance is trash on all those compared to my i7-5930K.

AMD literally has no product capable of competing with my processor.

My last AMD processor was an FX-6300, overclocked on air on 4.1 gHz. Not bad given the limitations of a 32nm processor. But AMD has missed the mark over and over and over and over yet again.

I got tired of waiting and hoping for an enthusiast-level processor. When the FX-9000 series were released, I was initially excited. I thought maybe I wouldn't have to switch over to Intel after all. Then performance numbers came out, along with TDP. 220 watts to still be destroyed by Ivy Bridge-E? Not to mention Haswell-E.

No thanks.

Its not that people hate AMD. You got it all wrong. AMD is that ex-girlfriend you started out loving and feeling like she was a really good match for you... then slowly over time, things got worse and worse until you can't even stand to be around her, so you take a chance and move on and realize how much better things can be.

 

[cytg111]

Its not that people hate AMD. You got it all wrong. AMD is that ex-girlfriend you started out loving and feeling like she was a really good match for you... then slowly over time, things got worse and worse until you can't even stand to be around her, so you take a chance and move on and realize how much better things can be.

- I have this stock you should buy, I bet you'll feel really good about it, all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[Qwertilot]

Getting cases/motherboards etc designed for high power (but still 'normal' users, so say 150-200W total power) APUs does slightly worry me.

Maybe it'll be fine, but AMD don't have enormous leverage nowadays and Intel don't seem interested in really scaling their iGPU out to huge levels. If there aren't any cases which really leverage the potential advantages - and there's a definite shortage now - then it'll be a problem.

 

[NTMBK]

Getting cases/motherboards etc designed for high power (but still 'normal' users, so say 150-200W total power) APUs does slightly worry me.

Maybe it'll be fine, but AMD don't have enormous leverage nowadays and Intel don't seem interested in really scaling their iGPU out to huge levels. If there aren't any cases which really leverage the potential advantages - and there's a definite shortage now - then it'll be a problem.

Well Intel is planning to put their gargantuan Knight's Landing chip into a socket, so they'll need some way of keeping that thing cool... Not sure if they'll bring out a new motherboard standard, or just rely on custom server/workstation boards.

 

[Enigmoid]

2011 Bulldozer
2012 PileDriver
2013 Richland
2014 Kaveri
2015 Carrizo

You dont have to ask when the next AMD updates are coming. We already know they are coming. All you have to do is sit back and wait.

Richland doesn't count. Its a re-spin of trinity using piledriver. Pretty much the same die.